InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:24 AM Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:24 AM (edited) Could not get the board to display image although it shows in Post Preview *dunno* https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1125467760631398401/_BRZSBSu?format=jpg&name=medium"]https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1125467760631398401/_BRZSBSu?format=jpg&name=medium https://sigalelaw.com/sigale-challenges-injustices-of-concealed-carry-application-process/ The Law Firm of David G. Sigale, P.C. is co-counsel in the cause of Michael White, who has for years attempted to obtain an Illinois concealed carry license. His case has repeatedly been referred to the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board, where the false presumptions about long-ago alleged occurrences, and the lack of a hearing to be allowed to rebut them, have repeatedly resulted in a wrongful denial of Mr. Whites application. The CCL system thus has not only denied Mr. Whites application up until now, but works to guarantee that he will never be able to meet the artificial standards imposed by the Review Board. The Firm has joined a lawsuit to challenge this unconstitutional denial of Mr. Whites Second Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights. If you have had problems dealing with the Review Board or the CCL application process in general, please contact the Firm for a consultation. Edited May 8, 2019 at 05:49 AM by InterestedBystander
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:28 AM Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:28 AM About time. With all of the members here there should be a lot of plaintiffs.
InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:39 AM Author Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:39 AM I might be IN.Eh? I looked first if I should be IN and did not find any reference to a White/ISRA case. Of course that does not mean there was not one
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:55 AM Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:55 AM I would like to see the whole application process get challenged not just the CCLRB. There's so many over burdensome requirements and challenges to just apply for a license which makes it so difficult. Let alone just trying to make contact with the ISP.
Black Flag Posted May 8, 2019 at 04:41 AM Posted May 8, 2019 at 04:41 AM I found the complaint.Michael-White-and-ISRA-Complaint4096-1.pdf
InterestedBystander Posted May 8, 2019 at 05:29 AM Author Posted May 8, 2019 at 05:29 AM (edited) I found the complaint.Thanks. Where did you find it i.e. do you have a direct link to a court website? edit: https://sigalelaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Michael-White-and-ISRA-Complaint4096-1.pdf Edited May 10, 2019 at 10:24 AM by InterestedBystander
Flynn Posted May 8, 2019 at 06:25 AM Posted May 8, 2019 at 06:25 AM The entire preponderance of the evidence, threshold being used to deny a right just smacks the 5th and 14th (as well as court precedent) in the face!
TomKoz Posted May 8, 2019 at 12:31 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 12:31 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:54 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 01:54 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately.
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:34 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:34 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately. How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan?
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:53 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 02:53 PM Maybe we will see a ruling in say 8-9 years !!!There is the problem. 2nd amendment cases should be heard and decided upon immediately. How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan? I'm not quite sure, but look at some of the other cases. Wilson v Cook County. That has been going on for almost a decade.
Black Flag Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:08 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:08 PM I found the complaint.Thanks. Where did you find it i.e. do you have a direct link to a court website? I did a search. https://www.google.com/search?q=michael+white+ISRA
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:17 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:17 PM How long did McDonald v Chicago take? Moore v Madigan? I'm not quite sure, but look at some of the other cases. Wilson v Cook County. That has been going on for almost a decade. McDonald v Chicago: Filed in June of 2008, ruled on by SCOTUS in June of 2010; Moore v Madigan: Filed in May of 2011, decided in Dec 2012, with an additional decree in Feb 2013Shepard v Madigan, later combined with Moore, was also filed in 2011. Wilson is another circumstance. It was a state case, but has been refiled as a Federal case.
THE KING Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:35 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 03:35 PM No, Wilson is another case in regards to the second amendment. It's no just another circumstance. My point is that every case that involves the Second amendment should be heard with due diligence and in a timely manner. Not just the cases they decide to hear.
mikew Posted May 8, 2019 at 07:17 PM Posted May 8, 2019 at 07:17 PM No, Wilson is another case in regards to the second amendment. It's no just another circumstance. My point is that every case that involves the Second amendment should be heard with due diligence and in a timely manner. Not just the cases they decide to hear.What we want does not always line up with what we get. Yes, Wilson is an important second amendment case, and how it got where it is now is a different narrative. Yes, the courts should hear all cases the way we want them heard, and when. "-) And, FYI, Mr Wilson is a member here.
mab22 Posted May 9, 2019 at 08:56 PM Posted May 9, 2019 at 08:56 PM So in this case, you can be on a “list” and that list does not prohibit you from getting a FOID and legally purchasing a firearm, BUT if you want a permit to legally carry it in public.... No! But you can own a firearm. Makes no sense.Welcome to Illinoisistania.
InterestedBystander Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:51 PM Author Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:51 PM David Sigale ?Yes, the attorney co-counsel who has been on a number of 2A cases...and????
JTHunter Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:57 PM Posted May 9, 2019 at 09:57 PM I found the complaint. Good grief ! That PDF reads like a laundry list of errors. It is interesting to note that this case involves those licensed thugs in C®ook County and the CPD. No surprise there. The "victim" has been darted.
ChicagoRonin70 Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:46 AM Posted May 10, 2019 at 05:46 AM Again, I think I need to eventually contact this David Sigale fellow.
InterestedBystander Posted May 10, 2019 at 10:21 AM Author Posted May 10, 2019 at 10:21 AM (edited) *delete* Edited May 10, 2019 at 10:23 AM by InterestedBystander
mikew Posted May 10, 2019 at 01:04 PM Posted May 10, 2019 at 01:04 PM David Sigale ?What about Mr. Sigale? He wins cases.
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