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Video and article of some highlights of the 7/17 Willis/Harmon town hall

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Bird76Mojo Member

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The elderly need their firearms more than many other groups of people.. It's the ONLY way they can level the playing field during an attack.

What in the heck is this woman smoking?

steveTA84 Member

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The elderly need their firearms more than many other groups of people.. It's the ONLY way they can level the playing field during an attack.

What in the heck is this woman smoking?

Didnt she vote to legalize MJ?.......

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Well I see they are following the new and horribly flawed 'well regulated' argument, as if regulated doesn't mean what they want it to mean isn't enough, Heller clearly state that was just one reason for of the right, the frist clause is not the right, it's really that simple.

 

Oh well, looks like they will have to be sued again shortly, the courts really need to lower the barriers for 1983 lawsuits to go forward, I would bet getting a few huge civil judgements against some of these legislators in their individual capacity would scare some stupid out of many of them.

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At just after 25:25 willis talks about how "as law enforcement officers, that's one of the worst calls that they want to have to go into, and knock on a door and ask for you to give your gun back because you legally shouldn't have it. That's not a call that any of the officer wants to go to."

 

And yet, she would send them to every gun owner's door if she could...

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At just after 25:25 willis talks about how "as law enforcement officers, that's one of the worst calls that they want to have to go into, and knock on a door and ask for you to give your gun back because you legally shouldn't have it. That's not a call that any of the officer wants to go to."

 

And yet, she would send them to every gun owner's door if she could...

I missed that. Added it in :)

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At just after 25:25 willis talks about how "as law enforcement officers, that's one of the worst calls that they want to have to go into, and knock on a door and ask for you to give your gun back because you legally shouldn't have it. That's not a call that any of the officer wants to go to."

 

And yet, she would send them to every gun owner's door if she could...

 

Her solution to that problem is simple: nobody should have guns except law enforcement.

 

She believes that "well regulated" means that the state should decide who owns firearms. The 2nd Amendment was designed to prevent people like her from overstepping their authority.

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http://www.madisonbrigade.com/library_bor.htm

 

Chief Justice Howard Taft observed that:

"[t]he Framers of our Constitution were born and brought up in the atmosphere of the common law, and thought and spoke its vocabulary. They were familiar with other forms of government, recent and ancient, and indicated in their discussions earnest study and consideration of many of them; but, when they came to put their conclusions into the form of fundamental law in a compact draft, they expressed themselves in terms of the common law, confident that they could be shortly and easily understood."

 

This analysis by Chief Justice Taft explains, in part, the confusion that has developed, especially in this century, over the interpretation of the language of the Second Amendment. The meaning of such words as "militia," "keep arms," "bear arms," "discipline," "well regulated," and "the people" was the meaning of these words as they were used in the English common law of the sixteenth through the eighteenth centuries ― not as they are used today. As Chief Justice Taft further commented:

"The language of the Constitution cannot be interpreted safely except by reference to the common law and to British institutions as they were when the instrument was framed and adopted."

 

 

David I. Caplan, who has examined this issue in depth, provides this analysis:

"In colonial times the term ‘well regulated’ meant ‘well functioning’ . . .

steveTA84 Member

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The article is spreading well. Almost 600 views since posted 12 hours ago. Other groups and people have started distributing it as well, including some of the speakers for Saturdays March For Our Rights event in Wheaton.

 

 

Edit: more than 600 now

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Mr. Harmon doesn't seem to understand that everybody in this country is militia. Per the Dick Act of 1903 the militia is comprised of 2 parts. The regular militia is the National Guard. The irregular militia is everybody else. One odd the purposes of the 2nd Amendment makes individual ownership of a firearm lawful so the irregular militia can fulfill its duty when called upon. This is where the Illinois Constitution conflicts with the 2nd Amendment. The Illinois Constitution states the governor will provide arms for the militia when it's called upon. The state constitution, ratified in 1970, seems to only consider the Illinois National Guard the only militia of the state.

 

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At just after 25:25 willis talks about how "as law enforcement officers, that's one of the worst calls that they want to have to go into, and knock on a door and ask for you to give your gun back because you legally shouldn't have it. That's not a call that any of the officer wants to go to."

 

And yet, she would send them to every gun owner's door if she could...

 

Her solution to that problem is simple: nobody should have guns except law enforcement.

 

She believes that "well regulated" means that the state should decide who owns firearms. The 2nd Amendment was designed to prevent people like her from overstepping their authority.

 

My point is that after they make guns illegal for everyone except law enforcement, they have to send those officers door to door to collect them.. which she states is the last call that any of those officers wants to take.

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Mr. Harmon doesn't seem to understand that everybody in this country is militia. Per the Dick Act of 1903 the militia is comprised of 2 parts. The regular militia is the National Guard. The irregular militia is everybody else. One odd the purposes of the 2nd Amendment makes individual ownership of a firearm lawful so the irregular militia can fulfill its duty when called upon. This is where the Illinois Constitution conflicts with the 2nd Amendment. The Illinois Constitution states the governor will provide arms for the militia when it's called upon. The state constitution, ratified in 1970, seems to only consider the Illinois National Guard the only militia of the state. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

 

SECTION 1. MEMBERSHIP The State militia consists of all able-bodied persons residing in the State except those exempted by law.

 

http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con12.htm

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Mr. Harmon doesn't seem to understand that everybody in this country is militia. Per the Dick Act of 1903 the militia is comprised of 2 parts. The regular militia is the National Guard. The irregular militia is everybody else. One odd the purposes of the 2nd Amendment makes individual ownership of a firearm lawful so the irregular militia can fulfill its duty when called upon. This is where the Illinois Constitution conflicts with the 2nd Amendment. The Illinois Constitution states the governor will provide arms for the militia when it's called upon. The state constitution, ratified in 1970, seems to only consider the Illinois National Guard the only militia of the state. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

 

SECTION 1. MEMBERSHIP The State militia consists of all able-bodied persons residing in the State except those exempted by law.

 

http://www.ilga.gov/commission/lrb/con12.htm

 

Thanks for bringing that up, I was looking for the link to point that out myself. Everyone who is able-bodied is in the Illinois State Militia already.

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