Is the 14" barrel BATFE compliant Mossberg Shockwave legal in Illinois?

[C0untZer0]

I did a little bit of searching and didn't turn up much.

 

Mossberg says in its advertising:

 

Classified as fully-compliant by the BATFE, this model requires no Tax Stamp for transfers.

 

 

 

http://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590-shockwave/

[bmyers]

Disclaimer: Although the Mossberg 590 Shockwave is classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), and is not subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA), state and local laws may be more restrictive. Even though, it is legal federally, the 590 Shockwave may be considered a “short-barreled” shotgun or “assault weapon” by certain state and local laws; and therefore illegal to possess. Please check with your local authorities concerning the legality of possessing a firearm of this configuration.

 

I wonder how Illinois views it.

[spanishjames]

Looks like a pistol to me.

[smokehouse]

Would that count at an AOW?

[C0untZer0]

Mossberg specifically says it is not an AOW and doesn't require a stamp

[IH8IL]

Disclaimer: Although the Mossberg 590 Shockwave is classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), and is not subject to the provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA), state and local laws may be more restrictive. Even though, it is legal federally, the 590 Shockwave may be considered a “short-barreled” shotgun or “assault weapon” by certain state and local laws; and therefore illegal to possess. Please check with your local authorities concerning the legality of possessing a firearm of this configuration.

 

I wonder how Illinois views it.

I inagine it is due some places having a length requirement. I think IL does have a minimum length requirement.

[anonymous too]

It's sold as a pistol and recorded that way on the 4473.

[spanishjames]

Great, now I want one.

[HeavyDuty]

I wouldn't mind one myself. It might make a good trunk pistol for when things get rough.

[C0untZer0]

I thought pistols and rifles had to be ≤.50 caliber.

[anonymous too]

Nope.

 

It's recorded as a 12 gauge pistol on the 4473 and called in as a pistol to FTIP in IL, unless you are purchasing a long gun also at the same time. It's called in as both then.

 

FYI, FTIP has 3 options: handgun, long gun, or both.

[drumgod]

I have no want or need for a pistol grip shotgun but am curious about the legal aspects. I wonder if they modified the receiver so you cannot easily install a standard stock. An ar-15 doesn't become a pistol just by sliding the stock off the buffer tube. You have to modify the tube so the stock cannot be easily replaced... Does the same sort of thing apply here?

[anonymous too]

With that BBL would be illegal to put on a stock. You could if it were a standard pistol grip with an 18" BBL.

 

Can't put a pistol grip on something sold as a long gun legally either.

 

My guess it's not modified.

 

Mossburg is just making a clarification about the 14" BBL.

[SycamoreRuger]

This article says the Mossburg needs a $5.00 NFA stamp like the Super Shorty does:
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/mossberg-unveils-new-shorties-nfa-required-compact-cruisers/

The Black Aces is a cool gun that was carefully designed from the ground up to defy conventional NFA and SBS definitions. I wouldn't want one in Illinois even if it was deemed legal because who knows what tomorrow's bureaucrats will decide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5KbWOe64g

[HeavyDuty]

This article says the Mossburg needs a $5.00 NFA stamp like the Super Shorty does:https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/mossberg-unveils-new-shorties-nfa-required-compact-cruisers/

... (snip)

 

Those are the Compact Cruiser AOWs Mossberg released last year. The Shockwave is bigger with a 26"+ OAL to avoid classification as an AOW.

[tkroenlein]

So is it legal as a smoothbore pistol designed to fire a shot shell because of the 26"+ length?

 

 

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[C0untZer0]

I don't understand the Federal law but I believe it complies with Federal law - as does the new Fostech SBV "Firearm":

 

 

I don't know if Illinois law allows it...

[anonymous too]

The above with that stock is not a pistol. Don't know what IL would think.

[spanishjames]

The above with that stock is not a pistol. Don't know what IL would think.

It's an arm brace, not a stock.

[anonymous too]

Still makes that one not a pistol, correct?

[Capt_Destro]

I have no want or need for a pistol grip shotgun but am curious about the legal aspects. I wonder if they modified the receiver so you cannot easily install a standard stock. An ar-15 doesn't become a pistol just by sliding the stock off the buffer tube. You have to modify the tube so the stock cannot be easily replaced... Does the same sort of thing apply here?

Actually incorrect. The buffer tube needs no modification.

[Tvandermyde]

Ok gang, this is where people screw up. We have federal law and we have state law. ATF may say XX but then we have to revert to state law.

 

Under federal law, suppressors are legal. Under state law, they are not.

 

Funny thing, I can't find a definition of "shotgun" in the statutes. There is this:

 

"(ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or"

 

So it is legally vague as to the state law. It could go either way with someone claiming it to be a shotgun, but then you having to prove ATF calls it something else.

[mikew]

as does the new Fostech SBV "Firearm":

I got to see these up close and personal.

 

really neet stuff.

[drumgod]

 

I have no want or need for a pistol grip shotgun but am curious about the legal aspects. I wonder if they modified the receiver so you cannot easily install a standard stock. An ar-15 doesn't become a pistol just by sliding the stock off the buffer tube. You have to modify the tube so the stock cannot be easily replaced... Does the same sort of thing apply here?

Actually incorrect. The buffer tube needs no modification.

 

 

Ahhh... Interesting. I though it was required and why pistol buffer tubes are a larger diameter. (So you can't just slide a stock on them.)

 

A quick search turned up this: https://johnpierceesq.com/which-buffer-tubes-can-i-use-on-my-ar-pistol/

 

Which states: "... it does not matter what buffer tube you use so long as you are not in possession of a buttstock that “could readily be installed” on the resulting pistol."

 

lol. So it's legal to build an ar-15 "pistol" with a standard buffer tube... but as soon as you are in possession of an ar-15 buttstock (like say, on another ar-15) it becomes an SBR? I guess that's why I thought it was required. Every pistol build I've seen that used a standard buffer filled it with epoxy or some such. It seems they were making them incapable of excepting a stock not because it was required by law, but because they wanted to make sure they couldn't be charged with "constructive intent" when owning other rifles or parts.

[Gamma]

Ok gang, this is where people screw up. We have federal law and we have state law. ATF may say XX but then we have to revert to state law.

 

Under federal law, suppressors are legal. Under state law, they are not.

 

Funny thing, I can't find a definition of "shotgun" in the statutes. There is this:

 

"(ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or"

 

So it is legally vague as to the state law. It could go either way with someone claiming it to be a shotgun, but then you having to prove ATF calls it something else.

A shotgun by definition has a stock. People want to call these "shotguns" because they fire shotshells, but they are not.

 

They are not pistols/handguns either. Dealers pick handgun when they call in FTIP because you have to be 21 to purchase anything other than a statutory long gun from a dealer, and they don't have an "other" category.

[Tvandermyde]

 

Ok gang, this is where people screw up. We have federal law and we have state law. ATF may say XX but then we have to revert to state law.

 

Under federal law, suppressors are legal. Under state law, they are not.

 

Funny thing, I can't find a definition of "shotgun" in the statutes. There is this:

 

"(ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or"

 

So it is legally vague as to the state law. It could go either way with someone claiming it to be a shotgun, but then you having to prove ATF calls it something else.

A shotgun by definition has a stock. People want to call these "shotguns" because they fire shotshells, but they are not.

 

They are not pistols/handguns either. Dealers pick handgun when they call in FTIP because you have to be 21 to purchase anything other than a statutory long gun from a dealer, and they don't have an "other" category.

 

That's your interpretation. and yes people want to and will call them shotguns because of the ammo they use. Do not confuse federal law with state law. The state can define something different than the feds.

 

Just look at "assault weapons" to the gunny, its a select fire weapon. in many state or local laws it is something completely different up to and including pump shotguns.

[anonymous too]

In the dealer section of the 4473,pistol grip shotguns are recorded as

" other " in the type of firearm transfered.

 

I'll have to go ask, but think we also recorded " other " in the firearm description.

 

I'd say it's pretty easy to prove what the ATF calls it.

 

I'll see if they have one or can get one tomorrow or sometime this week.

[Glock23]

I don't understand the Federal law but I believe it complies with Federal law - as does the new Fostech SBV "Firearm":

 

 

I don't know if Illinois law allows it...

 

$2750?!?!?

[anonymous too]

The Shockwave is legal in IL per my dealer.

 

IL considers it a handgun and OK because of overall length.

 

ATF considers it "other".

 

Not available yet, so they can't order one.

[Capt_Destro]

 

 

I have no want or need for a pistol grip shotgun but am curious about the legal aspects. I wonder if they modified the receiver so you cannot easily install a standard stock. An ar-15 doesn't become a pistol just by sliding the stock off the buffer tube. You have to modify the tube so the stock cannot be easily replaced... Does the same sort of thing apply here?

 

Actually incorrect. The buffer tube needs no modification.

Ahhh... Interesting. I though it was required and why pistol buffer tubes are a larger diameter. (So you can't just slide a stock on them.)

 

A quick search turned up this: https://johnpierceesq.com/which-buffer-tubes-can-i-use-on-my-ar-pistol/

 

Which states: "... it does not matter what buffer tube you use so long as you are not in possession of a buttstock that could readily be installed on the resulting pistol."

 

lol. So it's legal to build an ar-15 "pistol" with a standard buffer tube... but as soon as you are in possession of an ar-15 buttstock (like say, on another ar-15) it becomes an SBR? I guess that's why I thought it was required. Every pistol build I've seen that used a standard buffer filled it with epoxy or some such. It seems they were making them incapable of excepting a stock not because it was required by law, but because they wanted to make sure they couldn't be charged with "constructive intent" when owning other rifles or parts.

Posessing a stock without any rifle lowers can be iffy. But say your ar pistol has a milspec carbine tube. Legally you can put a 16 inch upper on and install the stock. Now if you posess an ar pistol with amilspec tube; and a stock is stored with/near it. It could get you into trouble. Having an ar pistol, a 16 inch upper, and a stock together may get get rid of any problems.