30 Super Carry

[bosshogg]

Appears to be a new round introduced by federal, 9mm necked down to .30 for more capacity in a subcompact. interesting concept but have a feeling it might be the new 357 sig and never catch on. 

[Euler]

https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html

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The .312-inch-diameter projectile used in 30 Super Carry delivers the same muzzle energy as 9mm Luger, with ballistic performance and penetration that far exceeds that of 380 Auto. The dimensions allow chambering in handguns with reduced grip circumference and smaller overall size, yet still offer more magazine capacity than 9mm Luger.

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It appears to be a heavier 32 ACP bullet (100gr vs 55-73gr) with a longer case, loaded to a higher chamber pressure. The only firearm I can find chambered in it is vaporware Shield EZ. Davidson's lists them, but has no info on them. The S&W site doesn't even list them. Maybe it'll become a viable option to 380 ACP if more manufacturers chamber firearms in it, but I don't see it replacing 9mm.

[Redlin]

A little more info  https://www.guns.com/news/2022/01/06/new-caliber-federal-30-super-carry

 

Pretty soon .25 autos will be all the rage because they can hold even more rounds.

[bosshogg]

I've had a theory that we will eventually come full circle and start carrying 32's again lol. With Smith and Wesson onboard that's at least one major manufacture and with the popularity of micro compacts I can see it catching on a bit better than 32 fed mag, but I'm still doubtful that it'll ever be as mainstream as something like 380. 

[BRJ]

With only me manufacturer it will go the same way as 5.7

[Lou]

A solution in search of a problem. 

[RandyP]

And IMHO the answer to a question no one asked. I think we'd all prefer they instead added manufacturing capability to the always-out-of-stock calibers they currently produce?  .410, 22WMR, 22LR and 9mm come to mine - lol.

Edited February 12, 2022 at 03:21 PM by RandyP

[soundguy]

Looks like the new round is the same height as 9mm. Perhaps a barrel and extractor change is all ya need to use in your favorite pistol.

[2A4Cook]

On 2/11/2022 at 9:47 PM, Lou said:

A solution in search of a problem. 

⬆️ This!  Can anyone say ".327 magnum?"

[Euler]

30 Super Carry is being marketed as a higher-capacity replacement for 9mm carry, specifically a rimless, centerfire, pistol cartridge (which none of 22 WMR, 327 Magnum, and 410 are).

 

In reality, it's probably a better 380acp replacement, except all the reviews I've seen say "the recoil is the same as 9mm," which I'd say is a mark against it. There are two reasons people choose 380acp for carry: smaller gun to fire it and lighter recoil than 9mm. If it's less capable than 9mm with the same recoil as a 9mm, I'd just as well carry 9mm. What they should have done is make a round that's more capable than a 380acp with the same recoil as a 380acp.

 

It should be easy to do. Use a smaller caliber than 380acp (9mm), but with the same mass and energy as 380acp, using modern, higher pressures. I suppose you could load a 30sc round to less than spec, but Federal seems to be shooting (no pun intended) for 9mm performance with a 32acp bullet.

 

The SAAMI pressure spec for 380acp is 21,500 psi.

The SAAMI pressure spec for 30sc is 50,000 psi.

 

For comparison, the SAAMI pressure spec for 9mm is 35,000 psi (38,500 psi for +P).