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Vox: USA allows people to have guns, so people get shot. This is bad.

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https://www.vox.com/23142734/las-vegas-unlv-mass-shooting

 

ends with:
 

Bruen has since allowed handguns — which are responsible for the overwhelming majority of gun murders in the United States — to proliferate on many American streets. That’s because Bruen strikes the types of laws that limit who can legally carry handguns in public, holding that “the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.” Amid a flurry of activity in the courts over the last year, more than a dozen state and federal gun control laws have been invalidated in whole or in part as a result.

 

Under this new legal regime, the future of firearm regulation looks grim for anyone who believes that the government should help protect us from gun violence.

Windchaser Member

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They call themselves "journalists". That article was so one sided it was ridiculous. According to their own guiding principles they state:

Explanatory journalism is a public good.

We believe that when more people understand why something is happening, we’re all better off. That’s why we keep Vox free.

 

We don’t start with foregone conclusions.

We’re not afraid to make a bold statement backed by expertise and reporting. We explore all points of view with generosity, empathy, and fairness, but we put facts first.

 

The entire article was a foregone conclusion that guns are bad. There was no balanced presenting both sides of the issue. They certainly weren't providing balanced information so that the reader could form their own opinion on the matter. not to mention most of their points were factually inaccurate,

 

soundguy Member

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American guns are concentrated in a tiny minority of households: just 3 percent own about half the nation’s guns, according to a 2016 Harvard and Northeastern University study. They’re called “super owners” who have an average of 17 guns each.

 

Hmmmm...

 

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The gun lobby has the advantage of enthusiasm. “Despite being outnumbered, Americans who oppose gun control are more likely to contact public officials about it and to base their votes on it,”

 

 

Cheers,

Tim

Jeffrey Member

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American guns are concentrated in a tiny minority of households: just 3 percent own about half the nation’s guns, according to a 2016 Harvard and Northeastern University study. They’re called “super owners” who have an average of 17 guns each.

 

Is that a dig at these guys?

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Yeti Member

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On 12/13/2023 at 1:54 PM, soundguy said:
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American guns are concentrated in a tiny minority of households: just 3 percent own about half the nation’s guns, according to a 2016 Harvard and Northeastern University study. They’re called “super owners” who have an average of 17 guns each.

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Let’s check the math on this as I doubt Vox as “journalists” did:

 

There were ~ 125 million households in the US in 2016

 

3% of 125 Million = 3.75 million households as “super owners” per the study

 

3.75 million * 17 average guns = 63.75 million guns = ~ 50% of total guns

 

63.75 million * 2 = only 127.5 million guns in the U.S. in 2016 per the article.  🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am not trusting or quoting that study!

 

 Per the same article, there are then 390 million total guns in the US in 2018, just 2 years later!! You “deplorables” must have been spending a lot more on guns than the rest of us!!

 

Please tell me if my math is wrong but this seems to be another “journalism and university studies at their most biased” moment. 

soundguy Member

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On 12/13/2023 at 2:34 PM, C0untZer0 said:

I always wanted to be super at something.  It turns out that I'm super and I didn't even know it.

 

I'm a super gun owner !

 

Congratulations on your new exulted status!

 

Cheers,

Tim

 

 

 

 

 

 

soundguy Member

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On 12/13/2023 at 4:24 PM, Yeti said:

Let’s check the math on this as I doubt Vox as “journalists” did:

 

They are likely using government data as the basis for their research for that article.

 

Obviously, and this may pertain to a timely "Illinois" question, no one knows who has what, how many or anything else.

 

Cheers,

Tim

Yeti Member

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On 12/13/2023 at 5:22 PM, soundguy said:

 

They are likely using government data as the basis for their research for that article.

 

Obviously, and this may pertain to a timely "Illinois" question, no one knows who has what, how many or anything else.

 

Cheers,

Tim

Sorry, I am not understanding your point on who is using the government data for research?  What research?

 

I am not seeing that Vox did any real research at all as the quoted Harvard/Northeastern survey doesn't really doesn't even pass a basic sniff test and for them to raise it 7 years later as essentially fact to justify their biased, non-journalistic editorial ("American gun owners are concentrated in a tiny minority of households") is shoddy. 

 

I just spent one minute just now to look up the "survey" they are relying on and it was never published, definitely not a sign that it holds water.  This "survey" was actually released by The Trace and funded by the Joyce Foundation.  You can draw your own conclusions on whether it has merit given the association with these groups but it was even called out as being questionable back in 2016.  Any real journalist should have found that and questioned the source (or at least called out the potential bias and looked for other data).

 

I agree 100% that no one knows for sure but who truly owns what when it comes to guns but Vox's chosen "data" on the number of guns in circulation then contradicts its later chosen "data".  Regardless the source, that isn't defensible as solid journalism and, as pointed out by Windchaser, does not show that they "put the facts first" or were balanced in both sides of the issue.  Yet another editorial posing as journalism to influence a gullible audience. 

 

 

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On 1/10/2024 at 10:06 AM, Smallbore said:

These people have a simple philosophy:

Bad violent people harmed is bad; good peaceful people being attacked, robbed, knifed, shot, raped, mutilated, killed is OK.

More like "its not their fault because we didn't light enough money on fire making libraries and schools they wouldn't use anyway. So we can't blame them because equity."

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