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Obama Executive Order May Require Those Selling Even a Single Firearm to Become Licensed Dealers

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kingjames Member

kingjames

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If I need to become a licensed dealer for selling a single firearm, I guess I'll choose a "Class 3" license.

 

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Article excerpt ("Free Beacon link"):

 

"The Obama administration announced during a conference call with reporters Monday evening that the president’s upcoming executive order may require somebody selling even a single firearm to obtain a Federal Firearms License.

 

During the call White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, White House Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett, and Attorney General Loretta Lynch explained the details of the order, which will be announced publicly by President Obama Tuesday at 11:40 a.m. The action, officials explained, would include guidance on how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives will now determine who is “engaged in the business” of selling firearms under federal law and, therefore, who is required to obtain a license to sell firearms.

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“Numbers are relevant. The ATF and DOJ did not identify a magic number of weapons that makes you engaged in the business because that would limit their ability to bring prosecution.”

 

Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said."

transplant Member

transplant

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

You give up a lot of your 4th amendment rights and privacy when you become a FFL.

DD123 Member

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I don't sell guns, pretty much ever so that won't be an issue for me, but what will be an issue is how they've stated that even buying two guns can be considered "in the business". I think most of us on here probably buy more than two every year and don't sell them.

 

The other issue I see is the whole "smart gun" technology investment. How about finding people that have been straw purchasers and throwing the book at them, and also convicting and locking up for a very long time, people that are committing crimes with firearms, people who are unable to posses them to begin with?

 

To me the whole thing just looks like a whole bunch of money being thrown into more bureaucracy, more increases in national debt, with little to show for it.

 

On a positive note, it seems like they may actually improve the speed with which background checks are completed since they're adding more resources to that lol.

DoverGunner Member

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This is not just the halfrican Boi King . it is the anti gunners PERIOD

They are as usual using this as a Ploy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are as you know trying to end run the 2nd .

They are desperately searching , looking , trying to find any Nook , Crook , crevice , Gap Crevice to get their fingers into .

If thy succeed the next thing will be there hands opening the door to decimate the 2nd .

This is nothing but an attempted end run around congress .

Guys write every single Republican and tell them if they do not fight this you will vote and campaign against them . Find an address on google and you too can live in every state so the will listen to you

 

Guys Shut the Halfrican Boi King down and cut him off at the knees

Whoops I forgot FBHO

POAT54 Member

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Cost $1500, to sell 2 guns? Or sell your guns to a gun buy back program. Yes sell your Kimber for $50 gift card.

mata777 Member

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Banning legal gun owners from selling a personal firearm sounds like grounds for a law suit in my book. What's next, if I sell any of my personal vehicles I magically become a car dealer forcing me to get a business license? As I understand it an 01 FFL is for those that engaged in the business of selling firearms for profit. This is ridiculous.

 

It also looks like they completely screwed folks in states that allowed trusts for NFA items, no more NFA guns/suppressor for those who have anti gun cleos.

mata777 Member

mata777

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

Do you understand how zoning works and the costs involved in maintaining a business in IL? An 01 FFL is nothing like a c&r collectors FFL.

spec5 Member

spec5

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Don't you have to be zoned for a business and provide proof of that business to obtain an FFL. You can't just say it is your home address if the city won't let you have a business at that address. I haven't had an FFL for many years but I thought that was what was required at that time.
spec5 Member

spec5

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Does selling a gun on this forum constitute "selling guns on the internet"?

Only if the forum is not connected to the Internet. :)

Uncle Harley Member

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Does selling a gun on this forum constitute "selling guns on the internet"?

Do you take payment over the internet and ship directly? ..... This is no different that posting a pic at the grocery store buliten board with pull off tabs with your phone number

 

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mata777 Member

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Does selling a gun on this forum constitute "selling guns on the internet"?

 

The way I'm reading it looks to me that what they are telling us is that any sale of a firearm has to be done by an FFL, internet sale or not.

Uncle Harley Member

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

 

Do you understand how zoning works and the costs involved in maintaining a business in IL? An 01 FFL is nothing like a c&r collectors FFL.

In IL or your part of IL? 90% of ffls i use I fill out the 4473 on their kitchen table

 

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mata777 Member

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Don't you have to be zoned for a business and provide proof of that business to obtain an FFL. You can't just say it is your home address if the city won't let you have a business at that address. I haven't had an FFL for many years but I thought that was what was required at that time.

 

Yes, zoning comes into play.

mata777 Member

mata777

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

 

Do you understand how zoning works and the costs involved in maintaining a business in IL? An 01 FFL is nothing like a c&r collectors FFL.

In IL or your part of IL? 90% of ffls i use I fill out the 4473 on their kitchen table

 

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My city doesn't allow FFL's to operate out of residential home. I have used many of the kitchen table dealers myself. I'm sure they've had their FFL's for quite a bit.

Uncle Harley Member

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

Do you understand how zoning works and the costs involved in maintaining a business in IL? An 01 FFL is nothing like a c&r collectors FFL.

 

In IL or your part of IL? 90% of ffls i use I fill out the 4473 on their kitchen table

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My city doesn't allow FFL's to operate out of residential home. I have used many of the kitchen table dealers myself. I'm sure they've had their FFL's for quite a bit.

My newest one has had it a whole whopping 8 mos? .....ish

 

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mata777 Member

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The way I'm reading it looks to me that what they are telling us is that any sale of a firearm has to be done by an FFL, internet sale or not.
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"Jarret then said that selling as few as “two firearms” could require somebody to obtain a federal firearms license. However, later in the call, Attorney General Lynch revised that number down further. “It can be as few as one or two depending upon the circumstances under which the person sells the gun,” Lynch said."

spanishjames Member

spanishjames

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If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

 

If I have to have a license to sell one gun, and it allows me to buy guns, and have them shipped to my home, I'm all for it.

 

Do you understand how zoning works and the costs involved in maintaining a business in IL? An 01 FFL is nothing like a c&r collectors FFL.

I should've written this in purple. All I meant was that if we were all "forced" to become dealers, we'd all end up buying even more guns.

Uncle Harley Member

Uncle Harley

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" depending on the circumstances" if you buy 10k gun with the intention to turn around and sell it for 20k that is a whole lot different than buying a gun and shooting it for 3 mos and selling it for a loss because you found something you think you like better.

 

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