DHan Posted May 19, 2013 at 04:47 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 04:47 PM Look how the Illinois House is spending their time. http://www.pjstar.co...what-s-to-worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booxone Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:18 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:18 PM Nothing surprises me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glockready Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:31 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:31 PM They do not care, because they will still receive a paycheck whether they do anything or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:33 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:33 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee n. field Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:34 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:34 PM Look how the Illinois House is spending their time. http://www.pjstar.co...what-s-to-worry They've only micturated away the last six months. My brother opined to me "I have confidence...that they will come up with something that sucks for everyone." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:42 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:42 PM Hi, I think the thing to worry about is the group of legislators in both houses who are not in touch with the legal (both judicial and Constitutional) realities here, and will cave to Madigan and Cullerton's upcoming political strategy instead. And that strategy will be to get up to a day or two before the deadline, put out a bill that is similar to the trash that was floated last week, and say, "Folks, there's no time to do anything else. If we don't pass this bill, it'll be what those gun nuts are calling 'Constitutional Carry'. We'll have no regulation at all on firearms anywhere in the state. You've got to vote for this bill or we'll have lawlessness from north to south, east to west." This is not a rational approach of course. Indiana, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- three major bordering states -- all have carry and no such thing occurs. But we have so many members of the General Assembly who either are in the pocket of The Machine or who simply can't think for themselves, that they'll get behind whatever last minute abomination is put in front of them. I'm not a pessimist though. Thank goodness we've got Todd, Molly, and others who are working on our side to see that doesn't happen. FWIW. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vezpa Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:51 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:51 PM delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xd9subcompact Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:54 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:54 PM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:58 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 05:58 PM Two weeks and we will be up to our chins in new Gun ordinances . Best thing is every county and city will be different, so try and carry in that mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colt-45 Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:06 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:06 PM i'm not worried one bit. we will have a good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richp Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:07 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:07 PM Hi XD9, Our exhuberance was justified -- a decision like that was a long time coming. But we're up against politicians who are not only exceedingly skillful in using the system to their own ends, but also totally without scruples when it comes to spending public money to fend off lawsuit after lawsuit. Stall, stall, stall, and hope that eventually we will run out of money or motivation, or that they'll get a court decision that puts the issue in a posture they can live with. (I give as my example the recent New York case on "shall issue". By stonewalling a stringent may issue law and getting the Supreme Court to decline to take an appeal, they essentially get what they wanted all along -- the means to suppress a fundamental right under the cover of law.) The issue of a patchwork of local laws is a very real one for us, but think about it -- it may actually be the next best thing for them. By extensively localizing a wide variety of restrictions, antis get an awful lot of what they want. Plus, the prospect of scattered litigation that spreads us even thinner. And again, this all works as an effective holding action until they get a better Supreme Court. FWIW, hoping and praying for Scalia's continued good health. Rich Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhawk067 Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:09 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:09 PM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me. Always darkest before the dawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snubjob Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:11 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:11 PM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me. Reality has set in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snubjob Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:12 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:12 PM Hi XD9, Our exhuberance was justified -- a decision like that was a long time coming. But we're up against politicians who are not only exceedingly skillful in using the system to their own ends, but also totally without scruples when it comes to spending public money to fend off lawsuit after lawsuit. Stall, stall, stall, and hope that eventually we will run out of money or motivation, or that they'll get a court decision that puts the issue in a posture they can live with. (I give as my example the recent New York case on "shall issue". By stonewalling a stringent may issue law and getting the Supreme Court to decline to take an appeal, they essentially get what they wanted all along -- the means to suppress a fundamental right under the cover of law.) The issue of a patchwork of local laws is a very real one for us, but think about it -- it may actually be the next best thing for them. By extensively localizing a wide variety of restrictions, antis get an awful lot of what they want. Plus, the prospect of scattered litigation that spreads us even thinner. And again, this all works as an effective holding action until they get a better Supreme Court. FWIW, hoping and praying for Scalia's continued good health. Rich PhillipsBingo Rich. Sad, but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:13 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:13 PM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me.That's because when the decision first came down people on our side thought and some still think we will have constitution carry if we go over the cliff. That is not true, it's going to be constitution carry cluster. What the other side is doing right now is pushing it to the last second so then they can say we have to pass this may issue, 40 hr training, $300 for a permit no carry bill or else. The people in the middle are so stupid they have no idea of the Implimentations and consequences of such a bill and go for it. Also it will get a few of the spineless cowards on our side to fold and well be stuck for another decade fighting it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:18 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:18 PM I'll take constitutional carry cluster over a bad bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:18 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 06:18 PM FWIW, hoping and praying for Scalia's continued good health.Rich Phillips And Kennedy, Roberts, alto and Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 19, 2013 at 07:25 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 07:25 PM Great use of the word "micturated: Bravo. Last time I heard that was in the Big Lebowski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted May 19, 2013 at 08:33 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 08:33 PM “We have lots of conflicts in this building (the Capitol), yet we ban weapons here.” State Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Chicago, answering those who said that high-conflict areas are more in need of concealed carry than more peaceful areas of the state. Seriously?!? He is comparing political disagreements to the deadly attacks seen daily across the state and in Chicago? This is the mindset of many anti-gunners. Any disagreements will inevitably escalate to a deadly attack if weapons are present: Road rage? Shoot 'em up! Fight over a parking space? Bang Bang! Bump someone with your shopping cart? Better duck for cover! Political argument? Kill that ****** ******! I think they need to make sure that any sharp or pointy objects are removed from the IL Senate floor before it turns in to a blood bath! -- Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted May 19, 2013 at 08:45 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 08:45 PM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me.That's because when the decision first came down people on our side thought and some still think we will have constitution carry if we go over the cliff. That is not true, it's going to be constitution carry cluster. What the other side is doing right now is pushing it to the last second so then they can say we have to pass this may issue, 40 hr training, $300 for a permit no carry bill or else. The people in the middle are so stupid they have no idea of the Implimentations and consequences of such a bill and go for it. Also it will get a few of the spineless cowards on our side to fold and well be stuck for another decade fighting it off. + 1 Same thing i have said over and over , last second Madigan brings out a bad one he says vote or get stuck with constitutional carry. You think the connected people will take any training or pay any fee ? May issue either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdiogi Posted May 19, 2013 at 09:58 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 09:58 PM ... until they get a better Supreme Court. I don't think that's really the term you MEANT to use, was it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDaveFactor Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:44 PM “We have lots of conflicts in this building (the Capitol), yet we ban weapons here.” State Sen. Kwame Raoul, D-Chicago, answering those who said that high-conflict areas are more in need of concealed carry than more peaceful areas of the state. Seriously?!? He is comparing political disagreements to the deadly attacks seen daily across the state and in Chicago? This is the mindset of many anti-gunners. Any disagreements will inevitably escalate to a deadly attack if weapons are present: Road rage? Shoot 'em up! Fight over a parking space? Bang Bang! Bump someone with your shopping cart? Better duck for cover! Political argument? Kill that ****** ******! I think they need to make sure that any sharp or pointy objects are removed from the IL Senate floor before it turns in to a blood bath! -- Frank It makes me scream when I hear crap like that from Kwame and NOBODY calls him on it and says, "Yes, we ban the guns here... But we have a small army of armed guards to protect us, just waiting a moment away. The people of Chicago (and Illinois) don't have the same luxury that we do..." Why doesn't any politician ever say that kind of thing? They just let it slide by... Very frustrating to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub Hunter Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:54 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:54 PM I'll be on pins and needles until the ink is dry on a good bill for everyone in the state. I was just on the tribunes website and I see they are introducing a the bill banning high cap mags tomorrow with some parents of Newtown. This we knew about but how nice of the libune to start the story tonight. Plus it was titled Illinois Dems push for mag ban when it really should have been titled Chicago/Crook county Dems push for mag ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sub Hunter Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:59 PM Share Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:59 PM I'll be on pins and needles until the ink is dry on a good bill for everyone in the state. I was just on the tribunes website and I see they are introducing a the bill banning high cap mags tomorrow with some parents of Newtown. This we knew about but how nice of the libune to start the story tonight. Plus it was titled Illinois Dems push for mag ban when it really should have been titled Chicago/Crook county Dems push for mag ban. Mods please feel free to move, I didn't see Todd's post that he started this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ca22151 Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:30 AM I'll take constitutional carry cluster over a bad bill. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriot1776 Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:37 AM Should be an interesting 2 weeks, politicians will be showing their true colors, along with the power brokers ,showing the cards they are holding. Game on and not for those with a weak constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobPistol Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:52 AM http://dangitbill.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/what-me-worry.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevsuz12 Posted May 20, 2013 at 04:11 AM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 04:11 AM I don't get this. Shortly after the big win on the Moore/Shepard case in the appeals court, it was much touted that we had the winning hand and the pressure was all on the anti-gunners to see it our way, since all we needed to do was sit on our hands and wait till the 9th of June. Now I see more and more predictions of doom if we don't give in to the other side. Makes no sense to me. I agree, Makes no sense to me either. Never back down from a fight, and never give in. We Won! The Constitution Won! Now gives us our rights back! ....XD9SC, love that gun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted May 20, 2013 at 01:09 PM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 01:09 PM Worry is downstate Dems fold like a cheap suit at the 11 th hour and we get a crappy bill Pressure, Pressure , Pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted May 20, 2013 at 01:23 PM Share Posted May 20, 2013 at 01:23 PM Now what would be really funny is if Lisa Madigan asked for an extension on the 180 stay and Kagan replied "The court is not in the habit of granting stays for no other reason than that the defendant micturated away the last six months" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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