VanDerStok v Garland - ATF definition of unfinished firearms

[Euler]

On October 5, the government appealed the injunctions issued by the district court to the US Supreme Court shadow docket.

On October 6, Justice Alito stayed the injunctions until 5pm October 16 and ordered the VanDerStok plaintiffs to respond by October 11.

[Euler]

On October 10, 2023 at 09:56 PM, Euler said:→

On October 5, the government appealed the injunctions issued by the district court to the US Supreme Court shadow docket.

On October 6, Justice Alito stayed the injunctions until 5pm October 16 and ordered the VanDerStok plaintiffs to respond by October 11.

Although Alito's decision is not on the shadow docket as I write this, it's in a Miscellaneous Order. On October 16, Alito stayed the preliminary injunctions.

The case itself is still with the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals.

On September 7, 2023 at 03:50 PM, Euler said:→

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On September 7, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals heard oral arguments on the appeal of the vacatur previously issued by the district court. (mp3 audio) Panel judges were Willett, Engelhardt, and Oldham.

[Euler]

On October 24, Tactical Machining withdrew its motion for a preliminary injunction, probably because Alito stayed the other ones on October 16.

[Upholder]

On 10/27/2023 at 6:24 PM, Euler said:

On October 24, Tactical Machining withdrew its motion for a preliminary injunction, probably because Alito stayed the other ones on October 16.

 

Today, Tactical Machining sent out the following email, announcing that they are exiting the business of building 80% lowers:

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Dear Valued Customer,
We hope this email finds you in good health and high spirits. Today, we are reaching out to express our deepest gratitude for your unwavering support over the past 15 years. Your loyalty and trust have meant the world to us, and it has been an incredible journey serving you all.
However, we have some bittersweet news to share. As of this moment, once our current stock runs out, we will not be manufacturing any more of our beloved products. This decision was not made lightly and comes with a heavy heart.
The reason behind this difficult choice is the challenging landscape created by unconstitutional laws being enforced by the current administration. We've fought long and hard to continue our mission, but unfortunately, the obstacles have become insurmountable, and we must regrettably bow out.
This is a tough moment for us, as we have always strived to provide you with the best products and services. We want to assure you that this decision is not a reflection of our dedication to you, our cherished customers. We've cherished every interaction, every partnership, and every opportunity to serve you.
We want to take this moment to thank you sincerely for the trust you've placed in us, for the feedback that helped us improve, and for the memories we've created together over these 15 incredible years. Your loyalty has been the fuel that powered us through both the highs and lows.
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In conclusion, thank you from the bottom of our hearts for being a part of this incredible journey with us. We are deeply grateful for your support, and we will forever cherish the relationships we've built over the years.
Wishing you all the best in your future endeavors, and we hope our paths cross again someday.

With warm regards and heartfelt thanks,
Tactical Machining

 

[Euler]

On November 3, the court denied Not An LLC (dba JSD Supply) its motion to join the (now dead) injunction. [It's not a surprise.]

[starwatcher]

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US appeals court calls Biden's 'ghost gun' limits unlawful

 

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-appeals-court-calls-bidens-ghost-gun-limits-unlawful-2023-11-10/

 

 

I think this is the same case.

 

Edited November 10, 2023 at 03:42 PM by starwatcher

[Flynn]

Here is the recent ruling

 

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/683613598/content?start_page=1&view_mode=scroll&access_key=key-QTv0qwEHOU4wPo20LNsV

[Euler]

On November 16, the appellate court ordered the government to file a motion for rehearing en banc by November 27, if it intends to file at all.

[Euler]

November 27 has come and gone. There is no government motion for an en banc hearing.

[davel501]

[Upholder]

The Solicitor General has filed a brief requesting that SCOTUS hear this case:

 

 

[Euler]

Supreme Court docket

[Euler]

Hmm, I had a thought, so I double-checked.

On January 5, the district court ordered the defendants to notify the court if/when they intended to file a petition for ceriorari (or seek any other sort of review by the US Supreme Court).

Defendants filed their cert petition today. They did not file a notice with the district court (yet?).

[TomKoz]

What?  Are we 2 years into this?

2-3 more year to go?

THIS ^^^ should be unconstitutional!

[Euler]

On February 13, the district court stayed its proceedings pending the US Supreme Court outcome.

[Flynn]

The Supreme Court grants certiorari and will hear this case...

 

Keep in mind it was the Biden administration that requested the Supreme Court hear it...
 

https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/04/22/scotus-grants-cert-to-atf-ghost-gun-rule-n1224606

Edited April 22, 2024 at 05:51 PM by Flynn

[John Q Public]

This is not good, it's not a case that helps us a bunch. All this case will do, if ruled in our favor, will whip up crap for anything after.

 

IMO this is a lose, or lose more. Look at who pushed it to the SC.... 

 

JQ

Edited April 22, 2024 at 06:43 PM by John Q Public

[Flynn]

On 4/22/2024 at 1:30 PM, John Q Public said:

This is not good, it's not a case that helps us a bunch and if they whack it doesn't get us much. All this case will do, if ruled in our favor, will whip up crap to anything else after. IMO this is a loser for us right now. Ancillary BS. 

 

I beg to differ, we have a long history of the ATF making stuff up as they go along and changing the rules on the fly, those changes have real-life legal consequences that turn people into felons for something they may have legally owned for years, this needs to end and this case could end that and in the end that is a good thing for the 2nd community...  And who knows, with all the lower courts ignoring Heller/Bruen I would not be surprised if the court walks the line and possibly tosses in a reminder or two about Heller/Bruen to put the lower courts on notice...

[yurimodin]

On 4/22/2024 at 1:30 PM, John Q Public said:

This is not good, it's not a case that helps us a bunch. All this case will do, if ruled in our favor, will whip up crap for anything after.

 

IMO this is a lose, or lose more. Look at who pushed it to the SC.... 

 

JQ

Its just one more thing to ignore if they screw us again. This entire government's legitimacy is hanging on by a single tattered thread anyway.

[Tvandermyde]

 

[John Q Public]

@Flynn

I agree, but what I was saying is this isn't the best for us, there is already a case, so I wonder why this one also, imho it doesn't help us.

[MrTriple]

I understand the idea of SCOTUS taking appeals made by the federal government, those are special circumstances. But when they take them on administrative law grounds and not explicitly 2A grounds, while seemingly not taking action on actual 2A cases, I remain curious as to why.

 

I mean, they took Dobbs despite how contentious that topic is, and frankly anything gun-related isn't even remotely as contentious a topic as abortion. So why the reticence?

 

Also, why the refusal to use the shadow docket?