Hipshot Percussion Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:20 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:20 PM FULL STORY HERE By JIM SAUNDERSThe News Service of Florida TALLAHASSEE For the second time in little more than a year, a federal appeals court Tuesday upheld a controversial Florida law that restricts doctors from asking questions and recording information about patients’ gun ownership.The 2-1 decision by a panel of the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was a victory for the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights advocates and a defeat for medical groups that argued, at least in part, that the law infringed on doctors’ First Amendment rights.The appeals court last July also upheld the 2011 law but issued a revised ruling Tuesday. After last year’s decision, medical groups continued challenging the law, including asking for a rehearing before the entire Atlanta-based appeals court.Dubbed the “docs vs. Glocks” law, the measure includes a series of restrictions on doctors and other health providers. As an example, it seeks to prevent physicians from entering information about gun ownership into medical records if the physicians know the information is not “relevant” to patients’ medical care or safety or to the safety of other people.As another example, the law says doctors should refrain from asking about gun ownership by patients or family members unless the doctors believe in “good faith” that the information is relevant to medical care or safety. Also, the law seeks to prevent doctors from discriminating against patients or “harassing” them because of owning firearms.Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article29245474.html#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:32 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:32 PM Sorry, when it comes to someone else's privacy, your first amendment right only goes so far. It is also not medically relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milq Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:38 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 03:38 PM Yeah I don't see any way that my refusal to answer the Dr's question would infringe on their free speech. The bank teller doesn't have a right to know the contents of my refrigerator either, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:05 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:05 PM We actually switched pediatricians because of this. I asked the pediatrician her thoughts on this ruling in Florida. She was strongly in favor of doctors asking about "unsafe" guns, and stood with the left-wing AAP. I told her what I thought of that and we never went back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Stu Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:06 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:06 PM It is none of their business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevis Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:17 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:17 PM Them asking about your possessions, firearms or otherwise, is as unnecessarily intrusive as asking them about their pornography habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipshot Percussion Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:21 PM Author Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:21 PM Yeah I don't see any way that my refusal to answer the Dr's question would infringe on their free speech. The bank teller doesn't have a right to know the contents of my refrigerator either, etc.Funny you mention that. Just this morning I went to the bank to withdraw cash for some landscaping being done. Because of the amount (under $9999) I was asked what my job was. When I balked, she said it was because of 'terrorists'. When I arrived home, my wife said that she has been asked 'what the money was going to be used for.' Who the hecks business is it what I do with my money? This is getting out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:56 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 05:56 PM Do they think someone is going to slip up and tell a bank employee that they are going to buy a bunch of explosives and blow up a building? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6010 Posted July 29, 2015 at 07:03 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 07:03 PM Even before this ruling. Why couldn't you just lie and say "No" when they asked if you own any guns ? Why couldn't you just not answer or tell them to buzz off ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 29, 2015 at 07:15 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 07:15 PM As done on trivia game shows, why not just say, "Pass." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted July 29, 2015 at 08:11 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 08:11 PM Yeah I don't see any way that my refusal to answer the Dr's question would infringe on their free speech. The bank teller doesn't have a right to know the contents of my refrigerator either, etc.Funny you mention that. Just this morning I went to the bank to withdraw cash for some landscaping being done. Because of the amount (under $9999) I was asked what my job was. When I balked, she said it was because of 'terrorists'. When I arrived home, my wife said that she has been asked 'what the money was going to be used for.' Who the hecks business is it what I do with my money? This is getting out of hand. Thus the furor over Hastert's alleged misdeeds isn't over the acts themselves. but about "structuring" - an attempt to conceal monetary transactions from the $10k reporting requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defaultdotxbe Posted July 29, 2015 at 09:01 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 09:01 PM Even before this ruling. Why couldn't you just lie and say "No" when they asked if you own any guns ? Why couldn't you just not answer or tell them to buzz off ? Doctors and insurance plans would be able to drop you for refusing to answer, that's another thing the law is set up to prevent. I imagine lying could produce problems down the line also, even though you aren't under oath or anything there might be legal implications Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted July 29, 2015 at 10:36 PM Share Posted July 29, 2015 at 10:36 PM I believe someone on here posted a waiver document for doctors to sign regarding asking questions about/counseling about firearms, on a tangential subject. I think that would be something to use alongside this type of legal decision, if the doctor was inclined to ask, then they need to provide verification of their credentials to advise on firearm-related matters. Anyone have that document to link or upload? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsxdm Posted July 30, 2015 at 03:48 AM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 03:48 AM I believe this is the form you are looking for.http://www.keepandbeararms.com/downloads/gundocform.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM1(SW) Posted July 30, 2015 at 04:28 AM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 04:28 AM I believe this is the form you are looking for.http://www.keepandbeararms.com/downloads/gundocform.pdfThat is just plain insane, some of the topics, safety using forks.... These people are crazy plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted July 30, 2015 at 10:38 AM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 10:38 AM Don't worry, the antis will come up with a law that will define pro-2A opinions as insane, and put people in the insane aslyum involuntarily just for having that view, so they would have a basis to legally take away their 2A rights and guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTriple Posted July 30, 2015 at 01:14 PM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 01:14 PM Yeah I don't see any way that my refusal to answer the Dr's question would infringe on their free speech. The bank teller doesn't have a right to know the contents of my refrigerator either, etc. Funny you mention that. Just this morning I went to the bank to withdraw cash for some landscaping being done. Because of the amount (under $9999) I was asked what my job was. When I balked, she said it was because of 'terrorists'. When I arrived home, my wife said that she has been asked 'what the money was going to be used for.' Who the hecks business is it what I do with my money? This is getting out of hand.You can blame the BSA for that. I used to be a teller so I'm familiar with the dollar limits and such. The idea is that drug dealers would literally deposit huge sums of cash all at once and there was no way to report stuff like that, so Nixon pushed for the enactment of the BSA as a result. I can see why they did it, but as someone who generally views governmental reporting as a largely unnecessary reality I find these types of laws to be laughably stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domin8 Posted July 30, 2015 at 01:41 PM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 01:41 PM What does the Boy Scouts of America have to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith44 Posted July 30, 2015 at 03:25 PM Share Posted July 30, 2015 at 03:25 PM Different BSA - Bank Secrecy Act -Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted July 31, 2015 at 01:25 AM Share Posted July 31, 2015 at 01:25 AM I believe this is the form you are looking for.http://www.keepandbeararms.com/downloads/gundocform.pdf That is indeed the one. I've copied it and marked the URL for future reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marie Posted July 31, 2015 at 03:07 AM Share Posted July 31, 2015 at 03:07 AM My doctor hasn't asked, but if she did, I have no problems doing the "guns are icky" routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted August 2, 2015 at 05:12 PM Share Posted August 2, 2015 at 05:12 PM Our old peditrician asked that question, going through a list.She got to that question, asked it and laughed as she did, said 'NO' and just moved on.Don't know if she was a gun owner herself, but she knew enough of her patients families were, and just said she was required to ask, but always answered 'No'. Now her alternate was anti-gun/anti hunting.We had to go to him (another office) and while waiting picked up a field and stream magazine, deer hunting issue.Took the magazine in back with us, the nurse saw the cover and made a disgusted sigh, the Dr. saw it and said that they needed to review the magazines in the waiting office.I didn't even addressing them, just looked at my daughter and said 'they don't know who they are dealing with', as she had been the one to choose our reading material.When we got home, flipped on the tube and there was a deer hunting episode that my daughter wanted to watch. It was ok, didn't really care for that Dr. anyway. We deal with a new practice now for 4 years and have never been asked about guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weldor Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:45 AM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 02:45 AM First thing you should do is ask your Dr. if he owns guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted August 3, 2015 at 03:19 PM Share Posted August 3, 2015 at 03:19 PM Our old peditrician asked that question, going through a list.She got to that question, asked it and laughed as she did, said 'NO' and just moved on.Don't know if she was a gun owner herself, but she knew enough of her patients families were, and just said she was required to ask, but always answered 'No'. Now her alternate was anti-gun/anti hunting.We had to go to him (another office) and while waiting picked up a field and stream magazine, deer hunting issue.Took the magazine in back with us, the nurse saw the cover and made a disgusted sigh, the Dr. saw it and said that they needed to review the magazines in the waiting office.I didn't even addressing them, just looked at my daughter and said 'they don't know who they are dealing with', as she had been the one to choose our reading material.When we got home, flipped on the tube and there was a deer hunting episode that my daughter wanted to watch. It was ok, didn't really care for that Dr. anyway. We deal with a new practice now for 4 years and have never been asked about guns. I would've used that as an opportunity to make the Doctor & Nurse feel uncomfortable for their bigoted anti-hunting & anti-firearm views. I just can't let that stuff go unchallenged. Glad to hear you found a better Dr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw45 Posted August 4, 2015 at 03:54 AM Share Posted August 4, 2015 at 03:54 AM I would've used that as an opportunity to make the Doctor & Nurse feel uncomfortable for their bigoted anti-hunting & anti-firearm views. I just can't let that stuff go unchallenged. Glad to hear you found a better Dr. You know, I normally would have.I think that day, dealing with a sick child that it just wasn't worth it, had more pressing issues.If my daughter hadn't been really sick, I would have waited for her normal pediatrician. And you would have had to know the Dr. to realize that it probably was a wasted effort, would have never been understood.Severely lacking personality and sense of humor.We did like him as a doctor, but as a person, he may have been an acquired taste. But even that normally doesn't stop me, it was just one of those days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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