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Uncle Harley

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  1. I just found out that if you want to purchase ammo in IN you still have to have it, aparently they aren't aware of the change. I found this out tonight when I presented my CCL because it was easier to get to in my wallet than my Foid.
  2. when did I miss this, I knew there were talks of this, but didn't realize it passed. Sheesh I've missed way to much around there lately
  3. Um didn't her cash register TELL her how much change she should give back? Sent from my KFOT using Tapatalk
  4. How many of those FOID holders are under age as well ?
  5. all you guys waiting on permits reminds me of Ralphie on The Christmas story waiting for his secret decoder ring HA HA ..... Be sure to drink your ovaltine! LOL
  6. Not sure if I should start another one or kick this one into 3rd gear. What your collective thoughts be on a sign that had the gun buster symbol and additional wording " except those exempted by ( insert fcca code here). ". So basically its saying no firearms by those who do not have a permit. Now hear me out on why I think this would be a good sign, by bank recently posted and the ceo is a buddy of mine and a gun guy but he's afraid he will loose all the soccer moms business if he doesn't post and is hedging a bet that that it will be more profitable for him to not lose those customers as apposed to the pro gun crowd. My thoughts are this, nobody really pays attention and actually reads those signs except folks who are legally carrying, and they will know that that code allows them to carry because it should have been beat to death in training. The random soccer mom will only glance at it and not really know what it means ..... I'm thinking about pitching this idea to him but wanted to run it through the gauntlet first. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  7. Many countries do not allow the regular folks posses firearms in calibers the same as police and military so they came out with the 9mm Kurtz which means 9mm short, we started bringing them here and like everything else we rename them so some genius came up with .380 lol Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  8. This and the fact that when I sent the Walmart image to isp they said to make sure the borders print would lead me to believe its not a legal sign Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  9. I keep hearing what happens if a customer calls in a man with a gun, my question is why on earth would a customer think you are an on duty employee or a vendor , the avg customer who doesn't carry certainly won't understand the subtle nuisance that we are debating, they will take it at face value Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  10. For what its worth I find more us made products there everytime I go for example we just bought a cheap set of plastic tumblers because the twins are learning to drink in big girl cups and we found some made in the US that were cheaper than the chinese brands ....go figure lol. Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  11. First reply was just this link with no additional text : https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/Public/CCWProhibitedAreaSign.pdf Second reply was " This is what it reads on the concealed carry website. NOTE: When printing the sign, please ensure the black borders surrounding the "no firearms" symbol measure 4 inches from top to bottom and 6 inches from left to right. So to put it all in order: Me: Is the below attached sign a legal sign that applies to everyone? http://allguntraining.com/images/walmart.pdf ISP: https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/Public/CCWProhibitedAreaSign.pdf Me: So that is not a legal sign I sent in question ? It has been a discussionI have been involved in concerning some local walmarts Some people think it's not a legal sign, and others are afraid that although the intention of Walmart is clear that it's not meant for everyone , that they in advertantly posted so nobody could enter, I'm trying to confirm or dispel some people's paranoia ISP : This is what it reads on the concealed carry website. NOTE: When printing the sign, please ensure the black borders surrounding the "no firearms" symbol measure 4 inches from top to bottom and 6 inches from left to right. That was the end of their response.
  12. Ok so I e-maild ISP and here is the conversation as follows, you will have to read from the bottom up to follow the conversation. they aren't coming out and saying it, but it appears to not be a legal sign. This is what it reads on the concealed carry website. NOTE: When printing the sign, please ensure the black borders surrounding the "no firearms" symbol measure 4 inches from top to bottom and 6 inches from left to right. From: "Harley Craig" <Redacted > To: <CCW_Illinois@isp.state.il.us>, Date: 01/10/2014 12:24 PM Subject: RE: sinage question So that is not a legal sign I sent in question ? It has been a discussion I have been involved in concerning some local walmart's Some people think it's not a legal sign, and others are afraid that although the intention of Walmart is clear that it's not meant for everyone , that they in advertantly posted so nobody could enter, I'm trying to confirm or dispel some people's paranoia. Thanks, Harley -----Original Message----- From: CCW_Illinois@isp.state.il.us [mailto:CCW_Illinois@isp.state.il.us] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 11:29 AM To: Harley Craig Subject: Re: sinage question https://ccl4illinois.com/ccw/Public/CCWProhibitedAreaSign.pdf From: "Harley Craig" <redacted > To: <CCW_ILLINOIS@isp.state.il.us>, Date: 01/10/2014 10:53 AM Subject: sinage question Is the below attached sign a legal sign that applies to everyone? http://allguntraining.com/images/walmart.pdf Thanks, Harley I then followed up with the question " since I am neither a walmart employee nor a vendor, when I receive my permit, will I be in violation of any laws if I enter a store with said sign?
  13. wrong wrong wrong... This is what the ISP says about signs: 619 Section 1231.150 Prohibited Areas 620 621 Section 65 of the Act specifies areas where concealed carry of firearms is prohibited and requires 622 posting of those areas. 623 624 a) A template for signs required pursuant to Section 65(d) of the Act shall be made 625 available by the Department on its website. 626 627 Owners of prohibited areas may utilize signage larger in size than the template 628 provided at their discretion. If prohibited areas use a larger sign, the template 629 provided shall be reproduced no smaller than the 4" x 6" dimension required by 630 the Act somewhere on the larger sign. 631 632 c) Prohibited areas may include additional language on their signs. If prohibited 633 areas include additional language, the template provided shall be reproduced no 634 smaller than the 4" x 6" dimension required by the Act somewhere on the sign. 635 636 d) The required signs shall be placed in such a manner as to provide persons entering 637 the prohibited area reasonable notice that they are entering a prohibited area and 638 may not carry a concealed firearm, pursuant to the Act, therein. Their rules clearly state that the sign may be larger than 4x6, may be a part of a larger sign, and may contain additional language. However, the ISP did not give the authority to change the meaning of the sign. Again, 430 ILCS 66/65 applies to EVERYONE in the state in ILLINOIS, not only to "On duty Wal-Mart employees and vendors." so based on this new information, your gripe should be with ISP and not walmart because ISP has clearly not made that information abailable on their website which is what I quoted from that says the sign shall be 4x6 inches and shall not contain any additional text. How is a random place of business supposed to know this unless they have insider information like you apparently do? The general public has the law, the law states ISP shall make the rules pertaining to the standardization of the sign, so when you go to the isp website to find said rules you find nothing of this. In walmart's mind and based off of the information they were provided by the ISP, they were not posting a legal sign, and I don't think you will find one prosecuter who would charge you based on that information. Still waiting on a confirmation from ISP wether or not it's a legal sign.
  14. I'm out you guys pole vault over mouse chit all you want, some one pm me when they get a verification from isp that this is a valid sign that effects me and ill come back here a publicly eat crow , heck ill even kiss your bare azz on the steps of the state capitol at the next igold Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  15. . Uh it is within the border are we not looking at the same image in the original post ? Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  16. I basing my response on what the isp has posted which should reflect any jcar rules the statute says the isp says what is a legal sign and what isn't and they have posted that it may not have any additional text and must be 4 x6 period end of story why don't someone send a copy to isp and ask them if it prohibits all people, if they say it does ill happily eat crow Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  17. As I said, do as you wish. We could use a test case. Intent doesn't mean squat, and common sense has little bearing on legalities. My opinion is that the Walmart sign as currently implemented is a valid GFZ notice for all FCCL holders. All they need to do is remove the "Pursuant to 430 ILCS 66/65" line to clear it up. Then obviously you missed what I copied and pasted from the isp website under signage and to be a legal sign it must not contain any other text and shall be 4x6. If you don't believe me go to the isp website and read with your own eyes, its comical that you work with complex legal crap but can't comprehend simple grade school vocabulary lol Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  18. It seems to be fast becoming the norm on Illinois Carry It's not even fun checking in anymore and it zaps all my energy , I don't even have enough left over at the end of the day to slap around the wife or kick the dog Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  19. It's sickening seeing our own people not having the common sense God gave a turkey, not everything should need to be broken down barney style Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  20. The fact that the isp says the sign in its entirety will be 4 in by 6 in makes this 8.5 x .11 sheet of printer paper a non compliant sign Sent from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  21. Not to mention nobody that was freaking bothered to read what the isp states is a legal sign, if you notice it says NO OTHER TEXT. Pursuant to Section 65(d) of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, signs must be of a uniform design and the Illinois State Police is responsible for adopting rules for standardized signs. The Illinois State Police has proposed rules which require a white background; no text (except the reference to the Illinois Code 430 ILCS 66/1) or marking within the one-inch area surrounding the graphic design; a depiction of a handgun in black ink with a circle around and diagonal slash across the firearm in red ink; and that the circle be 4 inches in diameter. The sign in its entirety will measure 4 inches x 6 inches. from my ADR6410LVW using Tapatalk 2
  22. The Wal-Mart sign also contains the ISP image and is equal to or larger than the mandated minimum size... It's a stock image, who says they got it from ISP It also say copywrite walmart 2013, How can they copywrite someone else's image?
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