Illinois General Assembly 5/4/2011

[mauserme]

Yesterday saw approval of the Second Amendment to HB0148 in the House Agriculture & Conservation Committee. With that step complete, we will likely see adoption of the amendment by the full House today. The bill also picked up its 41st co-sponsor, Representative Ed Sullivan Jr. Thank you, sir.

 

On the floor of the House, SB1589 moved to third reading.

 

 

The House is scheduled for 1:00 PM and the Senate for 12:30 PM today

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House Calendar

1:00 PM

House Audio/Video Link

How a Bill Becomes a Law

HB0148 - Firearms Concealed Carry

 

Green/Good

 

House Sponsor: Phelps, Beiser, Bradley, Unes, Reis, Mitchell (Bill), Reitz, Dugan, Holbrook, Tracy, Hammond, Sommer, Cavaletto, Roth, Hays, Eddy, Rosenthal, Brown, Bost, Pritchard, Brauer, Barickman, Sacia, Ramey, Sosnowski, Watson, Verschoore, Tryon, Osmond, Winters, Chapa LaVia, Brady, Rose, Leitch, Kay, Mitchell (Jerry), Moffitt, Morrison, Stephens, Sullivan

 

Status: Third Reading

 

Synopsis As Introduced

 

Creates the Family and Personal Protection Act. Permits the county sheriff to issue permits to carry concealed firearms to persons at least 21 years of age who meet certain requirements. Requires an applicant for a permit to have completed specified training requirements developed by the Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board consisting of classroom instruction and live firing exercises. Preempts home rule. Amends the Illinois Police Training Act and the Criminal Code of 1961 to make conforming changes. Effective immediately

 

Home Rule Note (Dept. of Commerce & Economic Opportunity)

 

HB 148 does pre-empt home rule authority.

 

Fiscal Note (Illinois State Police)

 

The fiscal impact for HB 148 is as follows: The Firearms Services Bureau (FSB) would need the additional personnel and equipment: three additional personnel and equipment required to assists sheriffs for prohibiting issues (approximately $200,000.00 salary/benefits funding required). Start up Costs (FOID Mainframe and database modifications) = $500,000; Application to apply development = $20,000; Annual Costs (3 personnel salary/benefits) = $200,000; Total Estimated Costs = $720,000.

 

Balanced Budget Note (Office of Management and Budget)

 

The overall fiscal impact to the State will be minimal in the form of some administrative costs at the State level.

 

House Floor Amendment No. 1

 

Provides that a concealed firearm permit does not authorize a person to carry a concealed firearm into any public library without the authorization or approval by the governing entity of the library.

 

 

 

SB1589 - Crim Cd Weapons Felon Imprison

 

Red/Bad

 

Senate Sponsor: Muñoz, Kotowski, Collins, Martinez

House Sponsor: Zalewski, Howard, Reboletti

Status: House/Third Reading

 

Synopsis As Introduced

 

Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Provides that unlawful use or possession of a weapons by a felon who is not confined to a penal institution or who is on parole or mandatory supervised release is an offense for which the person shall receive a mandatory sentence of imprisonment.

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House Committee(s)

House Transportation: Vehicles and Safety Committee - 10:00 AM

 

SB2064 - Veh Cd SOS Revoke Title Guns

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House Calendar 5-4-11.pdf

[mauserme]

In the Senate the following neutral bills are at third reading with their deadline extended to today. None of them contain any substansive wording.

 

SB0876 - Safety Tech

SB0878 - Safety Tech

SB0879 - Safety Tech

SB2300 - Criminal Law Tech

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Senate Calendar

12:30 AM

Senate Audio/Video Link

 

 

There does not appear to be anyting noteworthy scheduled for floor debate today.

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Senate Committee(s)

Senate Agriculture Committee - 9:00 AM

 

HB1163 - Wildlife Powder Cartridges

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Next Days Scheduled

 

House: 5/5/2011

Senate: 5/5/2011

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Senate Calendar 5-4-11.pdf

[Jeckler]

Wednesday, Thursday, Friday....only a couple more days! Anyone taking bets on when the vote takes place? Maybe a good ole fashioned office pool. I'm thinking Thursday at 3:30.

[05FLHT]

Phelps is quoted in a NW Herald article today, very good read btw, saying the vote will be Thursday.

 

http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/03/committee-passes-gun-legislation-despite-quinns-veto-threat/a41ma8j/

[Len S]

What dynamic does Quinn add to this?

[05FLHT]

What dynamic does Quinn add to this?

 

A penny on the tracks. Chugga chugga, choo choo.

 

71 votes are needed in the House to pass 148. 71 votes overrides a Governors veto.

[mauserme]

A penny on the tracks. Chugga chugga, choo choo.

+1

 

Too little too late (for them). But when you have nothing why go public with it any earlier?

 

 

I've attached the Senate Calendar to Post #2 if anyone wants it. Time's a little short right now so I took a brief look and don't see anything to add to my post. I'll look a little more in depth a bit later.

 

WGN News ran a piece on Right to Carry this morning. It wasn't too bad. They did run sound bites from the recent press converence mentioned in other threads but also touched on training and age requirements, etc. No mention of the other 48 states though.

[vstar]

Phelps is quoted in a NW Herald article today, very good read btw, saying the vote will be Thursday.

 

http://www.nwherald....threat/a41ma8j/

 

 

nice counter to the anti's---

 

State Rep John Cavaletto Wonders If Daughter In Law Would Still Be Alive If Concealed Carry Law Had Been In Effect

5/3/11 @ 8:15:31 pm

 

State Representative John Cavaletto is questioning if the murder of his daughter-in-law Michele Cavaletto along a rural Walnut Hill Road could have been prevented if legislation had been in place allowing people to carry concealed firearms in public. Cavaletto made the remarks during debate in the House Agriculture and Conservation Committee. The comments came the same day that Governor Pat Quinn said he would veto any conceal carry bill that reached his desk.

 

 

 

With Cavaletto's vote, the committee eventually sent the bill to the full house on a 12 to 1 vote. "I had a daughter-in-law walk three years ago on a Saturday morning and she never came back home. She was hit by a car and drug into the bushes. The man came back a few hours later and stabbed her 13 times. I always said if Michele had a gun in her fanny pack when she went for a walk she may have been able to save herself. She lived on a farm and knew how to shoot a gun and if she would have had one things may have been different," Caveletto reasoned.

 

 

 

Quinn says letting people carry concealed weapons wouldn't enhance public safety, but instead would make life more dangerous and violent. "I don't think it's healthy. If you go to a grocery store and you bump into someone accidentally and they take offense they can pull out a loaded concealed handgun in their anger," Quinn argued. He was joined by Illinois State Police Director Hiram Grau and members of an anti-violence commission Quinn had appointed.

 

Harrisburg Democrat Brandon Phelps warned Quinn that opposing concealed carry will cost the governor during a politically sensitive time. State officials are working on a new state budget. The bill that passed out of committee would let Illinoisans 21 years and older carry handguns in public following training and background checks.

 

 

 

Illinois is one of only two states that doesn't let legal gun owners carry concealed weapons.

 

 

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[souless1027]

Does anyone know what happened to senate bill 82

[abolt243]

Does anyone know what happened to senate bill 82

 

Here it is.

 

SB82 was reassigned to assignments after the deadline for advancement was passed. HB148 has become the RTC bill for IL for this session, once it's passed in the House, it will go to the Senate.

 

AB

[Houndawg]

What dynamic does Quinn add to this?

 

A penny on the tracks. Chugga chugga, choo choo.

 

71 votes are needed in the House to pass 148. 71 votes overrides a Governors veto.

 

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

[Drylok]

"I don't think it's healthy. If you go to a grocery store and you bump into someone accidentally and they take offense they can pull out a loaded concealed handgun in their anger,"

 

Yes because that's how those of us who already carry in other states react every time someone bumps into us. Fact we're running out of places to hide the bodies

[TTIN]

What dynamic does Quinn add to this?

 

A penny on the tracks. Chugga chugga, choo choo.

 

71 votes are needed in the House to pass 148. 71 votes overrides a Governors veto.

 

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

Well heck,let's just forget about the whole thing then!

[Uncle Harley]

What dynamic does Quinn add to this?

 

A penny on the tracks. Chugga chugga, choo choo.

 

71 votes are needed in the House to pass 148. 71 votes overrides a Governors veto.

 

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

Well heck,let's just forget about the whole thing then!

 

 

I agree game over because the LOL ............. I cant believe people didn't expect the Gov. to veto in the first place, he was elected by the machine, sure he is going to tow the line.

[Drylok]

It just occured to me that the vote in the house will occur on Cinco De Mayo!

I think I should do my company a favor and just call in sick

[Elderberry]

Phelps is quoted in a NW Herald article today, very good read btw, saying the vote will be Thursday.

 

Peoria paper says same thing. But so far all the media outlets (including our local tv news last night) somehow seem to have lost the very insightful quote about grocery stores. That's too bad. I wish everyone in Illinois could hear how smart our governor is...

 

My link

[Xwing]

So do we think tomorrow is the likely day of voting? I still like the fact that we're on the "2nd amendment". Would be poetic if this is the version that passes.

[ming]

 

Yes because that's how those of us who already carry in other states react every time someone bumps into us. Fact we're running out of places to hide the bodies

 

Thanks for giving me something to laugh about. You brought my blood pressure down about 20 points.

[race2c]

Mauser and Drylock - you both have incoming PMs.

 

Cam

[05FLHT]

 

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

71 votes sends a message...and with the amount of coverage it will generate, a lot more people will open their eyes.

 

Lets make the calls, send the emails and faxes, and see if we can't put Quinn's foot in his mouth.

[Bud]

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

71 votes sends a message...and with the amount of coverage it will generate, a lot more people will open their eyes.

 

Lets make the calls, send the emails and faxes, and see if we can't put Quinn's foot in his mouth.

 

Actually 71 is important right now because nit guarantees preemption. If the Bill passes with a simple majority, Chuicago (and every other Home Rule community) can sue to make the law ineffective in their community. We need preeemption, 71 votes makes sure that happens.

[abolt243]

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

71 votes sends a message...and with the amount of coverage it will generate, a lot more people will open their eyes.

 

Lets make the calls, send the emails and faxes, and see if we can't put Quinn's foot in his mouth.

 

Actually 71 is important right now because nit guarantees preemption. If the Bill passes with a simple majority, Chuicago (and every other Home Rule community) can sue to make the law ineffective in their community. We need preeemption, 71 votes makes sure that happens.

 

Guys, 71 votes are needed to pass this bill because it is written to Pre-empt home rule. If it doesn't get 71, it doesn't pass! Yes, it's sends a message, yes, it generates coverage. Some here seem to think that 71 is not important until the veto override vote. NOT TRUE! Because the bill is written to override Home Rule ordinances, it will require 71 votes when voted on this week. It will not pass with less than 71. It does not magically become a non-preemtive bill with only 62 votes. With only 62 votes, it FAILS! It fails with 70 votes. It has to have 71 votes to move to the Senate.

 

 

[mauserme]

So do we think tomorrow is the likely day of voting? I still like the fact that we're on the "2nd amendment". Would be poetic if this is the version that passes.

 

 

Thursday is where my money is. And the Second Amenment is the version that will pass.

[Houndawg]

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

71 votes sends a message...and with the amount of coverage it will generate, a lot more people will open their eyes.

 

Lets make the calls, send the emails and faxes, and see if we can't put Quinn's foot in his mouth.

 

Actually 71 is important right now because nit guarantees preemption. If the Bill passes with a simple majority, Chuicago (and every other Home Rule community) can sue to make the law ineffective in their community. We need preeemption, 71 votes makes sure that happens.

 

Guys, 71 votes are needed to pass this bill because it is written to Pre-empt home rule. If it doesn't get 71, it doesn't pass! Yes, it's sends a message, yes, it generates coverage. Some here seem to think that 71 is not important until the veto override vote. NOT TRUE! Because the bill is written to override Home Rule ordinances, it will require 71 votes when voted on this week. It will not pass with less than 71. It does not magically become a non-preemtive bill with only 62 votes. With only 62 votes, it FAILS! It fails with 70 votes. It has to have 71 votes to move to the Senate.

 

 

 

We already knew that. The comment I was responding to had to do with 71 votes making the bill veto proof, which isn't true until the veto session.

[souless1027]

Does anyone know what happened to senate bill 82

 

Here it is.

 

SB82 was reassigned to assignments after the deadline for advancement was passed. HB148 has become the RTC bill for IL for this session, once it's passed in the House, it will go to the Senate.

 

AB

thank you for the update

[EnjoyLife]

71 votes doesn't do anything until the veto session, and by then there may have been enough reps paid off to change their vote.

 

71 votes sends a message...and with the amount of coverage it will generate, a lot more people will open their eyes.

 

Lets make the calls, send the emails and faxes, and see if we can't put Quinn's foot in his mouth.

 

Actually 71 is important right now because nit guarantees preemption. If the Bill passes with a simple majority, Chuicago (and every other Home Rule community) can sue to make the law ineffective in their community. We need preeemption, 71 votes makes sure that happens.

 

Guys, 71 votes are needed to pass this bill because it is written to Pre-empt home rule. If it doesn't get 71, it doesn't pass! Yes, it's sends a message, yes, it generates coverage. Some here seem to think that 71 is not important until the veto override vote. NOT TRUE! Because the bill is written to override Home Rule ordinances, it will require 71 votes when voted on this week. It will not pass with less than 71. It does not magically become a non-preemtive bill with only 62 votes. With only 62 votes, it FAILS! It fails with 70 votes. It has to have 71 votes to move to the Senate.

 

 

 

We already knew that. The comment I was responding to had to do with 71 votes making the bill veto proof, which isn't true until the veto session.

 

I think that response was directed at BudMan, not you Either way, it is VERY important to call your reps so we get 71 votes! Let's get this first step passed and then we can worry about the Senate and then the House again. First things first.

[mauserme]

Please recognize that many of us answer questions in ways that our "regulars" might already know but the less frequent members, and guests, might benefit from. We are all about keeping everyone informed so any help should be accepted in the spirit in which it was offered.

[abolt243]

 

I think that response was directed at BudMan, not you Either way, it is VERY important to call your reps so we get 71 votes! Let's get this first step passed and then we can worry about the Senate and then the House again. First things first.

 

My response was directed to the board in general, not any one particular person. No, BudMan is well aware of the 71 vote rule, and I know that. My concern was that the conversation was taking the direction that 71 was only required to pass the bill as a pre-emptive bill, or might only be needed in the veto session, and that fewer votes might somehow pass it as non-preemptive. Also, the comment that 71 doesn't do anything until the veto session is no correct.

 

Another misconception is that 71 votes tomorrow or Friday renders the bill veto proof. Also, not true. We need 71 tommorrow to pass it according to the rule of the chair that considers it a pre-emptive bill. If Quinn vetoes, then we will need 71 votes AGAIN in the October veto session when the bill is called for an over ride vote.

 

As Mauser mentions, the influx of new members here has been amazing in the last few days. From the comments, it's apparent that many have very little or no experience with the legislative process in Illinois. Nothing wrong with that, we've all been there. But statements that you "old hands" recognize the sarcasm or the assumptions in can be taken a very different way by someone that doesn't understand the whole process. We're just trying to make sure that the correct information gets out.

 

AB

[05FLHT]

We're just trying to make sure that the correct information gets out.

 

AB

 

You forgot to mention CALL, EMAIL, & FAX.

 

Oh, and btw, CALL, EMAIL, & FAX.

[Davey]

Is there any movement expected at all today? Maybe redo the second reading?