Tvandermyde Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:41 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:41 PM Madigan’s Merry-Go-Round This past week we say a debate on right to carry that lasted something like 9 hours. Despite being under a court order, Chicago politicians are doing everything they can to slow walk the issue and try to get the most restrictive bill possible – a bill that would be a carry “law” but in practicality would leave you virtually no place in public where you could exercise your right to carry. So what is going on in the House? Well seems that even if there is a court order, and in light of the Sandy Hook shooting, the Speaker is intent on getting roll calls to use against suburban republicans. Remember that none of this is the final passage. And the bills being amended are likely NOT to be the final bills voted on. The amendments, are designed to put people in a trick bag. Take the one on carrying “near” a school. First off it is so vague as to not pass constitutional muster. But the Speaker would rather have suburban republicans vote against it, so he can send out mail pieces in the campaign saying Rep Smith voted against keep guns away from your kids at school. Let us not forget that this was the same group that sent out mail pieces in the last election with a photo of a school hallway littered with brass from an AR-15. The mail pieces write themselves. And Madigan has the money to put them in all kinds of mail boxes in those districts. When adopting an amendment, it only needs a plurality NOT a majority. Say what? It means that of the members voting, you only have to have more than the other side to win and have it adopted. Instead of a hard 60 vote majority of the House you only need to beat the other side by 1 so an amendment that gets 46 votes to 43 votes is adopted. And conversely an amendment that get 35 votes to 40 votes fails. But these are all second reading votes. And while it is nice to win every roll call. We are not going to play that game. And we need to educate our members and supporters about what is going on. While some of them were important, the only vote that really matters is the one at the end of the day for final passage. During the debate on the carry amendments we saw Colleges and others try to make it impossible to carry in public, but then, we also saw 68 (there were 67 votes with one of our good guys out for a medical reason) votes for our shall issue, preemptive carry amendment. That sent shock waves through the building as the City of Chicago has now gone into panic mode as we are now 3 votes shy of a super majority to pass a bill. And those votes are out there. That vote was significant. The City is already trying to intimidate some of the votes that showed up on the bill. And now it is time for us to go into overdrive. Any bill that is a legislative iniative of the City of Chicago, we should oppose. And any downstate or suburban rep that supports us should vote present on all the City bills going forward. They want more red light cameras – vote no. They want special treatment to do X or Y vote no or present and leave them with their 35 votes that are not a majority in the House nor enough to pass ANY bill. What the House votes showed was that we have enough hardcore votes to stop final passage of a bad bill. And we have the Votes to pass a good clean carry bill when it hits the floor. Now over in the Senate President Cullerton is still looking for the grand bargain. HE still wants his take away piece for the anti-gunners. And has started a set of negotiations to see what can be hammered out. So far they are not happy with our answers. Shall issue, statewide, Preemption, commercial training. We also know that anti-gun senators are calling their reps to try and keep them off the roll call in the House to try and squeeze us for a MAY issue bill. That isn’t going to happen. In the meantime, all the guns bills are largely on hold in both chambers’ committees. In the House we are seeing bills being held, and amendments being kicked straight to the floor, without committee consideration. So this coming week, we will see some sort of repeat of the last week, with the issue of the week being semi-auto bans. And this week, we may lose some of the amendment fights. But before you run off and get mad or distraught, understand that we are on the Madigan merry-go-round. This is his “show” and it is about gotcha politics. And right now we are working on a way not to play into his little game. Putting our supporters on dozens of bad votes does nothing to help the cause overall. The only votes that will matter are the ones on Third reading for final passage. Keep that in mind as we go forward. It’s not about every skirmish at this point. It’s about the war at the end of session. The message going forward at this juncture is simple: No bad Carry bill No more gun bans or gun control No to the City of Chicago’s legislative agenda until the respect the Second Amendment. And thank you to those who supported Amendment 27 in the House – the Phelps carry “bill” One of those people in particular I would ask you to call and leave a note of thanks is to Rep. Durkin. He has been very thorough in his looking at the issue and his speech at the end was very compelling. For all of you who have been complaining about him, now is the time to stop complaining and start calling with thanks yous. Another one to say thank you to is Ken Dunkin. The City is trying to intimidate him after the vote. Guys we are a ways away from finishing this. But we are ahead and in the lead. They know the Court case is strong. They know if they push to far we will hold out. Keep banging on the phones and See you at IGOLD.
snooter Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:49 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:49 PM be interesting week...no fudd sell out is all i ask...i never again want to be tossed under the bus by those spineless fudds..yes i truly despise those fudds no compromise with fudds or chicago dems..we are tired of them constantly taking our money down here for use up there and them not returning us anything but more demands for grandmas social security money..they made there own mess up there and its time they own up to it..rant off-god speed
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:59 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 06:59 PM Don't answer if you can't, but how can we avoid bad amendments?
shawby1 Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:09 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:09 PM thanks Todd for all you've done and all you contine to do. Heiniken Salute!!!
Grey Beret Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:10 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:10 PM Shucks ToddI have been reading your posts for a long time and I just wanta ask, "What did you do? Did you dictate this to someone else who knew how to type? LOL Any bill that is a legislative iniative of the City of Chicago, we should oppose. And any downstate or suburban rep that supports us should vote present on all the City bills going forward. They want more red light cameras – vote no. They want special treatment to do X or Y vote no or present and leave them with their 35 votes that are not a majority in the House nor enough to pass ANY bill. No to the City of Chicago’s legislative agenda until the respect the Second Amendment. On a serious note, this is the very approach that many of us have been advocating for a long time. Without our help Chicago is dead in the water. They need us as much as we need them and it is time they figured it out.
THE KING Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:11 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:11 PM Thanks for the update Todd. There were quite a few of us that were with you for those 9 hours on the computer watching and waiting and probably yelling at the computer screen. It would be nice to know what the game plan is because after watching the fiasco last Tuesday, I'm sure there are some of us (well maybe quite a few) that really have no idea what direction we are going in to get a good bill passed. I know you can't tell us what the strategies are and we don't (I don't anyway) expect you to be forthcoming with that info due to all of the anti's that read this site. Again, Thanks KING
Grey Beret Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:16 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:16 PM Thanks for the update Todd. There were quite a few of us that were with you for those 9 hours on the computer watching and waiting and probably yelling at the computer screen. Again, Thanks KINGYeah, but we didn't get any pizza. lol
THE KING Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:17 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:17 PM Thanks for the update Todd. There were quite a few of us that were with you for those 9 hours on the computer watching and waiting and probably yelling at the computer screen. Again, Thanks KINGYeah, but we didn't get any pizza. lol Yeah, but they didn't get any of my beer either.
Sweeper13 Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:29 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:29 PM Thanks for the update Todd. I sent emails out that night to all the guys that stood tall in the battle. With Ken Dunkin, I havent followed him at all. BUT he seems to be open to it. He did vote Yes on the HAF 27, for that he got a Thank You email.
Milhouse86 Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:30 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:30 PM And some good beer it was!
colt-45 Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:35 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:35 PM thanks for the up date Todd. push forward here we go!!!!
cm.stites Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:44 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:44 PM As much as i'd love to thank Dunkin on voting yes i cant bring myself to do it since he is the house sponsor on the bill to try and require the non existent 1 million dollar insurance policy that will force me to move out of the state just to keep my second amendment rights.. i have sent emails thanking everyone that voted yes for the bill except for him though.
Tvandermyde Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:47 PM Author Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:47 PM Don't answer if you can't, but how can we avoid bad amendments? We can't. Madigan controls the process. Remember, the final vote is what counts. Right now I'm not worried about this amendment or that amendment. It took a bit to get my head around a strategy, even after being at this for 21 years. But the Game is the end game. Not the 1st Quarter, not the Second, not the third. WE need to remain competitive and hard charging, but being up on the score baord at the end of the day is the most important thing. Keep that in mind with everything. If we win al the amendments, but then lost the final vote, that does us no good. If we loose all the amendments, but win the final vote on passage, WE WIN. Get it?
JoeM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:52 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:52 PM Everyone is forgetting a most important question. How many pizza's did it take to feed that crowd last week? (sarcasm off) Thanks Todd
Tvandermyde Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:57 PM Author Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:57 PM Everyone is forgetting a most important question. How many pizza's did it take to feed that crowd last week? (sarcasm off) Thanks Todd 23
Kaeghl Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:59 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 07:59 PM One more voice to add to the others, Sir. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
TomKoz Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:01 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:01 PM In the past I had been very, very critical of Rep. Durkin. Over the last week I have sent him 2 emails and 1 phone message thanking him for his support on gun rights. I will continue to support and endorse Rep. Durkin AS LONG AS he votes the way he should -according to the Constitution and conservative principles!
cshipley92 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:02 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:02 PM Thanks Todd for all you've done. See guys, I told you, after the debacle in the house, to just trust Todd, I knew he'd have a plan. Thanks Todd, for not letting me down. LOL
TomKoz Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:06 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:06 PM Have "good" amendments been drafted to address HB 0997 shortcomings and needed corrections/clarifications? When will "we" see them??
tms119 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:10 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:10 PM sent out some thank you emails!
Tvandermyde Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:11 PM Author Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:11 PM 997 may not be the vehicle bill that gets the final vote. . .
cshipley92 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:17 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:17 PM It doesn't matter what bill number it carries as long as it is the bill we want. Thanks again Todd, you're my hero.
Grey Beret Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:36 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:36 PM If we loose all the amendments, but win the final vote on passage, WE WIN. Get it?POINT OF CLARIFICATON -------If the bad amendments are part of the bill that gets a "YES" vote on final passage I don't see how we win.I hope you have in your mind, at least, a line in the sand beyond which you will not cross. The terms "adjacent and near" come to mind. We have to be willing to say "NO" to some things beyond Shall Issue and Preemption. The way the amendments were going the other day we would be better off just the way we are even without the Seventh Circuit ruling. We do not want constitutional carry for a lot of good reasons but they don't want it more than we don't want it, I think.
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:39 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:39 PM That's what I'm trying to figure out, but I don't want Todd to tip his hand either.
Milhouse86 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:43 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:43 PM Gery, Todd gets that a bill with bad amendments is a bad bill. He has been working his a** off to get us to this point. I at least trust him to take it the rest of the way home so to speak.
TyGuy Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:45 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:45 PM As my signature says, I trust Todd. I just want to understand what's going on, but I'll remain in the dark if the strategy needs to be kept quiet. Loose lips and all.....
TTIN Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:47 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:47 PM 997 may not be the vehicle bill that gets the final vote. . . I don't care what the number of the bill is as long as we get CC,but wouldn't it be a hoot if it was 1155; MADIGAN's bill?
cshipley92 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:49 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:49 PM All it takes is the right amendment to wipe out all the bad ones. If that's saying to much mods, feel free to delete this.
cshipley92 Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:50 PM Posted March 2, 2013 at 08:50 PM 997 may not be the vehicle bill that gets the final vote. . . I don't care what the number of the bill is as long as we get CC,but wouldn't it be a hoot if it was 1155; MADIGAN's bill? I was thinking the same thing.
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