apollo Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:50 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:50 AM Can someone help me understand the differences between the B-27 targets and what will actually be used for qualification? There seems to be several variations and sizes for these targets. For example there are B-27, B-27CB, B-27FSA, B-27NCJA etc. Also there are different sizes such as 24" x 45" or 14" x 22" etc. What are the differences, and which will actually be used for qualification at the 5, 7 and 10 yard distances? I would like to purchase some of these targets to practice but want to make sure I'm practicing on the actual type and size of targets that will be used during qualification. Links for purchase options would be great also. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRJ Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:57 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:57 AM I know this isn't what you asked, but for practice save money and shoot a 8 inch paper plate. If you can hit that you can ace the qualification. A b27 is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:58 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:58 AM Genuine B-27 the full 24x45. 100: http://www.amazon.com/Champion-Black-Police-Silhouette-Target/dp/B0000C51QG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1395017957&sr=8-1&keywords=B-27 Many ranges have them for sale in singles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydawg13 Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:59 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 12:59 AM I know this isn't what you asked, but for practice save money and shoot a 8 inch paper plate. If you can hit that you can ace the qualification. A b27 is huge. + 1 on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:00 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:00 AM The correct target is simply B-27. It's standardized. All the variants are just that: variants. But variants are not allowed. The law specifically states ONLY B-27 is allowed. A real B-27 is huge. Practice on something cheaper. If you can hit that, then you can hit the B-27, since that is one of the largest targets commercially available as a qualifier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:17 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:17 AM For those that don't mind the drive to the west side of MKE Streicher's has them for a pretty reasonable price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdpsc Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:21 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:21 AM For those that don't mind the drive to the west side of MKE Streicher's has them for a pretty reasonable price. Will they let anyone in? Some LE supply stores won't let you in unless your LE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drylok Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:30 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 01:30 AM Just draw a rectangle on a peice of cardboard thats 24x45 but please remember shooting the qual is the least important part of the class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:01 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:01 AM I know this isn't what you asked, but for practice save money and shoot a 8 inch paper plate. If you can hit that you can ace the qualification. A b27 is huge. I had a student ask if they could take the paper plate for the NRA class on top of the B27. Had to tell him no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:03 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:03 AM For those that don't mind the drive to the west side of MKE Streicher's has them for a pretty reasonable price. Will they let anyone in? Some LE supply stores won't let you in unless your LE. I think it's not an issue, since they advertise on non-LE sites, especially if you ID yourself as an instructor when you call in the order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomG Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:16 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:16 AM LOL. If you can shoot the side of a barn from 5,7 and 10 yards, you'll have no problem with the B27 target. It's only slightly smaller. Point and shoot. Aiming is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdhunter1 Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:23 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 02:23 AM Imagine shoointg at a standard sized room door. If you can keep 30 out of 30 shots in the upper half of the door at 30' then you will likely pass, it is a big target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted March 17, 2014 at 03:11 AM Share Posted March 17, 2014 at 03:11 AM Links for purchase options would be great also. IMO not worth the shipping cost/trouble to purchase online unless you need bulk, as you will likely use one and then pay forward the rest when you realize it's hardly any challenge... I would suggest you just hit up Walmart, and get a 10 pack if your local Walmart doesn't carry them order online and ship to store for free and pick up in a few days... http://www.walmart.c...Target/17244039 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45b Posted March 18, 2014 at 01:49 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 01:49 PM My question is now that they say we must hit the rings section only, why are we using the B27 that costs more and can not be printed by my local printer? Anything bigger than what he sells locally is not a hit anyway. We could be using the smaller and cheaper targets all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:33 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:33 PM My question is now that they say we must hit the rings section only, why are we using the B27 that costs more and can not be printed by my local printer? Anything bigger than what he sells locally is not a hit anyway. We could be using the smaller and cheaper targets all along. The entire silhouette is the outside scoring ring... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:45 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:45 PM My question is now that they say we must hit the rings section only, why are we using the B27 that costs more and can not be printed by my local printer? Anything bigger than what he sells locally is not a hit anyway. We could be using the smaller and cheaper targets all along. The entire silhouette is the outside scoring ring... Not anymore. Per the ISP Instructor E-mail that arrived yesterday: http://i57.tinypic.com/21env9u.pnghttp://i59.tinypic.com/15eygds.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 03:50 PM My question is now that they say we must hit the rings section only, why are we using the B27 that costs more and can not be printed by my local printer? Anything bigger than what he sells locally is not a hit anyway. We could be using the smaller and cheaper targets all along.Causehttp://memegenerator.net/instance/47361379 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockerXX Posted March 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 04:12 PM Not anymore. Per the ISP Instructor E-mail that arrived yesterday: Yeah, I see that now, they are once again changing the rules and going beyond the letter of the law... Time for our pro-gun legislators to re -author this mess and prevent the ISP from changing the rules on the fly, that or more lawsuits... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtr100 Posted March 18, 2014 at 09:07 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 09:07 PM Not anymore. Per the ISP Instructor E-mail that arrived yesterday: Yeah, I see that now, they are once again changing the rules and going beyond the letter of the law... Time for our pro-gun legislators to re -author this mess and prevent the ISP from changing the rules on the fly, that or more lawsuits... it'll take lawsuits - not that we shouldn't try legislation - but Madigan has not reason to let anything through and I suspect less than zero interest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannyH Posted March 18, 2014 at 11:56 PM Share Posted March 18, 2014 at 11:56 PM when I took my training my instructor told us we had to hit on the last line or inside it anything out side was a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted March 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 12:48 PM If you want to mimic the target ring area on the B-27, I think an 8.5x14 sheet of paper will do nicely.. Or, you can just buy these http://www.americantargetcompany.com/NRA_Police_Center_target.asp http://www.americantargetcompany.com/images/targets/law_enforcement/B_27_Center_full.jpg (NOTE: I AM MENTIONING THESE FOR PRACTICE ONLY! ACTUAL QUALIFICATION MUST BE DONE ON A 24"X45" B-27!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 12:55 PM If you want to mimic the target ring area on the B-27, I think an 8.5x14 sheet of paper will do nicely... Joking aside, Police Training Institute uses something similar to the target you posted. It measures 8.5"x14" and is paper bag brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobapunk Posted March 20, 2014 at 01:29 PM Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 01:29 PM If you want to mimic the target ring area on the B-27, I think an 8.5x14 sheet of paper will do nicely... Joking aside, Police Training Institute uses something similar to the target you posted. It measures 8.5"x14" and is paper bag brown. Ummm, really? Do you think most of my ideas are original?? HAHA, I remeber reading the legal paper thing somewhere. I think it was in the MFT handbook.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSharp Posted March 20, 2014 at 03:04 PM Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 03:04 PM B-27's are like $.30 each plus shipping. In the grand scheme of running classes this is lost in the noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango7 Posted March 20, 2014 at 03:10 PM Share Posted March 20, 2014 at 03:10 PM Ummm, really? Do you think most of my ideas are original?? HAHA, I remeber reading the legal paper thing somewhere. I think it was in the MFT handbook.... I do try to give people credit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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