DoYouFeelLucky Posted April 24, 2023 at 02:23 AM Share Posted April 24, 2023 at 02:23 AM As much as I don't like bump stocks, someone needs to consult a mechanical engineer. I have a friend with several and they require the trigger to be pressed for every shot, they just facilitate the reset and trigger pull. Maybe there is another kind of bump stock I am not familiar with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 24, 2023 at 05:24 AM Share Posted April 24, 2023 at 05:24 AM On 4/23/2023 at 9:23 PM, DoYouFeelLucky said: As much as I don't like bump stocks, someone needs to consult a mechanical engineer. I have a friend with several and they require the trigger to be pressed for every shot, they just facilitate the reset and trigger pull. Maybe there is another kind of bump stock I am not familiar with? Nope you are correct, but the ATF and government don't care about facts, they have an agenda and will lie through their teeth hoping to bluff a gun/mechanical dumb judge into believing their lies. Personally I believe it should be a moot arguement as full auto should not be illegal or taxed to start with and I would love a white glove smack from the court bringing that it's light, especially since the governments Petition for Certiorari is still arguing interest bearing as a justification 'ban' full auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted April 26, 2023 at 02:32 AM Share Posted April 26, 2023 at 02:32 AM The 6th Circuit seems to be calling out the government on flip flopping on bump stocks: https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/23a0086p-06.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:03 AM Share Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:03 AM On 4/25/2023 at 9:32 PM, Yeti said: The 6th Circuit seems to be calling out the government on flip flopping on bump stocks: https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/23a0086p-06.pdf Interesting ruling as they basically avoided the finer details of the bump stock itself and simply ruled that "the definition of a machinegun is ambiguous" and thus they must rule in favor of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:26 AM Share Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:26 AM On 4/25/2023 at 10:03 PM, Flynn said: Interesting ruling as they basically avoided the finer details of the bump stock itself and simply ruled that "the definition of a machinegun is ambiguous" and thus they must rule in favor of the people. Yes, and there was a strong point from one judge again stating that Congress can try (but hopefully unsuccessfully with Bruen long term!) to ban things clearly through unambiguous legislation but the ATF can’t continue to interpret vague things into felony charges. Feels like a positive step forward that can be leveraged with pistol braces, SBR regulatory nonsense, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:34 AM Share Posted April 26, 2023 at 03:34 AM On 4/25/2023 at 10:32 PM, Yeti said: The 6th Circuit seems to be calling out the government on flip flopping on bump stocks: https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/23a0086p-06.pdf For reference, that case is Hardin v ATF (docket) in the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals from the Federal District Court of Western Kentucky (docket). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 26, 2023 at 04:08 AM Share Posted April 26, 2023 at 04:08 AM On 4/25/2023 at 10:26 PM, Yeti said: Yes, and there was a strong point from one judge again stating that Congress can try (but hopefully unsuccessfully with Bruen long term!) to ban things clearly through unambiguous legislation but the ATF can’t continue to interpret vague things into felony charges. Feels like a positive step forward that can be leveraged with pistol braces, SBR regulatory nonsense, etc. Yeah, as for presedent in this circuit, this ambiguity ruling should make a forced reset trigger lawsuit simple to win as well if it stands, it also opens up a new avenue for possibly quicker relief in other circuits, instead of arguing a 2nd violation right now, one might instead argue ambiguity for possibly quicker relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted November 3, 2023 at 07:10 PM Share Posted November 3, 2023 at 07:10 PM https://www.theepochtimes.com/us/us-supreme-court-agrees-to-take-up-ban-on-gun-bump-stocks-5522628?src_src=News&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2023-11-03-1&est=Zx%2ByPGwYDudGTXBi5Is3EcZwPLVKt%2BehWXtK3caouPXDMSjReZXtvSuI0EM%3D US Supreme Court Agrees to Take up Ban on Gun 'Bump Stocks' The U.S. Supreme Court agreed to take up a case involving the Trump-era ban on "bump stocks" that was initiated in the wake of the Las Vegas mass shooting. The justices agreed to hear arguments early next year over the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) rule, which was implemented in 2017. The case pertains to whether the Department of Justice, which oversees the ATF, followed federal law in changing the regulation around bump stocks, which are able to increase the rate of fire in some semiautomatic weapons. . . A decision on the case is expected to be rendered by the top court in the early summer. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Q Public Posted November 3, 2023 at 07:38 PM Share Posted November 3, 2023 at 07:38 PM (edited) Sure wish they would have picked up one that made this moot! ~Sigh~ Edited November 3, 2023 at 08:14 PM by John Q Public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted November 4, 2023 at 03:56 AM Share Posted November 4, 2023 at 03:56 AM On 11/3/2023 at 2:38 PM, John Q Public said: Sure wish they would have picked up one that made this moot! ~Sigh~ This could be good or bad for us if they rule on 2nd grounds, but I suspect they will rule on administrative policy not 2nd grounds so what is going to probably happen is the ATF is going to get told once and for all they are not legislators and thus they can't author and enforce their rules as laws... This would be pretty much in line with the way this court has been ruling on administrative authority in other cases... And that could send ripples through the entire country as many states like Illinois also do the same thing by giving legislative power to administrative agencies, something the court is already frowning up... But, who knows, maybe the SCOTUS will have had enough of these lower courts not figuring it out and use this case to put much of the NFA itself on the cutting block... If they go that route it will be interesting as I don't believe there is anything in the Heller/Bruen test that will allow for the current ban and restrictions on full auto itself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euler Posted January 10, 2024 at 09:50 AM Share Posted January 10, 2024 at 09:50 AM On January 5, the Supreme Court scheduled oral arguments for February 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxon Shooters Posted January 27, 2024 at 01:57 AM Share Posted January 27, 2024 at 01:57 AM The FFL-IL, GSL, et al group filed this amicus brief today https://www.maxonshooters.com/hubfs/22-976 Amicus Brief.pdf great stuff. Dan E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted January 27, 2024 at 04:19 PM Share Posted January 27, 2024 at 04:19 PM On 1/26/2024 at 7:57 PM, Maxon Shooters said: great stuff. Dan E Yes, it is! Thanks Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted February 28, 2024 at 10:59 PM Share Posted February 28, 2024 at 10:59 PM Link to oral arguments heard today: https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2023/22-976 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeper13 Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:18 AM Share Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:18 AM How much more does our side have to explain to Judge Jackson about bump stocks. Plus when he tries to answer ,she doesn't want to hear the answer. These judges need to go and fire a bump stock and machine gun. Maybe they will get it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumak_from_arfcom Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:34 AM Share Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:34 AM On 2/28/2024 at 7:18 PM, Sweeper13 said: How much more does our side have to explain to Judge Jackson about bump stocks. Plus when he tries to answer ,she doesn't want to hear the answer. These judges need to go and fire a bump stock and machine gun. Maybe they will get it then. I think the SCOTUS will rule against the ATF on regulatory power, but not on any 2A issue. ACB was asking why Congress didn't address it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly B. Posted February 29, 2024 at 02:55 AM Share Posted February 29, 2024 at 02:55 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tvandermyde Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:54 PM Share Posted February 29, 2024 at 01:54 PM He should have said, I'll explain function of the trigger, when you define a woman. . . Amy is coming home today so I will be busy but will try to get a video out. But I should have argued it I would have done better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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