Can you legally carry two concealed firearms with a CCL?

[EnCrypt]

there's no reason to close the thread. if people want to argue it until they're blue in the face they can do just that.

[C0untZer0]

I didn't say to close this thread or delete posts from this thread, I said:

 

We should make a new thread that answers this question, with the legal explanation as mauserme has written it out, lock it and make it a sticky.

 

[Gamma]

 

 

.......Illinois laws are generally permissive; if an action isn't specifically prohibited, it is allowed.......

 

 

This ^^^^^^ Laws are not made to allow, they are made to restrict. The FCCA is not there to allow us to carry, it is there to restrict us from carrying except for under certain circumstances (ie. you have a permit) Further more it is there to restrict who is eligible for a permit (ie. those without a FOID are prohibited)

 

The law does not prohibit carry of multiple weapons because it does not state it.

 

a great example of this is: a few months ago I decided I wanted to start shooting on my property which is outside of town. so I called up the county police for the area and asked for laws that allow me to do that. he said "as long as you're out of town and your bullets stay on your property you can shoot on your own land." I said yea that's all find and good but where can I see that in law? he said "laws do not give you access they restrict access, if you cant find something specifically stating you can't then you can." I took that to heart and apply it anywhere I can now lol.

 

It's rather disheartening that someone on this website would need a police officer to explain that.

 

Then again the societal push toward that mentality does explain part of the enthusiasm for a concealed carry licensing law, when in reality, all we needed was for it not to be prohibited.

[mauserme]

We were all new at this when we got here.

[gangrel]

 

 

This ^^^^^^ Laws are not made to allow, they are made to restrict. The FCCA is not there to allow us to carry, it is there to restrict us from carrying except for under certain circumstances (ie. you have a permit) Further more it is there to restrict who is eligible for a permit (ie. those without a FOID are prohibited)

 

 

The law does not prohibit carry of multiple weapons because it does not state it.

 

a great example of this is: a few months ago I decided I wanted to start shooting on my property which is outside of town. so I called up the county police for the area and asked for laws that allow me to do that. he said "as long as you're out of town and your bullets stay on your property you can shoot on your own land." I said yea that's all find and good but where can I see that in law? he said "laws do not give you access they restrict access, if you cant find something specifically stating you can't then you can." I took that to heart and apply it anywhere I can now lol.

 

It's rather disheartening that someone on this website would need a police officer to explain that.

 

Then again the societal push toward that mentality does explain part of the enthusiasm for a concealed carry licensing law, when in reality, all we needed was for it not to be prohibited.

 

Many municipalities have ordinances prohibiting the discharge of firearms within said municipality, whether it is on private property or not, whether the bullets stay on private property or not. The question asked of the county police was a completely reasonable one, for someone who has no interested in breaking the law in the name of civil disobedience.

[RoadyRunner]

+1 for a sticky 'FCCL-FAQ' that we can all link to when questions such as 'how many guns'/'how big can my magazine be'/'are laser sights allowed in Chicago'/'can I transport in a prohibited location' etc come up...

 

These have been talked about ad-nausium. Until there is litigation, we only have the legislators intent and not everyone followed that. So, let's have a rich FAQ with appropriate references to help out all the newer members...

[Bubbacs]

+1 for a sticky 'FCCL-FAQ' that we can all link to when questions such as 'how many guns'/'how big can my magazine be'/'are laser sights allowed in Chicago'/'can I transport in a prohibited location' etc come up...

 

These have been talked about ad-nausium. Until there is litigation, we only have the legislators intent and not everyone followed that. So, let's have a rich FAQ with appropriate references to help out all the newer members...

Or........use the search feature built in to the boards and see what you may have been missing!

At some point, new peeps need to look around and see the answers, otherwise in 10 years a new member will register and his first post will be about a mag restriction in cook county!

[POAT54]

B4

[Jsanc]

Carry as many that you can carry concealed and as many mags

[C0untZer0]

We were all new at this when we got here.

 

 

You mean when we were born?

[ChicagoRonin70]

I am starting my backup gun collection. I bought my first Phoenix Arms Raven .25 on here, and I'm going to corner the market on them by buying up every one I can find on the Internet.

 

Then I am going to carry every single one of them in a huge backpack with a chute attached to the bottom of it and leading to my strong-side belt. Then, I'll just pull one out of the chute, fire all the rounds, toss it away, and grab another one from the bottomless backpack o' BUGs!

 

I call that the Lakeview Carry method.

[quackersmacker]

Dohn wohwy abboudit.

[EnCrypt]

Dohn wohwy abboudit.

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[quackersmacker]

 

Dohn wohwy abboudit.

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fuggedaboudit

[MagSlap]

 

 

Dohn wohwy abboudit.

ayyy you avin a gaggle m8?

 

fuggedaboudit

 

Dats raccisss!

[Joebillybob]

whodathunkit?

[tkroenlein]

I didn't find an answer running a search, so I'll ask it now. Can you legally carry two firearms with an illinois CCL? This question was asked during our 2014 CCL training class, and both training instructors did not have a definitive answer. The law says you can carry a concealed firearm, but "a" firearm usually means one.You need to understand a bit of the history behind the bills involved in the FCCA.On 5/31/2013, HB183 of the 98th General Assembly was passed as amended, by both bodies. This eventually became PA98-0063, the Firearm Concealed Carry Act.On 7/2/2013, Governor Quinn issued an amendatory veto attempting to limit the scope of the law. This veto was overridden in the House on 7/9/2013. The bill was then sent to the Senate for similar action.On the same day as the veto override vote, Senate President Cullerton filed Senate Amendment 2 on HB1453 of the 98th General Assembly, as a trailer bill to the FCCA, attempting to modify it in many of the same ways the governor hoped to modify it. This was debated just before debate on the override and, during this debate, several anti-carry legislators expressed their support for the measure while adding that they believed it did not go far enough. Among them, though not the only to mention the number of firearms that can be carried, was Senator Lightford who stated:Thank you, Mr President. I, too, rise in support of the trailer bill, but I would like to acknowledge that I find that it is too restrictive. It's not going far enough for many of us who have challenges in our areas with gunfire. I would have liked for five areas to have been included in this legislation which limit handguns. I think it's unnecessary for an individual to have four, five, six, seven unlimited weapons on them at any time. I believe the magazines should have been lowered to a capacity of ten. Also, I think that employer's property should have also been taken into consideration....A vote on the trailer bill was taken and, after it failed, debate began on the veto override.The amendatory veto read, in part:Limiting Number of Guns and AmmunitionThe bill provides no cap on the number of guns or on the size or number of ammunition clips that may be carried. Instead, it allows individuals to legally carry multiple guns with unlimited rounds of ammunition, which is a public safety hazard....The legislation should clarify that a license will permit an individual to carry one concealed gun and one ammunition clip that can hold no more than 10 rounds of ammunition.During this portion of debate Senator Collins stated:...But let me just say that I support the Governor's amendatory veto for many reasons that have already been enumerated in reference to alcohol and the carrying of guns, the number of guns, the size of the ammunition clip, that it preempts home rule...Shortly after, a vote was taken and the veto was overridden, leaving the then new law without limits on the number of firearms.In other words, the legislature that wrote and passed the law recognized that there are no limits on the number of guns that can be carried. The Governor recognized the same, tried to change it, and failed.Now, you can argue that this isn't the case until a court says it is, but doing so is the equivalent of saying the legislature creates not law, but a random collection of words with no meaning, waiting to be defined by the Judiciary who will create law as it sees fit.Our system is simply not designed that way..

 

Thanks Mauser. I thought that I had gathered all of the morsels of banter among the legislators concerning employers, yet, here is another.

[Liberty4IL]

Now, you can argue that this isn't the case until a court says it is, but doing so is the equivalent of saying the legislature creates not law, but a random collection of words with no meaning, waiting to be defined by the Judiciary who will create law as it sees fit.Our system is simply not designed that way..

Agree with the entirety of your post. The problem is identified in the last two pararaphs: the system is not being implemented as designed.

 

We have both federal and state, executive and judicial branches creating or attempting to create law to push their agenda. Which is why people are afraid that, due to a poorly written law, a states attorney could be pressured by a mayor to prosecute something that was never intended in the law. Create fear = control the masses.

 

This desperately needs to be corrected in the November election.

[C0untZer0]

Well to each their own I guess. I carry more than one firearm and I'm not afraid that I'll be arrested for it.

[soylentgreen]

Did you know you can OWN more than one gun if you have a FOID? It's TRUE!!