Elmer Fudd Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:20 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:20 PM Well...there was rather healthy debate over whether the Libertarian candidate, Chad Grimm's presence was going to have an impact on the Illinois Governor's race. The Chicago Tribune published an article today that indicates that Grimm is currently on track to receive somewhere around four percent of the vote. The article currently shows Rauner ahead of Quinn by two percent...which is well within the 3.5 percent margin of error. What does that mean....well it quite likely means that if the four percent represents votes that Rauner would have received if Grimm wasn't there it will explain why Rauner loses the election to Quinn if the poll is accurate. Hence, rather than merely being speculation, it appears that there is a very real chance that Grimm's being on the ballot is going to result in four more years of Gov. Jello....higher income taxes, more attempts at an AWB and everything else we have come to detest. The article is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:28 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:28 PM not sure why that is pigs are flying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mostholycerebus Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:36 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:36 PM I think you mean, the Republican partys choice to push Rauner is going to drive away the 4% of socially-moderate fiscal-conservatives (Libertarians) he needed to win the election. TL;DR: ® went with someone unelectable again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:37 PM Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:37 PM not sure why that is pigs are flyingThe title of the original thread was ....When Pigs Fly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:39 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:39 PM Yeah, I don't get it. I'm not surprised that Quinn has a good shot at being reelected. Not surprised one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitter Clinger Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:41 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:41 PM The pigs are grounded due to bad weather. Me on the other hand, can't imagine why anyone would vote for Jello yet again after all he's done to screw us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:43 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:43 PM Who's to say that the people that are voting for Grimm were going to vote for Rauner? I personally know a handful of people that are lifelong Democrats that are voting for Grimm because they can't stand Rauner or Quinn, but have also said that if they had a choice between just Quinn and Rauner, they'd have voted Quinn. I'm not agreeing with their mindset, but just wanted to throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD123 Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:46 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 06:46 PM I don't like Rauner either, but the thought that we could end up with Quinn for another 4 years is enough to make me vote for Rauner. If the race wasn't close, I'd vote for Grimm but since it's a tight race, I want Quinn OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockman Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:07 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:07 PM If the polls do not include the third party figures then the margins of error are a lot greater than they claim. Does the poll also takes into account the disenfranchised democrat voters that will vote for Grimm instead of Quinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDEESUL Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:11 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:11 PM http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/28/f72f502612cc5a0bacad7cfa568c025a.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/28/d9b85c2999fb46420d91566f552fc98a.jpg I agree with Elmer. Throwing away votes on Grimm is basically a vote for Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:18 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:18 PM you can be pro-gun or libertarian not both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:21 PM Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:21 PM If the polls do not include the third party figures then the margins of error are a lot greater than they claim. Does the poll also takes into account the disenfranchised democrat voters that will vote for Grimm instead of Quinn?The article actually discusses both... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:27 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:27 PM So the same situation as last governor election, guess the R's didn't learn anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:27 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:27 PM you can be pro-gun or libertarian not bothhttp://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbjaxkrJzi1roglxl.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karim18 Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:48 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:48 PM If the margin of error is 3.5%... is it possible Grimm only has 0.5% of the vote? And that this is a BS excuse for either side in case they lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmer Fudd Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:55 PM Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 07:55 PM If the margin of error is 3.5%... is it possible Grimm only has 0.5% of the vote? And that this is a BS excuse for either side in case they lose?Possible but highly unlikely...the alternative end of the range is Grimm pulls 7.5% of the vote which would be huge....though it won't win an election. Once again, the primary concern, at least the way I see it is that there seems to be a significant number of people that dislike Rauner enough to place a vote for Grimm...fully realizing that he won't win....under any reasonable set of assumptions that one could envision. Therefore, anything that takes votes away from Rauner increases the chances of a win for Jello....which is the worst possible result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miztic Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:09 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:09 PM ^ Still assuming all Grimm's votes come from the R side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:37 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:37 PM I find it amazing that a union gave money to Grimm because they are afraid of Rauner and want him to loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoilpickup Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:54 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:54 PM you can be pro-gun or libertarian not both Such an inane statement, yet you keep making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomKoz Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:54 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 08:54 PM Anything the unions are against - I'm for !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spec4 Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:08 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:08 PM Grimm was on WLS this morning. Babbling idiot, sorry folks. He didn't make one statement that made sense. He also thinks he'll pull from both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyWhitey Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:09 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:09 PM Anything the unions are against - I'm for !! This^^^ Got a BIL that's a "business agent" for the carpenters union too. Even though I often spend holidays over there; I don't see him much because he's on the phone continuously "baby-sitting" disgruntled union workers!!!! Mainly because they cannot pass a piss test at X company and want him to bump them up or down for the next job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:12 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:12 PM I don't like Rauner either, but the thought that we could end up with Quinn for another 4 years is enough to make me vote for Rauner. If the race wasn't close, I'd vote for Grimm but since it's a tight race, I want Quinn OUT. Same here. Last two presidential elections voted Libertarian. Knew it would be an Obama blow-out in Illinois. But this time around voting for Rauner. Basically voted for every Republican on the ballot. Time to send a message to Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:37 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 09:37 PM Voting all republican to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:00 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:00 PM look what the librarian candidate in SC is doing - pulling out and encouraging folks to vote democratic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM look what the librarian candidate in SC is doing... Is that a party or a profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singlecoilpickup Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:04 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:04 PM look what the librarian candidate in SC is doing - pulling out and encouraging folks to vote democratic The actions of an individual do not represent an entire group. You could just as easily call this person a LINO as we call many Republicans RINOs. And further, you don't even have your facts right. The guy who dropped out in SC was a Republican and supported the Democrat. The Libertarian is still running. http://www.thestate.com/2014/10/28/3773874/ervin-drops-out-of-governors-race.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:06 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:06 PM Quinn is out by >5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WtJen Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:16 PM Quinn is out by >5%. Will probably require that margin to overcome the usual shenanigans the Democrat party will put into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM Share Posted October 28, 2014 at 10:48 PM Quinn is out by >5%.Will probably require that margin to overcome the usual shenanigans the Democrat party will put into play. I typed "5" not "50" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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