C0untZer0 Posted October 27, 2017 at 07:25 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 07:25 PM · Hidden by mauserme, October 27, 2017 at 07:33 PM - Duplicate Post Hidden by mauserme, October 27, 2017 at 07:33 PM - Duplicate Post It is the core mission of The Gifford Law Center to help legislators craft gun control legislation, although I don’t know if they were working with any Illinois legislators on the recent anti-gun bills Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
TRJ Posted October 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 08:21 PM It is the core mission of The Gifford Law Center to help legislators craft gun control legislation, although I don’t know if they were working with any Illinois legislators on the recent anti-gun bills Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhen they were ARS they wrote the dealer license bill which we see is something of a boat anchor...I wonder if the name change bought them any smarts?
skinnyb82 Posted October 27, 2017 at 09:38 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 09:38 PM It is the core mission of The Gifford Law Center to help legislators craft gun control legislation, although I dont know if they were working with any Illinois legislators on the recent anti-gun bills Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs that kinda like the Clinton Global Initiative? You know, where the "Initiative" only benefits the Clintons, the Giffords Law Center only benefits the Giffords/Kelly family (or the Brady Center only benefiting the Bradys).
MrTriple Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:05 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:05 PM It is the core mission of The Gifford Law Center to help legislators craft gun control legislation, although I dont know if they were working with any Illinois legislators on the recent anti-gun billsSent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs that kinda like the Clinton Global Initiative? You know, where the "Initiative" only benefits the Clintons, the Giffords Law Center only benefits the Giffords/Kelly family (or the Brady Center only benefiting the Bradys).That's something I came to realize recently: how many true believers are there in any of the leadership positions of any major gun control group? Or how many are just doing it for the money?
C0untZer0 Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:51 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:51 PM Ya, the name C0untZer0 was already taken on Wikipedia and the original article on the R9 had some errors and was generally incomplete so I edited it. The photo in Wikipedia is actually my R9. Wikipedia wouldn't let me post a picture of the R9 from the Rohrbaugh website - it had to be content that I owned.
InterestedBystander Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:57 PM Posted October 27, 2017 at 11:57 PM It is the core mission of The Gifford Law Center to help legislators craft gun control legislation, although I don’t know if they were working with any Illinois legislators on the recent anti-gun bills Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I doubt it. None of them are very smart but the fact that Moylan didn't seem to have a clue makes me believe it was written by somebody that was almost an idiot, like someone associated with Marty Moylan and Deb Conroy. I went and watched yesterdays floor debate today. How do these people get elected and then how do they think it's OK to sponsor a bill they know nothing about? Not the way laws should be made! At one point it did remind me of Conroy in debate earlier this summer trying to defend her Tannerite bill...no clue and could only read from the paper placed in front of them.
C0untZer0 Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:03 AM the fact that Moylan didn't seem to have a clue makes me believe it was written by somebody that was almost an idiot It happens all the time with these gun bills. If you can find video of Kathleen WIllis responding to questions concerning the Gun Dealer Licensing bill - its obvious she didn't even read the bill that came over from the Senate. If you can find video of Naomi Jakobsson responding to questions concerning her amendment to prohibit firearms in hospitals - she didn't have a clue. She could not answer a single question - not one. Each time she was asked a question she had to turn to the consultant sitting behind her. The consultant would feed her the answers and then she would parrot it into the microphone. If a legislator asked a follow-up question, Jakobsson had to turn around again, get the answer, and parrot that answer back into the microphone. It was really a debacle. Someone told me that the person who was coaching her (feeding her answers) was someone from LCAV - but I never got confirmation of that.
C0untZer0 Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:45 AM Posted October 28, 2017 at 12:45 AM Part of it is actually a function of the way Mike Madigan runs the House. Having complete control of the schedule is another powerful tool he has. Most other state legislatures have a schedule and it is FIFO, with exceptions being voted on. In Illinois, Madigan has complete control of the schedule and this allows him to launch surprise attacks with bills at almost any time, and his opponents have to scramble to react to bills that they've just seen moments before they're debated on the floor. Sometimes the bills are sprung on the "sponsor" (Madigan toadie) at the last moment also. But Kathleen WIllis didn't have an excuse - she had plenty of time to at least read the bill even though she didn't have the brain power to understand it. Don Harmon must have been tearing his hair out seeing her totally kill the chances for his bill with her incompetence. Here are the before and after pictures: http://www.illinoiscarry.com/forum/uploads/monthly_10_2017/post-3474-0-82106500-1509151482.jpg
WitchDoctor Posted October 28, 2017 at 05:09 AM Posted October 28, 2017 at 05:09 AM Let's just remember to not let the ANTI'S know how f*^&$#g stupid they are as there bungling and mumbling are all to our side's benefit.WD
C0untZer0 Posted October 28, 2017 at 01:15 PM Posted October 28, 2017 at 01:15 PM They learn by attempting to pass the bills. A certain number of flaws are pointed out, objections are raised by other legislators, so the antis go back to the drawing board and tweak the bills to make them more palatable and then they make another run at it.
Prairie Pucker Posted October 28, 2017 at 03:01 PM Posted October 28, 2017 at 03:01 PM Compare that to a friend whose life went to heck. He hurt his back, had surgery and goes to a pain clinic. He has Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, Methadone and smokes pot constantly and has for years. The only thing that Harmon's proposed changes do is make the pot use legal and do not address that he needs some sort of treatment. Basically if you took away all of his pills, he would vapor lock. He needs a controlled withdrawal and then some other sort of treatment. That's the funny part of this crisis, the politicians think that by taking away opioids that people will be like "I hurt a little more". No, a lot of these people are going to go through withdrawal and hard. Not suggesting that it's the same thing, but I've been prescribed Oxy for four knee and shoulder surgeries and managed to get hooked on the stuff every time despite knowing (after the first operation) what could happen. The cold turkey withdrawal after the first was a few days of pure misery. Later during an appointment I mentioned to a nurse what had happened. Her reply? "Oh, you should have said something. We have a pill for that." She was serious. I don't know what it is, but there must be something that can help people ease their way through withdrawal. Other than her mention, I've heard nothing about it. Wondering why it's not publicized more?
Glock23 Posted October 28, 2017 at 04:16 PM Posted October 28, 2017 at 04:16 PM If my mother wasn't allergic she would be on at least Hydrocodone. Mark Harmon's answer? Give an 83 year old some pot. Sorry, moms goofy enough, perhaps some hash oil is the answer? You can get medical marijuana that doesn't get you "high."
kk5 Posted October 28, 2017 at 05:37 PM Posted October 28, 2017 at 05:37 PM If my mother wasn't allergic she would be on at least Hydrocodone. Mark Harmon's answer? Give an 83 year old some pot. Sorry, moms goofy enough, perhaps some hash oil is the answer?You can get medical marijuana that doesn't get you "high." I honestly did not know that. What's the mechanism of action then? It is the CBD content that is medicinal. There are strains that have as little as 1-2% THC (the high content) and 23% CBD. Not enough to make people goofy especially with edibles.
InterestedBystander Posted October 28, 2017 at 06:32 PM Posted October 28, 2017 at 06:32 PM If my mother wasn't allergic she would be on at least Hydrocodone. Mark Harmon's answer? Give an 83 year old some pot. Sorry, moms goofy enough, perhaps some hash oil is the answer? You can get medical marijuana that doesn't get you "high." I honestly did not know that. What's the mechanism of action then? It is the CBD content that is medicinal. There are strains that have as little as 1-2% THC (the high content) and 23% CBD. Not enough to make people goofy especially with edibles. Apparently from a pain thread on another board,there is also CBD oil from hemp plants with < .3% THC available over the counter unlike the legal issues of it from marijuana plants. Several reported positive results.
skinnyb82 Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:10 PM Posted October 29, 2017 at 12:10 PM Not suggesting that it's the same thing, but I've been prescribed Oxy for four knee and shoulder surgeries and managed to get hooked on the stuff every time despite knowing (after the first operation) what could happen. The cold turkey withdrawal after the first was a few days of pure misery. Later during an appointment I mentioned to a nurse what had happened. Her reply? "Oh, you should have said something. We have a pill for that." She was serious. I don't know what it is, but there must be something that can help people ease their way through withdrawal. Other than her mention, I've heard nothing about it. Wondering why it's not publicized more?I'm in the same boat. Not with oxycontin but with hydro and oxycodone. Tore some critical ligaments in my right wrist about 7 years ago, compressed my ulnar nerve (cubital tunnel syndrome is God awful) and have had four surgeries as a result. Took them about three years and had an EMG at my own personal request to finally diagnose the cause of the pain I was having. Meanwhile, I'm being pumped full of Norco for 3-4 years, on and off, usually on. The second that I could detox from that evil crap, I did so and I didn't look back. Wasn't mentally hooked but my body was hooked on them (have no desire to ever touch those things again). Self-detoxed myself, screw Suboxone that's just evil by another name. It'll ease your withdrawal, then you'll have to taper off that AFAIK. All I know is I'm so happy to be off those things and I won't take them again unless I'm a dead man walking. There's no magic bullet to fix the withdrawals. Best idea is to taper off down to next to nothing, then go cold turkey.
lockman Posted October 29, 2017 at 01:49 PM Posted October 29, 2017 at 01:49 PM If my mother wasn't allergic she would be on at least Hydrocodone. Mark Harmon's answer? Give an 83 year old some pot. Sorry, moms goofy enough, perhaps some hash oil is the answer? You can get medical marijuana that doesn't get you "high." I honestly did not know that. What's the mechanism of action then? It is the CBD content that is medicinal. There are strains that have as little as 1-2% THC (the high content) and 23% CBD. Not enough to make people goofy especially with edibles. Apparently from a pain thread on another board,there is also CBD oil from hemp plants with < .3% THC available over the counter unlike the legal issues of it from marijuana plants. Several reported positive results. My daughter has Touretteâs and high levels of THC have shown to be very effective in tic reduction and in many cases almost full suppression. When administered with near equal amounts of CBD and other cannabinoids the psychoactive effects are suppressed or eliminated. The trick will be finding the right balance as everyone is different.. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
JTHunter Posted October 30, 2017 at 06:58 PM Posted October 30, 2017 at 06:58 PM Mauserme - Great "play by play". Thanks. Representative Fortner, citing Federal statute, asks for clarification of the meaning of "prepackaged explosive". Mr. Moylan reads from the script, and his answer is not accepted by Mr. Fortner. There's my rep doing me some justice! Thank you for all your constant updates, it's a God-send... I'm disgusted to say that I once shook Marty Moylan's hand on accident....<barf> Did you ever get the slime and smell off your hand? Maybe we need to adopt a tool from Trump's Tactical Twitter Toolbox and start giving the reps names like Lying Ted, Crooked Hillary....After this display put on by Moylan today he needs a new name. Not So Smarty Marty comes to mind. I like that idea !!
SiliconSorcerer Posted October 30, 2017 at 07:37 PM Posted October 30, 2017 at 07:37 PM A lot of the quoting is messed up so I'm not even sure I'm following all this but CBD will do NOTHING FOR PAIN it's mainly a treatment for seizures and ??. Pure CBD will come syringe it's like black goo tar and it tastes like licking the resin out of an ashtray and they suggest putting it under your tongue (YUK!) If you scraped the bowl of your bong to clean and ate it, yeah that's about it! For pain relieve you MUST have THC the mix/strength you have to experiment with, there is no THC that doesn't get you "high" that's why you find the right mix and also have/build a tolerance. I'm completely opiate immune even direct injections of morphine do nothing I'm legally max Fentanyl (without putting a tube down my throat).Addiction just eludes me, I just don't understand it, I've never had that problem. By the way HEMP oil won't do spit, regardless of all the hype, it's just not the same animal don't waste your money. A string in about this in the back door would be interesting. I don't know if anyone would admit to having a license and checking box 11e, of course USE could me your not smoking it while filling out the form and if there's none in your pocket your not in POSSESSION of any either. Interpretations could obviously vary.
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