Gun violence in Illinois & the 2nd Amendment

[KENDLLB360]

Hi glock23:

 

Your right. If it does work. That would be great. Thats all im saying. Is the KILLINGS will slow down. Or stop. I NEVER said crime would stop. Did i? I said that in OUR areas, people were being KILLED, not robbed, or beatup, or raped, i said KILLED,from the gang drug wars. Thats all we care about right now. Is the KILLING. Not the homeinvasions, not the rapes, child molesters, we talking about gangs, killing gangs, killing moms, killing kids, thats all. I dont bring a solution to world crime. I bring a solution to drug violence. Thats it. Drug violence..if they cant make money from drugs, then yes, they may steal more. Or rob more. But stealing and robbing isnt murder. Most robberies dont have to end in murder. We are trying to figure out a way to end the drug violence. Only God can stop ALL violence. Not man. Otherwise we would have already. Right?? Why havnt we been able to? Why do people still die everyday from violence? People get drunk and drive and people die. But alcohol is legal?? As deadly as it is. And how many of you drink?? Exactly. So why cant weed be legal? Noone crashes a car from being high on weed. How many husbands get drunk and beat their wives? Rape women while drunk? How many kids crash while DUI?? But its legal? R u kidding me? Time to open our eyes to reality. Like i said, drugs arent going anywhere anytime soon. In fact there evolving. So why cant we capitalize off of it? And also, attempt to curve the violence that comes from its black market? Aint it worth a shot? We tried everything else, including drinving this country broke on a pointless war on drugs for 30yrs. Get my point. But i guess like ive been told, my neighborhood drugs and gun violence issues, isnt a NRA or ISRA problem at all. Its a poor broke blk n latino problem. So of course why would yall care right? Cause those other guys sure havent gave us any of their smart sujestions on our current predictament. Just bashed my ideas.

 

 

Like i said though, im not activist. I dont think politics care about the real problem. What do you want, to keep drugs illegal, and what? What do we do about the killings? Bring in national gaurd to our areas? Declare marshal law in the south of chicago? Lock all the blksand latino communities down with more police? Yea that will help people feel less like slaves and more like Americans. With our areas declared a hazard. And lock them down with 1000 more cops? When the ones we have already abuse us?? You want to give us more cops, soldiers, army guns in our streets? Or can we try a less direct apprroach. But like colt guy said, what does drug and gang violence have to do with our gun rights in the suburbs? I guess nothing.

[KENDLLB360]

Hey then legalize all drugs...duhh...crack, cocaine, heroine, everything. I mean whats the differ???? If they do it now, they will do it then. If they dont drugs now, they wont do them then..whats the differ???

 

Why dont yall smart guys give a better solution? Bc everything i say yes its easy to tear it down. When your looking for faults in what i write. But not one of you gave a solution. Did you??? Bot a reasonable one. So wheres all your sujestions on that? Oh right, you dont even care about those issues. I forgot. Pardon me.

[KENDLLB360]

Molly your right..

 

Not all gang guys are good guys. I know some REAL killers. Who just love to kill. Thats true. But a lot of them arent that bad. They just dont feel they have a way out. They already criminals by teenage years. By the time they get older, they cant get a good job. Im not making excuses for everyone. But its true. Why cant they all have a good drug free gang free neighborhood? Why is it that these people have to suffer threw gun violence everyday? Im sure they would like a neighborhood without gun violence. Life wont be perfect, but it wud be better.

[defaultdotxbe]

 

Why dont yall smart guys give a better solution? Bc everything i say yes its easy to tear it down. When your looking for faults in what i write. But not one of you gave a solution. Did you??? Bot a reasonable one. So wheres all your sujestions on that? Oh right, you dont even care about those issues. I forgot. Pardon me.

Because you get to a point where there is no solution. Not everyone is willing or able to be a productive member of society. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

[KENDLLB360]

As far as the gangs robbing n stealing more, i thought thats why yall fight for our gun rights?? So we can protect ourselves. If not, then what are yall doing here? Im saying crime will continue, but kids being shot in drug turf drivebys will stop. The gangs gun violence dont come from ribberies, or stealing, its from shooting over drug turf. Dont you get it?? They not shooting into old ladys windows on purpose, they shooting at the gang members on the streets for drug turf, and missing them, hitting a kid. Im ONLY seeking a way to ease the MURDERS from DRUGS in our country. Im not Jesus. Im not here to fix crime as a whole. Im just telling YALL that the DRUG violence is where the KILLINGS come from. Start reading what i say, not what you think im saying.

[Mr. Fife]

I'm enjoying this thread, and would like to welcome the OP to the forum. There is a lot of wisdom being posted from all of the participants on the subject of 2A, and parts of the conversation has veered into other areas. There's a small part of my gut that tells me we are being trolled, but it's a very small part, since there is more interesting on-topic items being discussed here. I will continue to enjoy reading this thread as it progresses, but I'm going to call IBTL just in case that small gut feeling is right. Again, welcome to the forum and carry on please.

[Glock23]

Hi glock23:

Your right. If it does work. That would be great. Thats all im saying. Is the KILLINGS will slow down. Or stop. I NEVER said crime would stop.

 

With all due respect, I'd rather gang bangers keep killing each other than to shift their focus onto trying to take what I have.

 

Violent crime is violent crime, regardless of whether or not someone dies. THAT is what needs to change.

[KENDLLB360]

Hey default guy...

 

Your right. I actually agree with you. There is no REAL solution to our isues. Except for God to intervien. Crime will NEVER stop. It hasnt stopped since beggining of time. So we cant expect there to be a solid solution. Not even guns is a solution. But, but, on the subject of drug violence. That we can control to some extent. I said gangs are here to stay. Crime is here to stay. We cant make a world like the movie "the purge". Crime isnt going anywhere. Or drugs either. So even if legalizing drugs wont stop violence, it sure as heck can help with debt...agreed??? Forget bout stopping crime. Murder. If people want to commit crime, they will. But what about helping our country budget? I know it can do that. We can stop this war on drugs for good on focus on rebuilding every single community. From poor whites. To poor blks. N poor arabs. What do we have to lose?? People want to smoke crack, then smoke your crack. You want to sniff coke, sniff your coke. What wud it hurt? If people do drugs already? Who wud it hurt? I know im not smoking crack. Or heroine. Are you?? If its legal, will you want to try a hit of crack?? Just for the heck of it? No right. Well ok. Its the peoples choice. And if it happens to help sway the gang violence even 2% more than its doing its job. Whatever going on now,we are losing the fight. Losing lives, losing our countries money into this fight, we are just losing. While el chapo has made a billion dollars off our countries hunger for drugs. Thats money our country could of made off of drugs our damn selves. Why are we HELPING make drugs cartels and gangs rich?? By keeping it illegal, we are literally keeping them a job. As drug dealers lol. Its sad. Our country employ these guys by not legalizing the drugs they make billions off of.

[KENDLLB360]

Im sorry my friend. But gang violence WILL make it to your steps one way or another one day. Where you think the gangs will go once they make big money? They will start moving. Branching out. You think gangs only want to stay in the hood? You dont think they will expand the more money they start to make. A gang member sells drugs, makes good money,and then buy a house right next door to you. Get it. Now he hangin out infront of your house. You call cops, but he use to dealing with cops and dont care. Or, he may just walk up and punch you in the face one day for calling the cops. See, if you dont try and fix the issue now, it will be too late in 20 years when they overrun the whole city. N now army must come in and everyone on house curfews for safety reasons.

[WARFACE]

[KENDLLB360]

Whats OP??? FIFE?? I KEEP SEEING OP, OP, OP

[POAT54]

OP = Original Poster

[smelf2]

Kendllb360

 

there should not be such a gigantic difference in our school systems from one community to the next. if you don't know what is available to you as far as opportunities then it is much harder to succeed.

 

this thread is so long I step away for an hour or so and more pages get added.

 

also if you bring up controversial topics you should expect folks to become uncomfortable especially if they think you're a troll or don't agree and think you're blaming others.

 

I believe that as a community we can come together and close the gap from the bottom to the top.

 

 

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[KENDLLB360]

Legalize drugs to stop the drug money from being made, that pays for criminals to have high powered guns, and then you hurt their pockets. They cant afford to have wars no more. Yea they may turn to other crimes more. But is that new? They rob n steal now already. Are we 2a supporters worried about some punkass gang members tryig to rob us? That why we have our 2a rights. Protect your selves. Its every individual Americans job to figure out how to stay safe from crime. Your not forced to buy a gun. And carry. We want to. So if gangs cant get money from drug sales, and start to commit other crimes, then we prepare for that too. We arm ourselves now more than ever. They want to break into our homes, ok lets dance ******. Got my M&P right here. You want to rob me on the street, ok meet my CC. Thats stuff we can control. We cant control the kids being shot in drug war drivebys. We cant comtrol that. But we can control what comes directly at us. Robbery. Stealing etc. Cant stop a gang members bullet from going into a kids chest because he had no aim,and was shooting over a drug corner. We cant control that. So lets deal with wat we CAN control.

[KENDLLB360]

Ohhhhh. So all the time, OP was about me?? Jajaja. Did not know. Apologies to all who wrote me and i didnt respond. I thought OP was like Mollys husband or someone.

[defaultdotxbe]

Hey default guy...

Your right. I actually agree with you. There is no REAL solution to our isues. Except for God to intervien. Crime will NEVER stop. It hasnt stopped since beggining of time. So we cant expect there to be a solid solution. Not even guns is a solution. But, but, on the subject of drug violence. That we can control to some extent. I said gangs are here to stay. Crime is here to stay. We cant make a world like the movie "the purge". Crime isnt going anywhere. Or drugs either. So even if legalizing drugs wont stop violence, it sure as heck can help with debt...agreed??? Forget bout stopping crime. Murder. If people want to commit crime, they will. But what about helping our country budget? I know it can do that. We can stop this war on drugs for good on focus on rebuilding every single community. From poor whites. To poor blks. N poor arabs. What do we have to lose?? People want to smoke crack, then smoke your crack. You want to sniff coke, sniff your coke. What wud it hurt? If people do drugs already? Who wud it hurt? I know im not smoking crack. Or heroine. Are you?? If its legal, will you want to try a hit of crack?? Just for the heck of it? No right. Well ok. Its the peoples choice. And if it happens to help sway the gang violence even 2% more than its doing its job. Whatever going on now,we are losing the fight. Losing lives, losing our countries money into this fight, we are just losing. While el chapo has made a billion dollars off our countries hunger for drugs. Thats money our country could of made off of drugs our damn selves. Why are we HELPING make drugs cartels and gangs rich?? By keeping it illegal, we are literally keeping them a job. As drug dealers lol. Its sad. Our country employ these guys by not legalizing the drugs they make billions off of.

I don't actually have a problem with legalizing drugs, I just don't think it's going to be fix-all you ate expecting. When gangs aren't killing each other over drug turf they will kill each other over prostitution turf (I don't have a problem legal prostitution either, so let's move forward) then it will be over gambling (you'll notice a pattern with my opinion, so moving on...) then it will be over extortion or other rackets (now I do have a problem with legalizing that lol) and if all else fails people will kill each other for even stupider reasons. It's one of the earliest things humans learned to do: group people as "us" and "them" and learn to hate each other over it.

 

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[Lou]

Whats OP??? FIFE?? I KEEP SEEING OP, OP, OP

OP = original poster That is the one that started the thread, in this case you

[Marie]

 

OP, you always vote Democratic, don't you?

 

 

That's a rather leading question. How about, do you research candidates and find the ones who support the Second Amendment and vote for them?

Dang right I do. And I don't vote D. Period.

 

I also make close to the $70K the OP mentioned, work my arse off for it. Stay out of trouble. I always have. And have had absolutely no trouble passing multiple background Federal background checks for work, let alone background checks for FOID, CCL, and multiple non-resident carry permits. I'm a respectable woman, support myself with no help from anyone else, pay ridiculous taxes, and can't abide people who have a crappy work ethic.

[KENDLLB360]

Smelf2. Im no tropl i promise. I dont mean to offend others. But i dont apologize for what i feel. As they dont either. They came on my post offensively. They can expect an offensive response. Thats bottomline. We all feel like we are the smartest o es but really we are all fools. All of us. Are all blind to the fact that we continue to create our own distruction. All other society

ies have died and fallen. What makes us think we are special? The romans failed, and are extink, the british times are over, egypt, every civilization has their time. When will ours be over? Idk. I just say to each his own. I know this will be the last post i put up though for sure. Wasnt expecting to be bashed. But its ok. My words have been twisted enough that im confused now. N im tired. Noone said anything that made sense yet about stopping violence. Just keep telling me im blaming whites. Which is not true. But no real answers. So i say, hey forget it. Every man for himself in these streets. Thats what blks have been saying from the start. Its a cold world that you can be abused for centuries as a race, and forced to back of buses, and no education for generations, and now you want blks as a whole to get their **** together with their first generation of freedom??? We just started having people in college. We just started being able to take a **** in a white mans toilet in 1970s. But now nationwide blks should be in college bettering themselves already? When like i said, we still deal with racist whites everyday. You want a whole culture to better overnight, dispite failing schools, gang and drugs wars in your back yard. Your big brother being shot in his head infront of you at 10. And you dont get why our youth is so screwed up? Bc of what they deal with and see everyday. U cant focus on college when your hungry at home, your being forced to join a gamg bc drug money is too important to the gangs, then letting kids go to school. And your mad that majority of these young blks/latinos cant make it out of the ghettos unscared.

[snapshot]

If we want to better understand circumstances of all of us, we should try and walk in the shoes of others to better understand. I agree with a lot of what Kendllb360 and others have to say here. How he or anyone here writes there opinions is not nearly as important as what they are trying to say. There is no easy fix to the problems our country has this day and age. If we dont start respecting each others opinions, people a hundred years from now will still be wondering how to fix what we are talking about today. In my opinion, we better start voting not for Democrat or Republican,but for those who will promise to do the right things for our country. If they dont keep there promises get rid of them. I know this is asking a lot of citizens this day and age, or any age.

[EngChi]

as others say it - welcome to the forum!

also, as others may said it - I agree with some of the things you have said , disagree with others , and not sure about some. you will probably see that reasonable people are willing to

- hear you (and try to understand you)

- respect your thoughts and opinion

- respectfully may or may not agree with you...

 

from my viewpoint as libertarian leaning Russian immigrant , it is pretty simple - decriminalize as much drugs as possible , people have freedom to chose what they do their life and own consequences of such actions. there is nothing more or less criminal in pot vs say tobacco vs alcohol. This country tried that before and anywhere it is tried, it never works. same way with guns - coming from Soviet Union where it was absolutely and completely illegal to own anything for self defense, only criminals had guns.

The areas where I may disagree with you is the whole racism B.S. and thousand year claims of oppression - as first generation immigrant I strongly deject the real racism I see in things like Affirmative Action , or any other attempts to somehow blame me or my kids and get credit at our expense for something

- you personally have not experienced (slavery as example)

- have no claim to

 

And for history buffs, prior to 1861 95% of Russian Empire population were slaves of the landowners, significantly higher than the percentages here in US or even in the South. Full slavery , head on, ability to buy/sell, kill at will , etc. and have been slaves from 14th century forward (much before first slave ships appear in US or what would become US) Do all Russians (and every other nation living in former Soviet Union) now get to demand special treatment and rights, and privilege? No, we pull ourselves up by shoestrings if we have to, work, learn (especially learn, as that is something that could never be taken away from you), and prosper. two world wars, tens of millions dead, massive concentration camps, inhuman monstrous regimes before and after our revolutions - all of the things that would make life in US in 20th century to be resort like compare to what Russia went through. no complains, live , own your life, and prosper (or die trying).

[KENDLLB360]

I agree 100%. So guess we should leave it how it is. N lets let the gamgs keep supplying drugs til they are all richer than the gov. Then they can keep buying politicians, el chapo can keep escaping. And keep building his pocketbook. Til before you know, the gangs out number and power the army, and the gov. Then take over this country piece by piece. Then, we will have to have a civil war here on hometurf against these rebels who we HELPED get their riches by selling drugs. Drugs that could have been legalized. Prostitution, that cant be controled by gangs or cartels. Women can prostitute themselves without a mans help. So no solid point there. As far as everything else, thats why we have our gun rights. Protect your selves. Your own homes. Your own families. Thats all you can do. But one thing for sure, why keep letting illegal drug sales be the criminals MAIN sorce of income? Thats where the money is at. Drugs. Not robbing banks, i dont even think its that easy anymore. This isnt al capoke days. Where now bank robberies will increase and blah blah blah. And prostitution isnt a real money buisness anyway. Its ok. But no illegal buisness in the world, brings in the kind of revenue, as does the drug trade. No other criminal buisness, is as lucrative, as or deadly, as the drug trade. None. That is where cartels came from. Its how gangs grow in numbers. And buy guns. Yea they can make money stealing, pimping, robbing, but their REAL income is drugs. Bottomline. You cant tell me otherwise. So legalize everything in the book, except for murder. Rape. Child molestation, robbery, etc.Those things should never be ok. But as far as the rest, what do we have to lose? People who smoke crack, already smoke it now, people who pay for hookers, already do it now. So whats the difference? Cant be too easy or laid back of a society? We got these laes now, making everything illegal. But noones following them. We are wasting money, resources, and time.

[KENDLLB360]

For engchi...

i appreciate your post. You were at least respectful in it. Thankyou.

 

 

But honestly. No disrespect but if your ruzsian, than your white too. We dont care about how whites were racist to other whites. You can understand where im coming from. Its not ok by any means the way things went on. But you cant compare that to what blks went thru in this country. And no, i was never a real slave. I wasnt whipped daily. But i do feel its relevant to today. If your whole generation of heritage has been misused since then til now. What do you expect? We already had broken spirits. As slaves. Its a ethnic mindset that is stuck in many blks. They still feel like salves. Their minds are still stuck in the back of the bus. If you understand me. Why?? Bc thats all they see. I said a thousand times how we are harassed by white cops daily. But noone comments on that. I said how they squeezed my genitals til i cried. No one comment on that. I said how the violate our rightseveryday. Noone responds to that abise. Thats what we see from birth onward. So forgive us for feeling like the world is against us. Forgive us if our school systems suck and we dont learn anything. Forgive us if our dads are drug addicts and mom works three jobs, and your typical teenager cant focus on good grades bc he has to cook for his brothers and sisters. Instead of focusing on school. Yea we can just blame these people for not taking advantage of education that we just recently been able to even get. Even though its below where standards should be. You talk about social statuses. And hard work. But most of you dont come from the same background as we do. Most of you didnt fight the struggles we fight to stay alive every day. You want to put all blks in the boat with the thugs. But thats not the case. Not all in the hood, are making it that way. Some are just born there. And when the only white face you see, is the one hopping out on you everyday with guns, then what you expect blks to think? When did any of you good old white guys take a drive threw my neighborhood lately? Just to see the comditions? Or do you avoid my neighborhood? Cause you dont want to be robbed. Or shot. Well just imagine how the residents there feel. They wish they could avoid it. But 9out of 10. They cant. They have to live it. Hoping one day to get out. N leave the rest behind who couldnt get out. But then, with that attitude. Nothing would ever change for that neighborhood. Because the ones who could get out, did just that. They ran. Far away. Not their problem anymore huh.

[Talonap]

Welcome to IC. How about building more prisons and putting criminals/gang members behind bars for 20 or 30 years and KEEP them there for the entire time? None of this, "Early Release", or, "Rehabilitation", garbage! As it is now, there is no reason for most criminals to fear getting caught because they know they will get a slap on the wrist for their crimes. Maybe we need to have an entire city set aside as a prison. (Anyone ever see, "Escape From New York")? Get the criminals off the street and keep them locked up!

 

As far as making all drugs legal, I don't think I'd really want to be in a world where there were thousands of people are walking around drugged up, driving, carrying firearms, etc. There is already enough damage done by drunk drivers. People do have the right to do as they want with their own lives, but only until it interferes with the rights of others to live theirs.

 

One last thing. Why does everything these days have to have the, "Race Card", brought into it? Not saying this pertains to you, but it seems some people don't want just, "Equal Rights", they want to be, "More Equal".

[KENDLLB360]

Whites hirting whites is not racism. Nor blks hurting blks. Thats just called self destruction. Racism, is one race, hating another race. Jews, russians, british, your all white to us. Mayb your not to yourselves. But to us you are. Theres only a few races in our opinion. Asian, spanish, whites, and blacks. Evety other ethnic group can pretty much fall inline under one of those titles. So a jew against a iltalian. Is still white on white in our eyes. But a russian, hurting a asian, would be racism.

[Mr. Fife]

Whats OP??? FIFE?? I KEEP SEEING OP, OP, OP

 

That would be you, my friend. That would be you.

You are OP, and I don't mean Andy's kid either.

[defaultdotxbe]

Whites hirting whites is not racism. Nor blks hurting blks. Thats just called self destruction. Racism, is one race, hating another race. Jews, russians, british, your all white to us. Mayb your not to yourselves. But to us you are. Theres only a few races in our opinion. Asian, spanish, whites, and blacks. Evety other ethnic group can pretty much fall inline under one of those titles. So a jew against a iltalian. Is still white on white in our eyes. But a russian, hurting a asian, would be racism.

Therein lies part of the problem, assuming every time there is violence the motivation must be racism

 

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[Molly B.]

 

 

OP, you always vote Democratic, don't you?

 

That's a rather leading question. How about, do you research candidates and find the ones who support the Second Amendment and vote for them?

Dang right I do. And I don't vote D. Period.

 

I also make close to the $70K the OP mentioned, work my arse off for it. Stay out of trouble. I always have. And have had absolutely no trouble passing multiple background Federal background checks for work, let alone background checks for FOID, CCL, and multiple non-resident carry permits. I'm a respectable woman, support myself with no help from anyone else, pay ridiculous taxes, and can't abide people who have a crappy work ethic.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, Marie. I was not questioning you, I know you and where you stand. I was rephrasing your question for KENDLLB.

[KENDLLB360]

I want to say for marie..i didnt know OP was me...but i dont vote. You have to understand that in my world, we feel like our voice doesnt matter. Our votes dont count in our opinion.honestly i dont feel like my vote makes a difference. I wish i did feel different. But so far, who have you voted for in life that actually won and made a difference in anything??? I mean a real difference. Politicians talk good to win the vote, like rahm emaanuel. Now he got his position, and curruption continued. Nothing changed. I dont put my trust or faith in one man to change society conditions. We all have to work together.its not about who we elect to office, its about geting the masses together unified. Not about voting the perfect guy into office. Cause there is no perfect candidate. No one man can make changes. But a mass pf like minded individuals can.

[KENDLLB360]

Every camdidate is perfect candidate to the people who follow him,until they get into office, and money, greed and power clouds their thinking. Or gangs threaten them to do certain things or risk being killed. Politicians are humans too. Who fear, and bleed like everyone else. They can talk the talk. N flip the script once in office.