OPEN CARRY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY IN CHICAGO?

[quackersmacker]

The Bill of Rights was written to give power to the people and surely was a constraint on the government to not infringe on our Rights..Free speech being one of them.

I generally agree with Warface on the 1A issue. What really does mystify me is why in the heck we can't use the word heck. Btw, I didn't just say "heck" twice.

[TomKoz]

I'm IN

[mauserme]

I generally agree with Warface on the 1A issue. What really does mystify me is why in the heck we can't use the word heck. Btw, I didn't just say "heck" twice.

Somewhere in the forum software there's a filter that was set up when the forum was established. It's automatic so, when it changes your "H" word or Warface's "F" word, that isn't being done by any of the moderators.

 

I believe the "H" change was meant to be humorous.

[wtr100]

 

Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.

They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target.

 

 

+1

I would not advertise the fact that I'm carrying, you're opening yourself up to all sorts of unwanted attention.

Not that big of a deal to cover it up.

 

 

 

he doesn't get the attention he craves by concealing that's all

[spanishjames]

he doesn't get the attention he craves by concealing that's all

+1

[Glock23]

 

You're not forced to be here at all. It's all voluntary.

Never said I was forced to be here but this site tends to attract people that place a high value on their Constitutional Rights. The 1st Amendment has taken a bigger beating than the 2nd so I just stupidly assumed that all of our Rights were equally important.

 

 

Not trying to be confrontational, just pointing out a perspective that I would think you can agree with. Basically, this is not your house. This is Molly's house, so it is Molly's rules. If you were for whatever reason invited to dinner with a group of priests, nuns, children, etc.... would you still use your everyday vocabulary? If so, the issue isn't about your freedom of speech, it'd be about your lack of respect for others. For the record, I was a Sailor, and I curse like one, too... but I pay attention to current company, regardless of where I'm at, and tailor my vocabulary accordingly.

 

 

he doesn't get the attention he craves by concealing that's all

 

 

Speaking of lack of respect for others... that argument gets more and more tired each and every time I see/hear it, particularly when coming from an instructor.

[tkroenlein]

I think those that promote concealed carry only must lack the self assuredness to openly carry a firearm, afraid to draw even a passing glance from a stranger due to the lack of self esteem.

 

 

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[Quiet Observer]

I think those that promote concealed carry only must lack the self assuredness to openly carry a firearm, afraid to draw even a passing glance from a stranger due to the lack of self esteem.

 

 

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I see no reason to ascribe negative personality characteristics to either OC or CC proponents. You are using similar labelling that the antis put on both CCers and OCers - "You need a gun to feel like a man. You are paranoiac. etc".

I have extremists OC and CC for both sides on other sights personally attack the other.

I think OC should be recognized as legal by the state. The decision is up to the carrier. It could depend on several factors which may vary from time to time.

[kwc]

I think those that promote concealed carry only must lack the self assuredness to openly carry a firearm, afraid to draw even a passing glance from a stranger due to the lack of self esteem.

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Too funny.

 

(I caught the attempt at humor.)

[borgranta]

Open carry on your own property is perfectly legal (assuming you have a valid FOID), but you may want to consider conceal carry as a preferable option. The choice is yours, but option #2 comes with a lot less headaches...

If the OP choses open carry he may be wise to also invest in body armor. If the OP chooses concealed he may be wise to invest in armor but of the concealable variety so as to not out himself as tactical but still be protected from handgun rounds that he would most likely be shot with while sitting on the porch.

[borgranta]

 

 

Another plus, when gangbangers drive by, they'll eventually see you open carrying.

They'll want your handgun, maybe have the paperwork filled out in advance, you will be their target.

 

+1

I would not advertise the fact that I'm carrying, you're opening yourself up to all sorts of unwanted attention.

Not that big of a deal to cover it up.

 

he doesn't get the attention he craves by concealing that's all

If true than I recommend the OP invest in a heavy duty armor plate system that can withstand all handgun rounds and most rifle rounds such as ar 500 or better.

[borgranta]

 

Had the opportunity to sit in on a round table style discussion Friday and this very subject was brought up.Seems that the owner is still in charge unless specifically spelled out in a rent/lease agreement.Further, if something were to happen, the insurer wouldn't have to payout if there was no direct line of such an agreement in place.All but 1, out of 7 were in agreement on the property "Owner" needing to hand over this permission.That being said, we were talking about business type situations, atf, il law, and insurance/lawyer responses.Renting is NOT owning, it's a contract with the "Owner" and a tennent.Most times when we talk about these issues, we assume that people have purchased the property and therefore have ownership!Open carrying in this situation listed by the OP, would be best not done,many the "Owner" of the property should be contacted.It's very easy to add into a rent/lease agreement the authorizing of firearms on the premises, yes?But again, we talked about a business establishment and the renter being able to secure insurance if the "Owner" didn't sign off!Just another 0.02

You shouldn't continue to take insurance advice from the people who told you those things.

A contract that violates the rights of a tennant is an illegal contract the owner could write no blacks in the contract and it would be just as illegal as putting no guns in the contract since both conditions of renting would violate rights.

[borgranta]

If it were up to me, you would be able to open carry not only on your porch, but going to the store or walking down the street. Those that keep spewing "you will be the first one shot" or "never give up the advantage of concealment" really are not authoritative on the subject and are just regurgitating the "concealed only" mantra that they all must keep a list of next to their computers. If it's legal, go for it. Bear arms. Try it separate fact from agenda on the internet.

If open carry was as dangerous as some claim than why are we not seeing hundreds of thousands of police being gunned down on the mean streets? If open carry was as dangerous as claimed why is the fraternal order of police not demanding concealed carry while on duty.

[borgranta]

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzw-HKuuQbg

 

 

Here's what happens when you get complacent. This guy wasn't even open carrying and got pole-axed. Imagine how easy it would have been for the bad guy if the victim would have been open carrying. Even if you open carry in a retention holster, a brazen thug will size you up and when he decides he can whip you, you will lose your gun, one way or another. The bad guy in this video must have been feeling good that day to want to wrestle with the victim. Much easier if he would have just walked up and knocked the guy out and taken it without a struggle. The average open carrier wouldn't have a chance against a wise street rat and I doubt any others would either.

 

Then don't open carry. You, and I should be the ones to judge when it's appropriate, not the State of Illinois, and not "concealed carry" instructors that have a personal agenda. You. Yourself should be able to decide when you wish to open carry or conceal carry. Joining the anti's to keep open carry illegal does what exactly to further 2A rights?

It seems hilarious that the video of the gun being stolen from the concealed carrier is being used to claim that open carriers will have their guns stolen. The video proves that concealed carriers can have their guns stolen easily. The only for someone to be safe from having their gun stolen is to not own a gun.

[borgranta]

 

I generally agree with Warface on the 1A issue. What really does mystify me is why in the heck we can't use the word heck. Btw, I didn't just say "heck" twice.

Somewhere in the forum software there's a filter that was set up when the forum was established. It's automatic so, when it changes your "H" word or Warface's "F" word, that isn't being done by any of the moderators.I believe the "H" change was meant to be humorous.

The forum software would have the unfortunate side effect of altering scriptures from the bible.

[WARFACE]

 

If it were up to me, you would be able to open carry not only on your porch, but going to the store or walking down the street. Those that keep spewing "you will be the first one shot" or "never give up the advantage of concealment" really are not authoritative on the subject and are just regurgitating the "concealed only" mantra that they all must keep a list of next to their computers. If it's legal, go for it. Bear arms. Try it separate fact from agenda on the internet.

If open carry was as dangerous as some claim than why are we not seeing hundreds of thousands of police being gunned down on the mean streets? If open carry was as dangerous as claimed why is the fraternal order of police not demanding concealed carry while on duty.

 

Because I doubt there are "hundreds of thousands" of people crazy enough to attack police officers in a mostly polite society.

[WARFACE]

 

 

 

 

Here's what happens when you get complacent. This guy wasn't even open carrying and got pole-axed. Imagine how easy it would have been for the bad guy if the victim would have been open carrying. Even if you open carry in a retention holster, a brazen thug will size you up and when he decides he can whip you, you will lose your gun, one way or another. The bad guy in this video must have been feeling good that day to want to wrestle with the victim. Much easier if he would have just walked up and knocked the guy out and taken it without a struggle. The average open carrier wouldn't have a chance against a wise street rat and I doubt any others would either.

Then don't open carry. You, and I should be the ones to judge when it's appropriate, not the State of Illinois, and not "concealed carry" instructors that have a personal agenda. You. Yourself should be able to decide when you wish to open carry or conceal carry. Joining the anti's to keep open carry illegal does what exactly to further 2A rights?

It seems hilarious that the video of the gun being stolen from the concealed carrier is being used to claim that open carriers will have their guns stolen. The video proves that concealed carriers can have their guns stolen easily. The only for someone to be safe from having their gun stolen is to not own a gun.

 

The video shows that the victim had ZERO situational awareness and he wasn't "doing it right" by printing so badly.

[KENDLLB360]

I just wanna thank you guys for the info. I know everyone has their opinions but all I wanted to know is can i open carry on my porch. The extra stuff was you all soon imaginations and theories running wild. I just want to sit on my porch with my firearm in my apartment building. I could care less about the police or neighbors or gang members long as I know I'm legal. I know I could carry concealed too and mayb I will from time to time. There was no need for you guys to get so angry and personal about my question. If you think open carry will make me a target that's your opinion. All I asked was for the truth. Not opinions about what open carry can lead to. Those would be my consequences to deal with. I just needed to know I was within my rights. Now...do anyone know a good lawyer?

[Raw Power]

I just wanna thank you guys for the info. I know everyone has their opinions but all I wanted to know is can i open carry on my porch. The extra stuff was you all soon imaginations and theories running wild. I just want to sit on my porch with my firearm in my apartment building. I could care less about the police or neighbors or gang members long as I know I'm legal. I know I could carry concealed too and mayb I will from time to time. There was no need for you guys to get so angry and personal about my question. If you think open carry will make me a target that's your opinion. All I asked was for the truth. Not opinions about what open carry can lead to. Those would be my consequences to deal with. I just needed to know I was within my rights. Now...do anyone know a good lawyer?

 

You want to "know if you're legal", and have asked the same question multiple times, but ignored the answers. Then, in the very next sentence you claim you'll break the law if you feel like it?

 

I smell something, either a boat-load of bull**** on this poster, or a fishing expedition.

[BigJim]

If it's YOUR porch you can carry there.

 

I would definitely carry concealed if it's a bad neighborhood. Carrying open is advertising there is a gun in the apartment which screams "Rob Me" to the local bangers.

[InterestedBystander]

If it's YOUR porch you can carry there.

 

 

My understanding was porch as part of your apartment is one thing and porch as part of building common area shared by multiple apts could be another.

[ChiTown]

I smell a YouTube troll seeking a City lawsuit payout...

[mauserme]

I just wanna thank you guys for the info. I know everyone has their opinions but all I wanted to know is can i open carry on my porch. The extra stuff was you all soon imaginations and theories running wild. I just want to sit on my porch with my firearm in my apartment building. I could care less about the police or neighbors or gang members long as I know I'm legal. I know I could carry concealed too and mayb I will from time to time. There was no need for you guys to get so angry and personal about my question. If you think open carry will make me a target that's your opinion. All I asked was for the truth. Not opinions about what open carry can lead to. Those would be my consequences to deal with. I just needed to know I was within my rights. Now...do anyone know a good lawyer?

It would be easy to wonder why you've come back to resurrect this topic nearly 6 months after you started. But, since you have, it's a good opportunity to ask if you've developed a relationship with the detectives in your neighborhood. I suggested that in Post #4, and you've had plenty of time now to reach out to them.

[tkroenlein]

I just wanna thank you guys for the info. I know everyone has their opinions but all I wanted to know is can i open carry on my porch. The extra stuff was you all soon imaginations and theories running wild. I just want to sit on my porch with my firearm in my apartment building. I could care less about the police or neighbors or gang members long as I know I'm legal. I know I could carry concealed too and mayb I will from time to time. There was no need for you guys to get so angry and personal about my question. If you think open carry will make me a target that's your opinion. All I asked was for the truth. Not opinions about what open carry can lead to. Those would be my consequences to deal with. I just needed to know I was within my rights. Now...do anyone know a good lawyer?It would be easy to wonder why you've come back to resurrect this topic nearly 6 months after you started. But, since you have, it's a good opportunity to ask if you've developed a relationship with the detectives in your neighborhood. I suggested that in Post #4, and you've had plenty of time now to reach out to them.

Unless I've missed it, it could be that since the OP has yet to receive his permission slip, porch carry is the most pertinent aspect of his daily self defense regimen.

 

And before anyone asks, you may freely use the phrase "porch carry" as if it was your own.

[KENDLLB360]

Well I did speak to some of them. But it was not much that came from it for me. But I did open carry and have one stop and lie to me about it a few days ago. Telling me it was illegal. I knew it couldn't be right but I figured why not ask the smartest people I know..illinois carry. Didn't expect so much judgment everytime someone makes a post for help though. Id prefer they didn't even comment. But thankyoi to those who have been understanding and supportive and helpful. That's why I come back.

[KENDLLB360]

 

I just wanna thank you guys for the info. I know everyone has their opinions but all I wanted to know is can i open carry on my porch. The extra stuff was you all soon imaginations and theories running wild. I just want to sit on my porch with my firearm in my apartment building. I could care less about the police or neighbors or gang members long as I know I'm legal. I know I could carry concealed too and mayb I will from time to time. There was no need for you guys to get so angry and personal about my question. If you think open carry will make me a target that's your opinion. All I asked was for the truth. Not opinions about what open carry can lead to. Those would be my consequences to deal with. I just needed to know I was within my rights. Now...do anyone know a good lawyer?

 

You want to "know if you're legal", and have asked the same question multiple times, but ignored the answers. Then, in the very next sentence you claim you'll break the law if you feel like it?

 

I smell something, either a boat-load of bull**** on this poster, or a fishing expedition.

 

 

 

I smell a person who is confused and nosey. Whatever my reason for wanting to know the answer, does not concern you if I don't want to say why. And if you don't have the answer your comment is truly pointless. But since you made it, I'm making this pointless response back to you.

[mauserme]

Well I did speak to some of them. But it was not much that came from it for me. But I did open carry and have one stop and lie to me about it a few days ago. Telling me it was illegal. I knew it couldn't be right but I figured why not ask the smartest people I know..illinois carry. Didn't expect so much judgment everytime someone makes a post for help though. Id prefer they didn't even comment. But thankyoi to those who have been understanding and supportive and helpful. That's why I come back.

Seems like the fact that you weren't arrested is a pretty good answer.

 

Glad you're back, by the way. Hang around a while.

[KENDLLB360]

Yes it does pretty much answer. He tried making it seem as though he was merely giving me a break. But police rarely give breaks when they don't have too. But I did have one of the officers violate my constitutional rights which is why I ask if anyone knows a lawyer but I'm also doing my own Google searching.

[mauserme]

We have a Firearms Defense Attorneys thread that might be a good starting point. They're more oriented toward criminal law, but they might know someone who can help.

[Bo69]

I stopped at METRO FORD in Chicago looking for a part and the parts counter guy was openly carrying while selling parts. I was surprised they allowed him to carry open at FORD.