Molly B. Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:31 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:31 AM We have a couple members who are working on compiling simple 1 page letters that can be presented to or left with management/owners of businesses who post "no carry" signs. We would also like a nice color brochure if we have a volunteer who would like to put one together. This topic will serve as a placeholder for links and files. Thank you!Molly B. No Guns = No Money cards available here.
Elderberry Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:40 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:40 AM Thanks, Molly. I think that approach will change a lot of attitudes....
III Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:41 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 02:41 AM Can we make this a sticky?.... Seems to be a shortage of those here.... :-) EDIT: I use this pamphlethttp://www.illinoisgunownersrights.org/merchandise/free-ccw-pamphlet
Blackhawk067 Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:28 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:28 AM We have a couple members who are working on compiling simple 1 page letters that can be presented to or left with management/owners of businesses who post "no carry" signs. We would also like a nice color brochure if we have a volunteer who would like to put one together. This topic will serve as a placeholder for links and files. Thank you!Molly B. No Guns = No Money cards available here. I could probably take care of the brochure Moll. Let me know.
KingWalleye Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:34 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:34 AM Let's all be very careful how we word this and more so how we present ourselves when delivering them. The ISRA has been somewhat of an embarrassment with their over the top press releases and frankly, their command of the English language has left a lot to be desired. Double-check and proof read everything ten times over. The last thing we need is to present our side as uneducated and as hysterical as the anti's.
DomG Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:38 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:38 AM Let's all be very careful how we word this and more so how we present ourselves when delivering them. The ISRA has been somewhat of an embarrassment with their over the top press releases and frankly, their command of the English language has left a lot to be desired. Double-check and proof read everything ten times over. The last thing we need is to present our side as uneducated and as hysterical as the anti's. That is exactly the goal. Logical, statistics and facts. No emotional pleas.
LYU370 Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:59 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 03:59 AM The ISRA has been somewhat of an embarrassment with their over the top press releases and frankly, their command of the English language has left a lot to be desired. Ding, ding, ding!!! Winner, winner, chicken dinner! Some of the recent emails and comments seem VERY unprofessional and alarmist. "Be prepared to be verbally attacked", "Remember to wear an iGOLD or NRA t-shirt and hat." Sorry, but I think we need to be much more professional. I'd never even think of wearing an IGOLD or NRA T-Shirt or hat to one of these town hall meetings.
Blackhawk067 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:13 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:13 AM I'm more than happy to help out on the writing portion, but my offer was for the graphic design aspect of the brochure.
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:14 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:14 AM I was working on the graphics for the 1/3 page brochure, but I am not a professional by any means. If you are more experienced you are welcome to it Blackhawk. I could send you what I have so far. I could use text ideas also
Blackhawk067 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:21 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:21 AM I was working on the graphics for the 1/3 page brochure, but I am not a professional by any means. If you are more experienced you are welcome to it Blackhawk. I could send you what I have so far. I could use text ideas also I don't want to step on toes and take over the project, but I'm more than happy to chip in and help. I do this stuff for a living. I'll PM ya my email.
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:22 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:22 AM PM sent I don't mind doing it, but a pro would probably do a better job. Or we could each do a side. IDK.
LYU370 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:34 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:34 AM I use this pamphlethttp://www.illinoisg...ee-ccw-pamphlet That one is pretty good, but personally, I feel some of the items are a little too much "In your face".
TJSum1 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:37 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:37 AM I was working on the graphics for the 1/3 page brochure, but I am not a professional by any means. If you are more experienced you are welcome to it Blackhawk. I could send you what I have so far. I could use text ideas alsoIf you haven't used it already, the language from the no guns = no money is a good start. Some mention of the fact that we are the last state, not the first. I am surprised how many people don't know that Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense.
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:43 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:43 AM Looks like Blackhawk and I will double team this one. He's the professional. I don't mind working with him. I'm sure it will end up a lot better.
domin8 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:53 AM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:53 AM Here's my contributions. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/02/a8yny8yj.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/02/myteqa7y.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/02/evyqymab.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/02/nyvaju8a.jpg I'll leave the rest to the professionals.
Ranger Posted March 2, 2014 at 01:33 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 01:33 PM I encountered a sign at cell phone provider Friday. Surprised me. Fwiw: I think in most cases in this area of south central il, it is a case of either being a restricted place or a perceived lower liability which causes some to post - not an ideological bias against gun owners. the fix to the restricted places will have to be done legislatively and the liability fix could be done that way. I wonder if there is a liability difference in other states for businesses...
aka Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:47 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:47 PM I use this pamphlethttp://www.illinoisg...ee-ccw-pamphlet That one is pretty good, but personally, I feel some of the items are a little too much "In your face". I would agree. I think this is really good but needs to be softened a little on the front.
Dr. Rat Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:50 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:50 PM I use this pamphlethttp://www.illinoisg...ee-ccw-pamphlet That one is pretty good, but personally, I feel some of the items are a little too much "In your face". I would agree. I think this is really good but needs to be softened a little on the front. One thing I really like about it though is the link for sources. That kind of documentation really helps establish the validity of the claims.
Bobbyjones0 Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:55 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:55 PM I think it will be really hard to change someone's irrational fear of guns with just a letter about statistics. I think a lot of the materials I'm seeing fail to talk dollars and cents. "There are X amount of licenses expected and they all will pay hundreds of dollars for training and fees and are far more likely to avoid a posted business than a scared uninformed soccer mom would be to avoid a non-posted business. Paying for this privilege is a show of conviction that the antis do not possess. Licensees WILL avoid your business, WILL give money to your competitors, and WILL encourage their friends and families to do the same."
III Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:56 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 04:56 PM I think it will be really hard to change someone's irrational fear of guns with just a letter about statistics. That's why I also offer to take those I know to the range. I have changed a few of my friends viewpoints by giving them the opportunity to understand that they are in control over what they fear.
SiliconSorcerer Posted March 2, 2014 at 05:09 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 05:09 PM I was working on the graphics for the 1/3 page brochure, but I am not a professional by any means. If you are more experienced you are welcome to it Blackhawk. I could send you what I have so far. I could use text ideas also I don't want to step on toes and take over the project, but I'm more than happy to chip in and help. I do this stuff for a living. I'll PM ya my email. I hope that anything that is done is made available in source (photoshop) I'm a HUGE proponent of sharing tools/resources with like minded people (for free) I make a large commitment of time and resources to the firearm collector community and related organizations. (mostly non-profit)
Sigma Posted March 2, 2014 at 05:40 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 05:40 PM im not good with that graphics stuff nor am i politically correct but i can make a monetary donation to help with printing costs and production
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2014 at 07:30 PM Posted March 2, 2014 at 07:30 PM I suggested to Blackhawk that We also make a mostly black and white version for cheaper/easier printing at home. Tapa-what? Tapatalk.
Blackhawk067 Posted March 3, 2014 at 06:35 AM Posted March 3, 2014 at 06:35 AM I was working on the graphics for the 1/3 page brochure, but I am not a professional by any means. If you are more experienced you are welcome to it Blackhawk. I could send you what I have so far. I could use text ideas also I don't want to step on toes and take over the project, but I'm more than happy to chip in and help. I do this stuff for a living. I'll PM ya my email. I hope that anything that is done is made available in source (photoshop) I'm a HUGE proponent of sharing tools/resources with like minded people (for free) I make a large commitment of time and resources to the firearm collector community and related organizations. (mostly non-profit) We can make it available in any format, but if I do it, I'm creating it in Illustrator so that it's in vector format. From there I can bridge it over to Photoshop or make it available in any other format.
Blackhawk067 Posted March 3, 2014 at 06:38 AM Posted March 3, 2014 at 06:38 AM Haven't had much time to play around with it, but here's one quick sample... The first two are possible fronts and the other is a possible back. We're apparently not doing a tri-fold brochure. On the back sample, I just typed out a bunch of stuff more just to show how it can look. We can have a group collaboration on what should actually go on. I told Ty I'll have some free time in the next couple days to come up with some more samples.
birdman1967 Posted March 3, 2014 at 09:39 AM Posted March 3, 2014 at 09:39 AM Haven't had much time to play around with it, but here's one quick sample... The first two are possible fronts and the other is a possible back. We're apparently not doing a tri-fold brochure. On the back sample, I just typed out a bunch of stuff more just to show how it can look. We can have a group collaboration on what should actually go on. I told Ty I'll have some free time in the next couple days to come up with some more samples. I think the estimate from the isp was 400k licenses this year. Good job on the pamphlets. Sent from my LG-E980 using Tapatalk
turningfinal Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:20 PM Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:20 PM I'm looking forward to seeing some sample letters for me to get some ideas. I stopped by my favorite locally owned wing joint yesterday and saw they were posted. Made me very disappointed, and I didn't dine there. I'd love something not "in your face" in order to discuss with the owner.
TRJ Posted March 3, 2014 at 02:24 PM Posted March 3, 2014 at 02:24 PM First, I really like the samples above! They look great and catch attention/pique curiosity. I'd also like to see something along the line of No Good Guys/Mopes Welcome on front and details about our extensive back ground checks, possible LEO status, and stats on crime rate vs population in regards to ccl holders. This wouldn't be about money. It would be about feelings. Kinda like " Chicago had over 500 murders last year, why would you kick Batman out of your place?"
III Posted March 3, 2014 at 03:02 PM Posted March 3, 2014 at 03:02 PM I use this pamphlethttp://www.illinoisg...ee-ccw-pamphlet That one is pretty good, but personally, I feel some of the items are a little too much "In your face". I would agree. I think this is really good but needs to be softened a little on the front. I am not sure what parts of this ya'll think is too harsh... Can you provide an example? ...What I like best about this is that it looks professionally done and is aesthetically pleasing. One thing you should keep in mind is that many of the "anti's" are very much into proper marketing. They will be less receptive if what is handed to them looks like something some "backwoods hick" put together in their barn (I can say that since I am one). The message needs to be clean and clear (and sources provided). The other aspect I like about this tri-fold is that it has layered messaging. The main message is provided in quick blurbs, yet you can also read more and receive additional details.
turningfinal Posted March 3, 2014 at 03:45 PM Posted March 3, 2014 at 03:45 PM I am not sure what parts of this ya'll think is too harsh... Can you provide an example? ...What I like best about this is that it looks professionally done and is aesthetically pleasing. One thing you should keep in mind is that many of the "anti's" are very much into proper marketing. They will be less receptive if what is handed to them looks like something some "backwoods hick" put together in their barn (I can say that since I am one). The message needs to be clean and clear (and sources provided). The other aspect I like about this tri-fold is that it has layered messaging. The main message is provided in quick blurbs, yet you can also read more and receive additional details. It does look very professional and I love that aspect. If I were to put myself in the shoes of someone who is on the fence about concealed carry, the things that would concern me with the first pamphlet are: The "No Compromises" banner under the Illinois Gun Owners Rights logo. I could see it being a turn-off for some people, but hey...it is their logo. Possibly the logo without IGOR/No Compromises as used in the second pamphlet may be better. I don't think the holstered firearm brings any benefit to the overall pamphlet. Concealed carry is supposed to be concealed, no need to have a giant holstered 1911 on the front cover. The second paragraph on the first panel makes me a little uneasy. If someone ever told me they're going to "make one last effort to educate me" I'd roll my eyes at them. In my opinion, there's much softer wording that could be used to get the same point across without being overly dramatic and in-your-face with that line.
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