Dr. G Posted September 21, 2011 at 09:59 PM Posted September 21, 2011 at 09:59 PM Only time will tell if this wil do any good or not. Since the primary excuse that the Black State Reps use in opposing HB-148 is that their "constituents don't want this", my question/challenge to them is, when did they ever try to find out??? This was sent to all of the black State Representatives in Illinois except LaShawn Ford. **************************************************************************************************************************************************** September 21, 2011 Dear State Representative,I am respectfully asking all of the Black State Representatives to host some type of public forum on the issue of concealed carry legislation before the Fall Veto session begins. How can you vote in the best interest of your constituents, if you dont know what they really want? How many have actually made an honest effort to find out. Jesse Jackson and Father Phleger do not speak for the majority of the Black community! On Aug. 31, Representative LaShawn Ford hosted a Town hall meeting on concealed carry and found that the vast and overwhelming majority of participants want to see HB-148 passed. The Second Amendment Collective held a Town Hall meeting at WVON Radio Station on the same day and time as Rep. Fords Town hall meeting. State Representative Marlow Colvin attended that event. Out of the 80 - 100 participants present, Rep Colvin was the only person in the room opposed to HB-148!!! In late April or early May, Rep. Constance Howard held an unofficial poll regarding HB-148 on her Facebook page, again, the vast majority of respondents wanted to see this bill passed. WVON radio station conducted one of their daily polls in August on concealed carry. The WVON POLL was 97.7 % for and 2.3% against. It was the highest votes cast ever for a WVON poll, more than twice the number that typically participate in their daily polls. I believe that Rep. Colvin was surprised at the level of support the participants at the WVON meeting gave to HB-148. I believe that Rep. Ford and the other three Reps who attended his meeting were surprised at the positive response, as was Rep. Howard when she held her Facebook poll. Representatives are elected to represent the interest of the constituents who vote them in office, not their personal interest. I believe that the majority of Representatives who voted no to HB-148 assume they know what their constituents want, but very few have made any honest, genuine efforts to find out. I therefore reiterate my request that you hold some type of public forum, allowing both the pro and con sides of the argument to be heard by your constituents, so that they can make an informed decision as to where they stand on this issue, and your vote this Fall be reflective of that decision. Sincerely, Gerald L. Vernon, President Chicago Firearms Safety Association
ishmo Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:34 PM Posted September 21, 2011 at 10:34 PM That's a great way to keep the pressure on and remind them that they're being watched. Please keep us updated on any responses you get.
THE KING Posted September 21, 2011 at 11:53 PM Posted September 21, 2011 at 11:53 PM Very Nice Dr. G I would have said that you probably would never see them doing a public forum on HB148, but with their backs against the wall and considering the pending lawsuits, I can see them holding the public forum and using that as an excuse when they do vote for HB148. They can then say that they don't agree with it but it's what their constituents want !!
GarandFan Posted September 22, 2011 at 12:20 AM Posted September 22, 2011 at 12:20 AM Great letter, Dr. G! I hope you receive some responses.
soundguy Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:43 AM Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:43 AM Perhaps this should be expanded to include the rest of the Chicago area reps? I be amazed if the Hispanic and Caucasian reps were in touch with the wishes of their constituents on this matter.
ChiShooter Posted September 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM Posted September 22, 2011 at 11:51 AM Like heck they don't! I bet this is the same argument that these representatives were using as a reason why Chicago shouldn't have CFP - that their constituents wouldn't want handguns and other firearms in Chicago. Yet, when I was applying for my CFP most of the other applicants were black. I overheard the lady just behind me talking to her friend how she needs a gun for protection as her home was just recently burglarized while she was in Church. And they'll want it even more since our great mayor, Rahm, is doing such a great job at preventing crime: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/26/988886/-Rahms-Plan-is-Not-Workinghttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/03/emanuel-pushes-police-bud_0_n_947885.html and so forth...
Drylok Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:41 PM Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:41 PM What does race have to do with it? I am so sick and tired of that crap I could scream.
drdoom Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:50 PM Posted September 22, 2011 at 01:50 PM I agree, the fact that people stereotype gun-owners as ONLY white people in America is racist. Good thing we got our brothers in Chicago fighting the good peaceful fight against this BS!
Drylok Posted September 22, 2011 at 02:35 PM Posted September 22, 2011 at 02:35 PM I should have prefaced by saying I don't mean anything personal towards Dr G with that comment I'm just in general tired of the race stuff. Who cares, we're all Americans.
Uncle Harley Posted September 22, 2011 at 06:10 PM Posted September 22, 2011 at 06:10 PM I should have prefaced by saying I don't mean anything personal towards Dr G with that comment I'm just in general tired of the race stuff. Who cares, we're all Americans.unfortunatly the Majority of the Chicago state reps care. They can't discuss ANY bill unless they throw in how it effects the black community. I'm like you I could care less all I care about is if you work and pay taxes or sit on your duff and suck of the govt tit. and ALL races and creeds to that! But racism is somehting that will NEVER go away, unless we all become robots where everyone of us is exactly alike there will always be social differences and color of skin happens to be just one of many.
Drylok Posted September 22, 2011 at 08:44 PM Posted September 22, 2011 at 08:44 PM ya I know what you mean uncle harley. That one rep up there is the worst, I can't even watch the live stream when she's speaking because she can turn anything into some kind of race thing. My favorite was that she was against ccw because the process could discriminate against urban black males and not let them get licenses. Wow
Xwing Posted September 23, 2011 at 02:44 PM Posted September 23, 2011 at 02:44 PM What does race have to do with it? I do agree that race should not be a factor, in an ideal world. We are all Americans, and all deserve to have our rights recognized. But I think Dr. G has a great approach in dealing with some politicians who have opposed conceal carry in the past. The politicians who he is targeting with this email do believe that race is a factor, so it is a good strategy to bring that to the front as it relates to 2a rights. It also helps fight the stereotypes of "white redneck gun owners". Here on this board, we know such stereotypes are untrue, but the politicians probably do not. Great effort to educate them!
Drylok Posted September 23, 2011 at 03:11 PM Posted September 23, 2011 at 03:11 PM I have to say, well said Xwing
Dr. G Posted September 29, 2011 at 07:26 PM Author Posted September 29, 2011 at 07:26 PM Drylok...one of the reasons I sent this particular challenge to the Black State Reps is that many of them think, like Rep. Marlow Covin said at our WVON town hall meeting that: "he doesn't think its a bad idea down state (ie. where there are more whites), but not in Chicago or Cook county (where more than half of the state's Black population lives). The implication is that he doesn't mind if whites have concealed carry, but not Blacks...and he is Black!!! I don't know if you have ever seen "NO Guns for Negroes". If not, go to www.jpfo.com and you can download a free copy. It talks about how 95% of gun laws in America have a racial motivation behind them. I am not trying to racialize this issue, that was done 2-300 yrs ago. I also sent this specifically to the Black Reps. because they represent the community where I live, and have consistently voted against concealed carry laws. Personally I don't think the race of the perpetrator should make any difference to the victim. At the same time, I also underestand that if you compare crime statisticts on the south and west sides of Chicago, with anywhere else in the state, you will find that Black people comprise a much larger proportion of crime victims relative to our percentage of the states population. Those who represent us in Springfield keep claiming that "our constituents don't want this" but in reality they have never asked. I personally believe that most of them don't really want to know, because it would remove their excuse for not supporting it.
Dr. G Posted October 3, 2011 at 07:49 PM Author Posted October 3, 2011 at 07:49 PM I sent this invitation/challenge out on Sept 21. So far the only response I got was from the one Black State Rep who voted for HB-148 in the Spring and says she will vote for it again in the Fall, Rep Jehan Gordon. All of the rest are quite as church mice!!! I suppose this confirms that they really don't care what their constituents either think, or want. Unfortunately, most of these State Reps run unopposed and most people I talk to have no clue who their state Rep is. This is a serious uphill battle.
jkrzos Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:16 PM Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:16 PM Howdy, Dr. G, I sent this my Representative Riley this afternoon. I hope he has the $%^&'s to answer yours & my email. Rep. Riley, We have been asking this for years. Please reconsider your position on HB-148. We have been asking you, our elected officals to give us HB-148. Everytime it's brought up, it gets defeated by Chicago area officals. These ideals of the Democrats, who espouse" the Government will protect you", is just racially motivated(like the Sullivans Laws in NYC). Please reconsider your stance on HB-148 and vote "YES". It will help people of all races, creeds, religons, & ages. Afterall 49 out of 50 states can't be wrong. This came off our website illinoiscarry.com. John KrzosMatteson, Illinoisjkrzos@outdrs.net Dear State Representative,I am respectfully asking all of the Black State Representatives to host some type of public forum on the issue of concealed carry legislation before the Fall Veto session begins. How can you vote in the best interest of your constituents, if you don’t know what they really want? How many have actually made an honest effort to find out. Jesse Jackson and Father Phleger do not speak for the majority of the Black community! On Aug. 31, Representative LaShawn Ford hosted a Town hall meeting on concealed carry and found that the vast and overwhelming majority of participants want to see HB-148 passed. The Second Amendment Collective held a Town Hall meeting at WVON Radio Station on the same day and time as Rep. Ford’s Town hall meeting. State Representative Marlow Colvin attended that event. Out of the 80 - 100 participants present, Rep Colvin was the only person in the room opposed to HB-148!!! In late April or early May, Rep. Constance Howard held an unofficial poll regarding HB-148 on her Facebook page, again, the vast majority of respondents wanted to see this bill passed. WVON radio station conducted one of their daily polls in August on concealed carry. The WVON POLL was 98.7 % for and 2.3% against. It was the highest votes cast ever for a WVON poll, more than twice the number that typically participate in their daily polls.I believe that Rep. Colvin was surprised at the level of support the participants at the WVON meeting gave to HB-148. I believe that Rep. Ford and the other three Reps who attended his meeting were surprised at the positive response, as was Rep. Howard when she held her Facebook poll. Representatives are elected to represent the interest of the constituents who vote them in office, not their personal interest. I believe that the majority of Representatives who voted “no” to HB-148 assume they know what their constituents want, but very few have made any honest, genuine efforts to find out. I therefore reiterate my request that you hold some type of public forum, allowing both the pro and con sides of the argument to be heard by your constituents, so that they can make an informed decision as to where they stand on this issue, and your vote this Fall be reflective of that decision. Sincerely,Gerald L. Vernon, PresidentChicago Firearms Safety Association
Jeffrey Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:23 PM Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:23 PM What cowards we have controlling us.
PPK Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:33 PM Posted October 3, 2011 at 09:33 PM What cowards we have controlling us. What heroes we have on our side. Thank you, Dr. G.
krm3051 Posted October 3, 2011 at 11:26 PM Posted October 3, 2011 at 11:26 PM Only time will tell if this wil do any good or not. Since the primary excuse that the Black State Reps use in opposing HB-148 is that their "constituents don't want this", my question/challenge to them is, when did they ever try to find out??? This was sent to all of the black State Representatives in Illinois except LaShawn Ford. **************************************************************************************************************************************************** September 21, 2011 Dear State Representative,I am respectfully asking all of the Black State Representatives to host some type of public forum on the issue of concealed carry legislation before the Fall Veto session begins. How can you vote in the best interest of your constituents, if you don’t know what they really want? How many have actually made an honest effort to find out. Jesse Jackson and Father Phleger do not speak for the majority of the Black community! On Aug. 31, Representative LaShawn Ford hosted a Town hall meeting on concealed carry and found that the vast and overwhelming majority of participants want to see HB-148 passed. The Second Amendment Collective held a Town Hall meeting at WVON Radio Station on the same day and time as Rep. Ford’s Town hall meeting. State Representative Marlow Colvin attended that event. Out of the 80 - 100 participants present, Rep Colvin was the only person in the room opposed to HB-148!!! In late April or early May, Rep. Constance Howard held an unofficial poll regarding HB-148 on her Facebook page, again, the vast majority of respondents wanted to see this bill passed. WVON radio station conducted one of their daily polls in August on concealed carry. The WVON POLL was 98.7 % for and 2.3% against. It was the highest votes cast ever for a WVON poll, more than twice the number that typically participate in their daily polls. I believe that Rep. Colvin was surprised at the level of support the participants at the WVON meeting gave to HB-148. I believe that Rep. Ford and the other three Reps who attended his meeting were surprised at the positive response, as was Rep. Howard when she held her Facebook poll. Representatives are elected to represent the interest of the constituents who vote them in office, not their personal interest. I believe that the majority of Representatives who voted “no” to HB-148 assume they know what their constituents want, but very few have made any honest, genuine efforts to find out. I therefore reiterate my request that you hold some type of public forum, allowing both the pro and con sides of the argument to be heard by your constituents, so that they can make an informed decision as to where they stand on this issue, and your vote this Fall be reflective of that decision. Sincerely, Gerald L. Vernon, President Chicago Firearms Safety Association I think there is an error in your numbers? 98.7 for +2.3 against=101%. Can't find the original poll, but think it was 1.3% against HB148.
SFC Stu Posted October 4, 2011 at 03:17 AM Posted October 4, 2011 at 03:17 AM I agree, the fact that people stereotype gun-owners as ONLY white people in America is racist. Good thing we got our brothers in Chicago fighting the good peaceful fight against this BS! I agree! This is pure BS, firearms don't recognize skin color!
pyre400 Posted October 4, 2011 at 03:45 AM Posted October 4, 2011 at 03:45 AM What cowards we have controlling us. What heroes we have on our side. Thank you, Dr. G. ^This
Dr. G Posted October 4, 2011 at 07:39 PM Author Posted October 4, 2011 at 07:39 PM KRM3051..thanks for finding that error it should have been 97.7 for and 2.3 against.
C0untZer0 Posted October 18, 2011 at 01:38 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 01:38 AM I've heard that HB-148 is basically dead (or on life support). How did we go from being just a few votes short to the bill now being dead? What happened?
Johnnybgood Posted October 18, 2011 at 01:46 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 01:46 AM More democratic, left wing, anti-gunners propaganda. The only reason it would be dead is because we are going to take out the gun laws in court.
Davey Posted October 18, 2011 at 02:15 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 02:15 AM I've heard that HB-148 is basically dead (or on life support). How did we go from being just a few votes short to the bill now being dead? What happened? It's not dead by any stretch of the imagination. After our recent vote in May the bill was put on hold. I forget the specific term for it. We are nearing the beginning of the next session of the il house. I think it's called veto session. We are also waiting for two separate rulings. Moore and Shepard vs IL/Madigan. Last few months we have been doing work in the courts. When the next session starts we will get back to business at the capital. By the way it's about time you showed up here.
C0untZer0 Posted October 18, 2011 at 02:57 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 02:57 AM I didn't hear that HB-148 was on life support from democratic, left wing, anti-gunners propaganda. I heard it from Bob: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27739&pid=294757&st=0entry294757 If Moore v Madigan overturns current IL state gun laws and the State legislature doesn't pass some kind of new regulations in a timely manner - what happens? I mean could we all start carrying knowing that if we were arrested the cases would be thrown out as unconstitutional? What would happen?
markthesignguy Posted October 18, 2011 at 03:16 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 03:16 AM I didn't hear that HB-148 was on life support from democratic, left wing, anti-gunners propaganda. I heard it from Bob: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=27739&pid=294757&st=0entry294757 <snip> Until you heat that from Todd, it's just another unsubstantiated opinion. Just read bob's signature line. in MY opinion, it is a HUGE threat for the anti's - a true sword of Damocles over their heads, suspended (and disaster forestalled by) by the intimidation of 5 people. And people keep on lobbing spitballs at the thread. They ARE sweating. Will we turn those 5, or replace them, or better yet, cut the chair out from underneath them with court decisions. Brandon Phelp's last words before the vote were no angry bluster, but rather the precursor to a telling "I TOLD you so, and now you gotta LIVE with the results".
oneshot Posted October 18, 2011 at 03:18 AM Posted October 18, 2011 at 03:18 AM I agree, the fact that people stereotype gun-owners as ONLY white people in America is racist. Good thing we got our brothers in Chicago fighting the good peaceful fight against this BS! I saw it in Michael Moore's movie! He said that white people have guns going all the way back to the colonies because they're scared of dark skinned people!
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