Molly B. Posted April 12, 2023 at 12:52 AM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 12:52 AM According to the 4th District Appellate Court, no. Quote People v Matiala The narrow question presented here is whether a knowingly false statement on Form 4473, promulgated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), as a prerequisite to obtaining a firearm is sufficient to support a conviction for perjury under Illinois law where the form only requires the applicant to “certify” the truth of the responses. We find that it does not, and we therefore reverse outright defendant’s conviction. https://ilcourtsaudio.blob.core.windows.net/antilles-resources/resources/6bbbd0cc-85b3-4cb4-913d-f75be45a7e32/People v. Matiala, 2023 IL App (4th) 220387.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTHunter Posted April 12, 2023 at 03:08 AM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 03:08 AM Who says they are "lying"? Is it possible that they may just not be remembering things correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glock43 Posted April 12, 2023 at 03:49 AM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 03:49 AM Would Illinois even have jurisdiction for a federal form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mab22 Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:21 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:21 PM It’s all about the words used. Interesting read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwatcher Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:25 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 01:25 PM Sounds like they just charged him with the wrong crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunuser17 Posted April 12, 2023 at 08:15 PM Share Posted April 12, 2023 at 08:15 PM That a court held that it isn't enough to support an Illinois perjury charge does not mean that it is not enough to support a federal charge for intentionally lying on a federal document as is plainly stated on the form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted April 15, 2023 at 03:08 AM Share Posted April 15, 2023 at 03:08 AM On 4/12/2023 at 3:15 PM, gunuser17 said: That a court held that it isn't enough to support an Illinois perjury charge does not mean that it is not enough to support a federal charge for intentionally lying on a federal document as is plainly stated on the form. That is what it boils down to, the Illinois perjury law requires one be under oath (or affirmination) when the false statement was made, filing out the form lacks that oath element... I'm guessing there is some other 'false statements' on official documents law in Illinois that would have been more applicable, but the prosecutor pressed the wrong law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Posted April 15, 2023 at 09:09 PM Share Posted April 15, 2023 at 09:09 PM Not .long ago Neil Steinberg, liberal columnist for the Sun times tried to buy an AR15 to show how easy it is to buy an evil black rifle. He made more than one false statement on the 4437 and was denied by the dealer Being a liberal journalist evidently makes you immune to perjury charges. 🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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