CCL Totals - Non-Resident and Resident - Jul 2015

[kwc]

Hello, all. Latest CCL data I obtained via Freedom of Information Act request to ISP are posted in the chart below. Numbers represent the cumulative totals since ISP began accepting CCL applications in late December 2013.

 

I added a column this time around to document the number of revoked licenses.

 

You can review last month's data and ensuing discussion (June 2015) here:

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57042&hl=totals

 

In summary, the significant changes over the last month are as follows:

 

RESIDENT:

- June: 115,954

- July: 120,061

 

NON-RESIDENT:

- June: 12

- July: 14 (both Virginia residents)

 

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/09/30b59e5710f73b76aed6b1bda409d455.jpg

[Ken911]

pending review number hasn't moved at all.

[kwc]

pending review number hasn't moved at all.

 

It actually rose from 1,167 to 1,282.

[SFC Stu]

Illinois would be smart to lower the price of their permits. Poor people can't afford them and they need them the most.

[Ken911]

Be nice to see it go down.

[ChicagoRonin70]

This means that in the first 189 days of this year, there are 28,308 new Illinois CCL holders, subtracting the 91,753 from 2014. That's 4,107 new licenses more than last month and a pace for 54,669 new licensees for 2015, with a total 146,422 as a new projection since the beginning of issuing. That c. 4,100 licenses is right in line with the ISP's projected monthly average, but we're still averaging just under 4,500 new Illinois licenses per month even with the drop-off from last month.

 

That's good news, but what that means is that it's looking like a 40+ percent drop-off from the first year in approved licensees. I'd love to see a graph of new licensees per month going back to the first ones issued to show an illustration of the trend. Again, I suspect that over the next few months the new per-month totals are going to trend downward, even dropping below the 4,000 monthly average, so we might be lucky to actually get 50K new licensees.

 

What would be most helpful for that would be what SFC Stu wrote and dropping the cost of the training so that more lower-income folks don't have to choose between groceries and self-protection.

[DoverGunner]

Illinois would be smart to lower the price of their permits. Poor people can't afford them and they need them the most.

You , I , We know this . So do "they" our elected crooks know this . They begrudgingly bestowed CC upon us and made it as difficult and expensive as they thought they could get away with and it seems to have worked . Remember they do not want us to be armed CC or otherwise Period .

Remember when they did the Typical Democrat/Chicago estimate of 400K the 1st year . Not even close .

 

As far as helping those that could not afford it I have given many many free classes to help the Elderly and less fortunate , eating the ammo and range fees myself

[OrlandInstructor]

Thanks for the update.

[Frank]

Thanks for doing the work to keep us updated on this. It is most appreciated.

 

 

-- Frank

[ChicagoRonin70]

Hey, kwc,

 

You wouldn't happen to have the August totals by now, would you?

[kwc]

I sent the FOIA request a couple of days ago--expect to see the response mid-next week.

[abolt243]

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

 

AB

[Gamma]

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

Many will be people moving out of state.

[kwc]

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

 

AB

 

Good question! Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I just drafted a request to ask about this. Once I get the August data I'll launch it. I'll ask for a data table listing the County, CCL Issue Date, Date of Revocation, and Reason for Revocation.

 

Would we need anything more than this?

[kwc]

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.Many will be people moving out of state.

 

Maybe... but ISP says those are "cancelled," not "revoked." And "cancelled" doesn't appear in the statute.

[abolt243]

 

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

 

AB

Good question! Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I just drafted a request to ask about this. Once I get the August data I'll launch it. I'll ask for a data table listing the County, CCL Issue Date, Date of Revocation, and Reason for Revocation.

 

Would we need anything more than this?

That would be a good start. If you would, be sure I see the response when you get it. If I don't post back in the thread, please PM or email me. Thnx.

[Tango7]

 

Illinois would be smart to lower the price of their permits. Poor people can't afford them and they need them the most.

You , I , We know this . So do "they" our elected crooks know this . They begrudgingly bestowed CC upon us and made it as difficult and expensive as they thought they could get away with and it seems to have worked . Remember they do not want us to be armed CC or otherwise Period .

 

This. As difficult as burdensome as possible buy just short of an infringement that couldn't withstand a legal challenge.

 

The price was likely set at $150 because Denver's CCW cost is $152.50 (CO state price is constant, but each county sheriff can set their own additional fees).

 

In a similar vein, the 16 hours was likely chosen (as opposed to the 40 hour requirement that Barbara Flynn Currie supported in her House Amendment 07 to HB 0997) because California law states training shall be "up to 16 hours" despite the national average being 9 hours.

[kwc]

Hey, kwc,

 

You wouldn't happen to have the August totals by now, would you?

 

ISP has 5 business days to respond. We're sitting at 8 now for the August totals. Not sure of the reason for the delay this time around.

[AlphaKoncepts aka CGS]

Illinois would be smart to lower the price of their permits. Poor people can't afford them and they need them the most.

Not that I agree with the power that be, but that was kind of their point in making the price so high.

[OldMarineVet]

Thank you, kwc. Greatly appreciated

[ChicagoRonin70]

 

Hey, kwc,

 

You wouldn't happen to have the August totals by now, would you?

ISP has 5 business days to respond. We're sitting at 8 now for the August totals. Not sure of the reason for the delay this time around.

 

 

Maybe they are starting to realize that they are being tracked and it's annoying them that someone is making sure they are aboveboard? Passive-aggressive retaliation, perhaps?

[kwc]

 

 

 

Hey, kwc,

 

You wouldn't happen to have the August totals by now, would you?

 

 

ISP has 5 business days to respond. We're sitting at 8 now for the August totals. Not sure of the reason for the delay this time around.

 

 

 

 

Maybe they are starting to realize that they are being tracked and it's annoying them that someone is making sure they are aboveboard? Passive-aggressive retaliation, perhaps?

 

I'm going to assume innocent oversight for now--they've been very responsive in all prior FOIA requests.

[Joebillybob]

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

 

AB

 

I wonder if this is related to the instructors who got yanked, then all their students were revoked...

 

just a thought

 

JBB

[kwc]

 

 

Would be interested to know the reason for the 240 revocations after issuance. Sounds high to me.

 

AB

Good question! Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I just drafted a request to ask about this. Once I get the August data I'll launch it. I'll ask for a data table listing the County, CCL Issue Date, Date of Revocation, and Reason for Revocation.

 

Would we need anything more than this?

That would be a good start. If you would, be sure I see the response when you get it. If I don't post back in the thread, please PM or email me. Thnx.

 

 

See the ISP response here.