1st week of Gun Apps.....

[Beezil]

Heard a quick report on 780 AM yesterday afternoon that only 11 gun applications were turned in during the first week of the new ordinance.....

 

http://wbbm.cbslocal.com/2010/07/20/chicago-logs-11-applications-for-gun-permits/

 

anyone else seen anything in the news?

[burningspear]

There are thousands of guns and thousands of gun owners in Chicago. Most of them are good, peaceable citizens who will ignore the onerous registration procedures, just as they ignored the handgun ban.

[Federal Farmer]

There are thousands of guns and thousands of gun owners in Chicago. Most of them are good, peaceable citizens who will ignore the onerous registration procedures, just as they ignored the handgun ban.

 

Personally I feel that is a mistake. Chicago greatly jacked up the fines and penalties for not registering.

[STEALTH]

I do hope they all apply and atleast follow the laws until something is done legally to have them changed. I can understand why the good citizens may have had firearms, but now that its not against the law to have them, they should go through the legal process just to be safe and not seen as criminals.

[chicago guy]

Big surprise! Only 11 applications the first week.

 

Well, I guess the "put as many roadblocks as we can" philosophy is working. Midwest Guns has lots of training dates already filled, so how quickly can chicago residents get it all together to apply? I my class doesn't meet until August 28. I assume lots of Chicagoians don't have FOIDS. There's another month, at least.

 

Still, we're getting there. A sixty-eight woman I know is going to take the class with me. She's talking it up with all her "senior friends." Maybe, just maybe, Daley (and Emanuel, if he's next) are in for a surprise themselves.

[lieut89]

I figure the lesser, the better. this ordinance is a farce, and a slap in the face to the recent rulings of both Heller and McDonald. If I am not mistaken, D.C. had the same go on after the enaction of their absurd retort to the SCOTUS ruling in Heller

[Yas]

There are thousands of guns and thousands of gun owners in Chicago. Most of them are good, peaceable citizens who will ignore the onerous registration procedures, just as they ignored the handgun ban.

 

Personally I feel that is a mistake. Chicago greatly jacked up the fines and penalties for not registering.

Well if the CAGE units start raiding houses before election time, that will go over really well.

[anonymous too]

Personally I feel that is a mistake. Chicago greatly jacked up the fines and penalties for not registering.

 

So ya think Jody will go after all the BG's in illegal possesion and fine them too?

[Beezil]

Big surprise! Only 11 applications the first week.

 

Well, I guess the "put as many roadblocks as we can" philosophy is working. Midwest Guns has lots of training dates already filled, so how quickly can chicago residents get it all together to apply? I my class doesn't meet until August 28. I assume lots of Chicagoians don't have FOIDS. There's another month, at least.

 

Still, we're getting there. A sixty-eight woman I know is going to take the class with me. She's talking it up with all her "senior friends." Maybe, just maybe, Daley (and Emanuel, if he's next) are in for a surprise themselves.

 

so you signed up for a class?

 

and you'll register?

 

I realize i am asking a personal question here.

 

feel free to NOT respond.

[markthesignguy]

A more telling question is has the ISP seen a jump in FOID applications?

 

I reminded my Dad he didn't have to have the FOID in place to complete the training portion.

[JackTripper]

Under more 'normal' circumstances, does anyone know how long it takes to process a FOID? Their page says not to call until 30 days after they have cashed your check.

 

Mine cleared last Friday

 

A more telling question is has the ISP seen a jump in FOID applications?

 

I reminded my Dad he didn't have to have the FOID in place to complete the training portion.

[Jeffrey]

Under more 'normal' circumstances, does anyone know how long it takes to process a FOID? Their page says not to call until 30 days after they have cashed your check.

 

Mine cleared last Friday

 

 

On day 31 you should be calling for an update if you have not gotten a word back from the state.

[Buzzard]

Looking back to the menagerie of questions that Beezil and I fielded at the IllinoisCarry table at SAFR, most Chicagoans still don't know what it takes to have a gun in Chicago. Some were unaware that they first needed a FOID. Many just thought they "needed to fill out a form." I imagine there are some surprised citizens, when they find out how many hoops they have to jump through.

[Beezil]

A more telling question is has the ISP seen a jump in FOID applications?

 

I reminded my Dad he didn't have to have the FOID in place to complete the training portion.

 

Some of the chicago media outlets are using this to explain the low numbers.

 

They've actually convinced themselves that NO ONE had a FOID or any guns before the decision, which is ridiculous.

 

They've attributed the low "interest" in the chicago registration on the waiting period of the FOID, which I think only accounts for only a minuscule percentage of cases.

[chicago guy]

so you signed up for a class?

 

and you'll register?

 

I realize i am asking a personal question here.

 

feel free to NOT respond.

 

 

 

Signed up for a class -- haven't decided about registering yet.

[RandyP]

registered for a class...and then will wait a couple months to find out how the court cases go.

[Beezil]

Looking back to the menagerie of questions that Beezil and I fielded at the IllinoisCarry table at SAFR, most Chicagoans still don't know what it takes to have a gun in Chicago. Some were unaware that they first needed a FOID. Many just thought they "needed to fill out a form." I imagine there are some surprised citizens, when they find out how many hoops they have to jump through.

 

Buzz, 'twas writing my response while you were typing yours. You are correct, it was a bit surprising.....and the next time IC presents an event, we oughta' have FOID applications available. What McDonald vs. Chicago was succesful in doing, was to create awareness among chicago residents, their exposure to society's "base creatures". The McDonald decision, ANY media coverage of it, our SAFR event certainly planted seeds....."Yeah, I SHOULD own a gun and protect myself!"

 

I still feel that most chicagoans who would own a handgun post-mcdonald probably already hold a FOID.

[Beezil]

so you signed up for a class?

 

and you'll register?

 

I realize i am asking a personal question here.

 

feel free to NOT respond.

 

 

 

Signed up for a class -- haven't decided about registering yet.

 

 

If you are taking a class to enhance your own safety and proficiency, or perhaps to qualify for an out-of-state CWP, cool!

 

I would have difficulty paying any amount of money for any class for the specific purpose of fulfilling Chicago's registration obligations without there being certainty that the class would be honored.......especially since I've already spent money on paperwork, finger-printing, classroom and live-fire training that fulfills the obligations of at least 6 other states!

 

just my opinion.

[Federal Farmer]

so you signed up for a class?

 

and you'll register?

 

I realize i am asking a personal question here.

 

feel free to NOT respond.

 

 

 

Signed up for a class -- haven't decided about registering yet.

 

I've got the training done. I'll be registering almost my entire collection soon.

[abolt243]

Under more 'normal' circumstances, does anyone know how long it takes to process a FOID? Their page says not to call until 30 days after they have cashed your check.

 

Mine cleared last Friday

 

A more telling question is has the ISP seen a jump in FOID applications?

 

I reminded my Dad he didn't have to have the FOID in place to complete the training portion.

 

Lately I've heard 2 weeks to a little over 30 days. As Jeffrey says, if you don't have it on the 31st day from the day the check clears, call them. I suggest that you spend the extra $5.54 and mail it certified mail, receipt requested. Then you'll know exactly when they recieve it. The law says 30 days after receipt, not check cleared. It's also 30 calendar days, no mention of business days in the law.

 

If you get no satisfaction from the ISP on the 31 day phone call, call your state Senator and Representative. The can intervene for you and you'll have it in less than a week. If they won't help, vote them out of office.

 

Sorry to ramble, but I very grudgingly accept the existence of the FOID as a necessary evil for a few years. I figure that if we must put up with it for a while, they ought to be made to play by their own rules!!

 

Send in the app, call in 31 days. You may get lucky and get it sooner.

[JackTripper]

There are thousands of guns and thousands of gun owners in Chicago. Most of them are good, peaceable citizens who will ignore the onerous registration procedures, just as they ignored the handgun ban.

 

Personally I feel that is a mistake. Chicago greatly jacked up the fines and penalties for not registering.

Ouch! Just looked at the penalty section. $1000-$5000 fine + 20-90 days in the joint, per violation (read, weapon).

[burningspear]

Where did the Chicago residents who turned in guns during the days of the ban keep the guns before turning them in? In their Chicago homes. I believe that most of those who turned the guns in did not have FOID cards, yet thousands of guns were gathered from all over the city. Likewise, there are, I suggest, still thousands of guns throughout the city, owned by good people, who don't have FOID cards or city registration certificates, despite the enormous and unreasonable fines and penalties.

[RandyP]

and lots and lots of legally acquired fireaarms by FOID card holders who chose to ignore the ban and have kept them at home without incident or problem.

[Skorpius]

I live in Chicago and do not yet own a gun, but I certainly won't be buying anything until these ridiculous requirements are struck down. I will NOT register a gun so it can be taken away when it is deemed necessary.

[Beezil]

I live in Chicago and do not yet own a gun, but I certainly won't be buying anything until these ridiculous requirements are struck down. I will NOT register a gun so it can be taken away when it is deemed necessary.

 

Let it be clear.....you may OWN a gun. You could OWN a gun before.

 

Long guns still require registration, but it is much easier to do and not as expensive.....

 

I would hate to think that you are rendering yourself defenseless in spite of the unconstitutional post-mcdonald ordinance.

[JackTripper]

I live in Chicago and do not yet own a gun, but I certainly won't be buying anything until these ridiculous requirements are struck down. I will NOT register a gun so it can be taken away when it is deemed necessary.

 

Let it be clear.....you may OWN a gun. You could OWN a gun before.

 

Long guns still require registration, but it is much easier to do and not as expensive.....

 

I would hate to think that you are rendering yourself defenseless in spite of the unconstitutional post-mcdonald ordinance.

 

My read of the regulation is that long guns now are the same as handguns-

You need a FOID

You need 5 hours training

You need a $100 CFP every 3 years (fingerprints)

You need to register each long gun, each year, for $15

[Federal Farmer]

I live in Chicago and do not yet own a gun, but I certainly won't be buying anything until these ridiculous requirements are struck down. I will NOT register a gun so it can be taken away when it is deemed necessary.

 

Let it be clear.....you may OWN a gun. You could OWN a gun before.

 

Long guns still require registration, but it is much easier to do and not as expensive.....

 

I would hate to think that you are rendering yourself defenseless in spite of the unconstitutional post-mcdonald ordinance.

 

My read of the regulation is that long guns now are the same as handguns-

You need a FOID

You need 5 hours training

You need a $100 CFP every 3 years (fingerprints)

You need to register each long gun, each year, for $15

 

Yes, the only difference is that you may only register 1 handgun/month. The number of long arms registerable is unlimited.

[soundguy]

Where did the Chicago residents who turned in guns during the days of the ban keep the guns before turning them in? In their Chicago homes. I believe that most of those who turned the guns in did not have FOID cards, yet thousands of guns were gathered from all over the city. Likewise, there are, I suggest, still thousands of guns throughout the city, owned by good people, who don't have FOID cards or city registration certificates, despite the enormous and unreasonable fines and penalties.

And most of them... From great neighborhoods to those least desirable will continue on as they have for years. I wonder what would happen if at the end of the first 90 days of the new law, no NEW gun owners had applied for the CFP?

[JackTripper]

For me, my not having a hand gun prior, and my willingness to jump through their registration hoops now, comes from my desire to stay out of trouble. Put most simply, as a successful businessman, I have a lot to lose, should I be charged/convicted with a felony. I know I am in the minority here, but owning a gun is not a hot button issue for me. I think the most accurate way for me to describe it is, "insurance."

I know that a home invasion type scenario is statistically very low. I live in a gated 20 unit townhouse development near Wrigley Field, where there hasn't been a burglary in the 9 years I have lived there.

BUT, should something ever go down, I want to be ready for it. Probably also why I have a week of freeze dried food/water at my place too

[soundguy]

For me, my not having a hand gun prior, and my willingness to jump through their registration hoops now, comes from my desire to stay out of trouble. Put most simply, as a successful businessman, I have a lot to lose, should I be charged/convicted with a felony. I know I am in the minority here, but owning a gun is not a hot button issue for me. I think the most accurate way for me to describe it is, "insurance."

I know that a home invasion type scenario is statistically very low. I live in a gated 20 unit townhouse development near Wrigley Field, where there hasn't been a burglary in the 9 years I have lived there.

BUT, should something ever go down, I want to be ready for it. Probably also why I have a week of freeze dried food/water at my place too

I will never advocate breaking the law/rules to anyone. Totally understand the concept of insurance and working within the rules. Violating the CFP is not a felony, And yet it could be.a pretty nasty time for anyone violating it. I know of many people (I talk alot and listen well) that not only have kept guns in their homes, but have failed to maintain their FOID cards. For this, I always recommend they renew them.

 

I have hope that the new gun law will be overturned...or that qualified NRA trainers will be able to certify for the required course. If you are new to firearms, some form of training is essential, I think. Mandated or not. I just don't think the Chicago madate is appropriate, constitutional or necessary.