Molly B. Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:25 PM Posted May 16, 2011 at 03:25 PM The text of the lawsuit. NRA Lawsuit.pdf
sirflyguy Posted May 16, 2011 at 04:23 PM Posted May 16, 2011 at 04:23 PM It is a sad state of affairs that a poor elderly woman has to be beaten almost to death because of our state "laws" for "safety". Even sadder that this isn't an isolated incident. Thanks for posting this pdf of the suit. Go get 'em!
Tvandermyde Posted May 16, 2011 at 06:56 PM Posted May 16, 2011 at 06:56 PM There will be an update by the lawyer Bill Howard this afternoon at 4pm on nra news daily update I will be on tonight at 9:20
Sigma Posted May 16, 2011 at 09:38 PM Posted May 16, 2011 at 09:38 PM I cant see how they can argue against that
TTIN Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:27 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:27 AM Did I read the alert correctly that the case will be debated in Benton?
Molly B. Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:38 AM Author Posted May 17, 2011 at 12:38 AM Did I read the alert correctly that the case will be debated in Benton?IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURTFOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOISBENTON DIVISION
Sigma Posted May 17, 2011 at 01:42 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 01:42 AM So who will this be appealed to?
TTIN Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:41 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:41 AM Did I read the alert correctly that the case will be debated in Benton?IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURTFOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOISBENTON DIVISIONSave you a seat, Molly?
Molly B. Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:49 AM Author Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:49 AM Save you a seat, Molly? And one for Mr. B too!!! We can hardly wait!!
papa Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:55 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 02:55 AM Save you a seat, Molly? And one for Mr. B too!!! We can hardly wait!! Make room for me also guys.
xbaltzx Posted May 17, 2011 at 03:10 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 03:10 AM Did I read the alert correctly that the case will be debated in Benton?IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURTFOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOISBENTON DIVISION Can we get a link to the alert, information about the debate? Thanks,
sirflyguy Posted May 17, 2011 at 03:15 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 03:15 AM Please let us know when it is set for debate. I am not far away and would like to see it if possible.
Davey Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM I cant see how they can argue against that They'll just say... "it's in the state's interest to protect citizens from gun violence bla bla insert more hippy BS here" They'll also say that Heller and McDonald never said that the 2A apply to carrying guns outside the home. However, if I'm not mistaken, neither one of them ever excluded carrying outside the home either. Heller only said "most notably" in the home or some such. That's what they'll say.
Federal Farmer Posted May 17, 2011 at 01:35 PM Posted May 17, 2011 at 01:35 PM So who will this be appealed to? It would be appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, probably a panel containing our 'friends' Posner and Easterbrook.
Sigma Posted May 17, 2011 at 09:52 PM Posted May 17, 2011 at 09:52 PM so the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals is a good thing?
XJCraver Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:27 PM Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:27 PM One question... Why, throughout the entire complaint, is the word "handgun" used?? Wouldn't a more appropriate word be "firearm"? Is there a specific reason "handgun" was used? Overall, a good complaint. How do our chances go in Benton? I grew up in that area, but don't ever recall a 2nd Amendment case being heard down there.
Lou Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:42 PM Posted May 17, 2011 at 10:42 PM So who will this be appealed to? It would be appealed to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago, probably a panel containing our 'friends' Posner and Easterbrook. Thereby guaranteeing an appeal to SCOTUS.
PPK Posted May 18, 2011 at 02:27 AM Posted May 18, 2011 at 02:27 AM so the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals is a good thing? The word friends was in single qoutation marks. It was meant to be facetious. Posner & Easterbrook are not friends of the 2A
wazzle Posted May 18, 2011 at 03:45 PM Posted May 18, 2011 at 03:45 PM How are cases like this heard? Is it just in front of a Judge, or is a jury involved?
Federal Farmer Posted May 18, 2011 at 04:05 PM Posted May 18, 2011 at 04:05 PM How are cases like this heard? Is it just in front of a Judge, or is a jury involved? Judge. No jury. I think it is technically possible to get it before a jury (at the District Court level) but most don't prefer that route.
wazzle Posted May 18, 2011 at 04:19 PM Posted May 18, 2011 at 04:19 PM How are cases like this heard? Is it just in front of a Judge, or is a jury involved? Judge. No jury. I think it is technically possible to get it before a jury (at the District Court level) but most don't prefer that route. A jury of people from southern Illinois may be a positive thing.
TTIN Posted May 18, 2011 at 08:05 PM Posted May 18, 2011 at 08:05 PM How are cases like this heard? Is it just in front of a Judge, or is a jury involved? Judge. No jury. I think it is technically possible to get it before a jury (at the District Court level) but most don't prefer that route. A jury of people from southern Illinois may be a positive thing. I'd volunteer for that jury.
blackhalo Posted May 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM Posted May 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM It would be before a judge as no facts are disputed. If it's purely a matter of law, a judge will decide it.
illhunter Posted May 27, 2011 at 02:50 PM Posted May 27, 2011 at 02:50 PM I anticipate two years to a positive decision (SCOTUS)and then what, more shenanagins like Daley outlawing gun stores after McDonald. The fight will continue, before this is decided, Illinois will be the only state without carry. Wisconsin is done before summer recess. G_d save the 5 conservative justices of the USSC, if any of them die or quit, it will be impossible to get a fair shake. The Illinois courts are packed with liberal appointees and the chances of any legislation passing just went further south than Benton. It may come to civil disobedience and if the 2012 elections do not improve on the piddling changes made in Illinois in Nov 2010, we are collectively fubar.
stm Posted May 27, 2011 at 06:15 PM Posted May 27, 2011 at 06:15 PM I anticipate two years to a positive decision (SCOTUS)and then what, more shenanagins like Daley outlawing gun stores after McDonald. The fight will continue, before this is decided, Illinois will be the only state without carry. Wisconsin is done before summer recess. G_d save the 5 conservative justices of the USSC, if any of them die or quit, it will be impossible to get a fair shake. The Illinois courts are packed with liberal appointees and the chances of any legislation passing just went further south than Benton. It may come to civil disobedience and if the 2012 elections do not improve on the piddling changes made in Illinois in Nov 2010, we are collectively fubar.To the best of my knowledge, judges at the state level in Illinois are elected, and they show up on the ballot every few years for retention. Federal judges are appointed by the President and confirmed by the US Senate. You can usually (but not always) gauge a federal judge's political leanings by the President who appointed them.
junglebob Posted May 27, 2011 at 06:32 PM Posted May 27, 2011 at 06:32 PM Please let us know when it is set for debate. I am not far away and would like to see it if possible.Yes, I'd like to know the date for the court case as well. I'd like to hear it if it is open to the public.
papa Posted May 27, 2011 at 07:05 PM Posted May 27, 2011 at 07:05 PM From what I am reading here we better get there early if we want a seat.
junglebob Posted May 28, 2011 at 03:07 AM Posted May 28, 2011 at 03:07 AM The text of the lawsuit. NRA Lawsuit.pdfThe text of the lawsuit says Mary Shepard had a LTC from Pennsylvania and Florida allowing her to carry in Pa and Florida, they should have said she is allowed to carry in 30 states.
abolt243 Posted May 28, 2011 at 02:59 PM Posted May 28, 2011 at 02:59 PM The text of the lawsuit. NRA Lawsuit.pdfThe text of the lawsuit says Mary Shepard had a LTC from Pennsylvania and Florida allowing her to carry in Pa and Florida, they should have said she is allowed to carry in 30 states. Including IN, KY and MO, all about 30 miles or less from her home.
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