UnderCover Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:50 PM Posted December 19, 2018 at 10:50 PM WooHoo got my renewal licence today 12/19/18. Issued 12/14/2018It expires 12/11/2023
Hoffsoft Posted December 20, 2018 at 02:25 AM Posted December 20, 2018 at 02:25 AM Mine was exactly the same. It went active on the website on the 11th. But then it changed to the 14th, but I still expire on the 11th. They can keep the 83 cents or whatever 3 days costs, but it doesn’t speak well of the IT backend.
UnderCover Posted December 20, 2018 at 03:15 AM Author Posted December 20, 2018 at 03:15 AM Oops I just noticed I spelled License incorrectly.
Teufel Hunden Posted December 20, 2018 at 04:59 PM Posted December 20, 2018 at 04:59 PM Nice to see the people enforcing the laws feel free to ignore them. Can someone explain why the ISP feels free to issue the license for less than 5 years as required by law? Also, why do they not process and issue the renewal license so that the new license is issued on or the day after the current license expires. There is no more or less work involved doing it that way and it does not force a license holder to forfeit the (exorbinant) fees associated with the foregone days of licensure. Its not how they do it with vehicle registrations... Why does the same logic not apply? (Rhetorical, I know the answer.)
DomG Posted December 20, 2018 at 05:33 PM Posted December 20, 2018 at 05:33 PM Nice to see the people enforcing the laws feel free to ignore them. Can someone explain why the ISP feels free to issue the license for less than 5 years as required by law? Also, why do they not process and issue the renewal license so that the new license is issued on or the day after the current license expires. There is no more or less work involved doing it that way and it does not force a license holder to forfeit the (exorbinant) fees associated with the foregone days of licensure. Its not how they do it with vehicle registrations... Why does the same logic not apply? (Rhetorical, I know the answer.)They’ll get inundated with renewals as the end of February approaches and all the initial cards come due for renewal. My class is complete and I have my certificate, but I don’t plan to renew online until early February due to them ignoring current expiration dates. I expect many people to hold off for the same reason. It’s not just the money but the principle of being screwed out of 2+ months on an already exorbitantly priced constitutional right license.
Quiet Observer Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:09 AM Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:09 AM Nice to see the people enforcing the laws feel free to ignore them. Can someone explain why the ISP feels free to issue the license for less than 5 years as required by law? Also, why do they not process and issue the renewal license so that the new license is issued on or the day after the current license expires. There is no more or less work involved doing it that way and it does not force a license holder to forfeit the (exorbinant) fees associated with the foregone days of licensure. Its not how they do it with vehicle registrations... Why does the same logic not apply? (Rhetorical, I know the answer.) They are following the law. It does not state that a renewed license starts at the expiration date of the old one. " (430 ILCS 66/50) Sec. 50. License renewal. Applications for renewal of a license shall be made to the Department. A license shall be renewed for a period of 5 years upon receipt of a completed renewal application, completion of 3 hours of training required under Section 75 of this Act, payment of the applicable renewal fee, and completion of an investigation under Section 35 of this Act. The renewal application shall contain the information required in Section 30 of this Act, except that the applicant need not resubmit a full set of fingerprints. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-756, eff. 7-16-14.) "
THE KING Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:46 AM Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:46 AM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years. 430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.
Lou Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:48 AM Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:48 AM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years.430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.Why? Because this is Illinois.
InterestedBystander Posted December 21, 2018 at 01:29 AM Posted December 21, 2018 at 01:29 AM Why would they even think that made sense when the other things, like your DL, do not work like that?
DomG Posted December 21, 2018 at 01:39 AM Posted December 21, 2018 at 01:39 AM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years.430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.THIS. We need the ISRA to file a class action lawsuit. DON’T give the state extra money. DON’T renew early. Wait until the 11th hour to renew. Screw Illinois, like they repeatedly screw us.
UnderCover Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:37 PM Author Posted December 21, 2018 at 12:37 PM Honestly to me and my opinion. As long as I have a license to carry...It's all good. No matter of the cost and the times I apply for it. I feel safe for me, for my family and my love ones.
spec5 Posted December 21, 2018 at 04:45 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 04:45 PM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years.430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance. If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.The license MUST last for 5 years per law. If you register your car or driver's license early it is always based on the expiration date. This should be an easy win. ISRA do something. Class action now!!!!!
Quiet Observer Posted December 21, 2018 at 07:50 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 07:50 PM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years.430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance.If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.The license MUST last for 5 years per law. If you register your car or driver's license early it is always based on the expiration date. This should be an easy win. ISRA do something. Class action now!!!!! The ISP is following the law as written. Section 50, not section 10, addresses renewals. Nothing in the law states that the new card does not become active until the previous card expires. It has been said here on IC many times that the law is poorly written. " (430 ILCS 66/50) Sec. 50. License renewal. Applications for renewal of a license shall be made to the Department. A license shall be renewed for a period of 5 years upon receipt of a completed renewal application, completion of 3 hours of training required under Section 75 of this Act, payment of the applicable renewal fee, and completion of an investigation under Section 35 of this Act. The renewal application shall contain the information required in Section 30 of this Act, except that the applicant need not resubmit a full set of fingerprints. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-756, eff. 7-16-14.) "
THE KING Posted December 21, 2018 at 08:36 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 08:36 PM If they are following the law, then why is your initial 5 year period being reduced to less than 5 years.430 ILCS 66/10© A license shall be valid throughout the State for a period of 5 years from the date of issuance.If they were following the law, then your license's expiration date would run concurrent to the original expiration date.The license MUST last for 5 years per law. If you register your car or driver's license early it is always based on the expiration date. This should be an easy win. ISRA do something. Class action now!!!!! The ISP is following the law as written. Section 50, not section 10, addresses renewals. Nothing in the law states that the new card does not become active until the previous card expires. It has been said here on IC many times that the law is poorly written. " (430 ILCS 66/50) Sec. 50. License renewal. Applications for renewal of a license shall be made to the Department. A license shall be renewed for a period of 5 years upon receipt of a completed renewal application, completion of 3 hours of training required under Section 75 of this Act, payment of the applicable renewal fee, and completion of an investigation under Section 35 of this Act. The renewal application shall contain the information required in Section 30 of this Act, except that the applicant need not resubmit a full set of fingerprints. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-756, eff. 7-16-14.) " You can't cherry pick what section applies. Section 10 says that your license is valid for 5 years. If they short change you by 2 or 3 months then they are not complying with the law. Section 10 and Section 50 coincide hand in hand. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 21, 2018 at 09:24 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 09:24 PM The license MUST last for 5 years per law. If you register your car or driver's license early it is always based on the expiration date. This should be an easy win. ISRA do something. Class action now!!!!! The ISP is following the law as written. Section 50, not section 10, addresses renewals. Nothing in the law states that the new card does not become active until the previous card expires. It has been said here on IC many times that the law is poorly written. " (430 ILCS 66/50) Sec. 50. License renewal. Applications for renewal of a license shall be made to the Department. A license shall be renewed for a period of 5 years upon receipt of a completed renewal application, completion of 3 hours of training required under Section 75 of this Act, payment of the applicable renewal fee, and completion of an investigation under Section 35 of this Act. The renewal application shall contain the information required in Section 30 of this Act, except that the applicant need not resubmit a full set of fingerprints. (Source: P.A. 98-63, eff. 7-9-13; 98-756, eff. 7-16-14.) " You can't cherry pick what section applies. Section 10 says that your license is valid for 5 years. If they short change you by 2 or 3 months then they are not complying with the law. Section 10 and Section 50 coincide hand in hand. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I agree, this is grounds for a class-action lawsuit by CCL holders, then, isn't it? Any of the legal-minded ICers care to weigh in on the possibility/validity of that? It seems pretty cut and dried that the State is violating its own laws and being inconsistent with CCLs as compared to literally every other state-issued license, such as IDs and Driver's Licenses, that renew to run when the old license was set to expire. Isn't that some sort of fraud, taking citizens' money and not giving them full value for it for what they are paying for?
THE KING Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:26 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:26 PM ChicagoRonin, you are right. I also think this could be considered fraud on the state's part. We aren't talking pennies either. If you do the math, we're looking at FCCL holders as a group losing anywhere from $1.5 to $2.2 million dollars.
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:35 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:35 PM ChicagoRonin, you are right. I also think this could be considered fraud on the state's part. We aren't talking pennies either. If you do the math, we're looking at FCCL holders as a group losing anywhere from $1.5 to $2.2 million dollars. Probably more than that, considering the ancillary costs of fingerprinting, the class cost, ammunition for the testing, et cetera. Given that just about every FCCL holder will renew early, over the next five years, that amount is going to be closer to about $5 million that the State of Illinois is defrauding CCL holders over, by ignoring the law and treating the CCL renewals differently than literally ever other license issued by the State. I am wondering if the folks behind Illinois Carry are open to helping with a court case about this, the same way that they did with the CCL, and did with the Red Flag legislation recently.
mata777 Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:39 PM Posted December 21, 2018 at 11:39 PM I’m also holding off my renewal. My ccl expires in April, have the renewal cert in hand but will hold off until March to renew.
Gamma Posted December 23, 2018 at 07:23 AM Posted December 23, 2018 at 07:23 AM I’m also holding off my renewal. My ccl expires in April, have the renewal cert in hand but will hold off until March to renew.I wonder what will happen to the expiration date if a renewal goes into the "grace period". If the new license expiration date is beyond the original date, then at least their system is consistent, if malfunctional. If a "grace period" renewal gets backdated to the original expiration date, then they're intentionally screwing licensees. I'm reminded of the Office Space fractions of a cent thing.
soundguy Posted December 23, 2018 at 11:14 AM Posted December 23, 2018 at 11:14 AM I’m also holding off my renewal. My ccl expires in April, have the renewal cert in hand but will hold off until March to renew.I wonder what will happen to the expiration date if a renewal goes into the "grace period". If the new license expiration date is beyond the original date, then at least their system is consistent, if malfunctional. If a "grace period" renewal gets backdated to the original expiration date, then they're intentionally screwing licensees. I'm reminded of the Office Space fractions of a cent thing. Likely, the expiration date will echo the day the renewal goes ACTIVE.
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