Will we ever get CCW in IL?

[Kipp Jones]

Your thoughts? Will the DC SCOTUS case have any impact?

[Ashdump]

Your thoughts? Will the DC SCOTUS case have any impact?

 

 

Yes, we will eventually get citizen CC. It will come when some house cleaning is done at the capitol and we continue to get more folks on board supporting it. Will the DC SCOTUS (favorable, anyway) help? Probably not for CC, but will probably help relieve some of these assinine bans in places such as Chicago.

[Molly B.]

Yes, we will get ccw in IL and yes, a positive ruling on the DC case will have an impact but sadly it will probably be at the same speed as 48 states passing ccw has had . . . sloooooooooowwwwwww.

 

Molly B.

[Ocellairs]

..it will come, but we will be the last state to get it.

 

Take it to the bank.

 

...now the question is, or take bets on, is how many years from now will we have it.

 

I say 7 years.

[ishmo]

..it will come, but we will be the last state to get it.

 

Take it to the bank.

 

...now the question is, or take bets on, is how many years from now will we have it.

 

I say 7 years.

I'm thinking 5 or less. With the crap voters in this state have been thru this year with the Dems running things I believe a sea change in the state is happening and the Dems are too busy with their turf fights to realize it.

[junglebob]

I think we will get it when we get a conservative republican governor and a majority of republicans in the state assembly. If we had a conservative republican governor or even a liberal who recognized the right of people to defend themselves we would have concealed carry already. It would have gone through when Edgar was governor if he hadn't vetoed it. His last year was 1998 and it may have been that year. We have to get Emil Jones and Madigan and Blagojevich out, how long will that take 3 1/2 years at best.

[Kipp Jones]

So it was passed and Edgar vetoed it???

[SmershAgent]

So it was passed and Edgar vetoed it???

 

Yes. I believe that was in 1993 - the last time the GOP controlled both chambers. I'll say this again, as it's arguably the most important thing if we ever want concealed carry. The Republicans must have majorities in both houses. If this does not happen, Jones and Madigan will be insurmountable obstacles to advancing any favorable CCW legislation.

[ilphil]

So it was passed and Edgar vetoed it???

 

Yes. I believe that was in 1993 - the last time the GOP controlled both chambers. I'll say this again, as it's arguably the most important thing if we ever want concealed carry. The Republicans must have majorities in both houses. If this does not happen, Jones and Madigan will be insurmountable obstacles to advancing any favorable CCW legislation.

 

That is for sure; as long as those two are in control no CCW bill will ever get out of committee.

[junglebob]

So it was passed and Edgar vetoed it???

 

Yes. I believe that was in 1993 - the last time the GOP controlled both chambers. I'll say this again, as it's arguably the most important thing if we ever want concealed carry. The Republicans must have majorities in both houses. If this does not happen, Jones and Madigan will be insurmountable obstacles to advancing any favorable CCW legislation.

 

That is for sure; as long as those two are in control no CCW bill will ever get out of committee.

That is basically what my state Senator David Luechtefeld told me when I called and asked if he supported concealed carry. He said yes, but he said it won't get to the floor for a vote while Jones and Madigan are in control. He mentioned another time that he has not had the opportunity to vote on a carry bill.

[trmentry]

I've not lived in IL for 5 years or so. I live in AZ now and enjoy the gun friendliness of it. However I'm hoping IL will still get a CCW at some point and honor other States as I have family still in IL and can't bring it with me.

[Ocellairs]

I've not lived in IL for 5 years or so. I live in AZ now and enjoy the gun friendliness of it. However I'm hoping IL will still get a CCW at some point and honor other States as I have family still in IL and can't bring it with me.

 

 

Blast it, we traded sites. I use to live in Arizona...like 10 years worth.

[GarandFan]

Yes, I too think it will come but will take more time, and take MOVING on this at the right time (when the appropriate people are in appropriate positions).

[junglebob]

I guess that bill would have been voted on in the 88th General Assembly. How could we find the bill and who voted for and against it. That would be interesting. I wonder how many who voted on it are still in office?

 

Imagine if we had passed legislation in 1993, it would have become effective in 1994 the same year Alaska, Tennessee, and Wyoming got it. And before Arkanasas, N.C. ,Oklahoma, Texas, Nevada, Utah, Virginia, Kentucky, Louisiana and South Carolina got it. Think of that, having concealed carry before Kentucky and Utah. I guess its almost a guarantee that we will have the dubious honor of being the last state to get carry.

[junglebob]

P.S. I was thinking about the statement "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" Texas got carry after 23 people died in the Luby Cafeterria will Illinois learn from that history or are we doomed to repeat it? Or if something similar happened would they (the state) just get out the FOID card holder list and start confiscating of guns?

[trmentry]

P.S. I was thinking about the statement "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" Texas got carry after 23 people died in the Luby Cafeterria will Illinois learn from that history or are we doomed to repeat it? Or if something similar happened would they (the state) just get out the FOID card holder list and start confiscating of guns?

 

After being in IL, I wouldn't be surprised by the later and that scares me.

 

I remember reading an article a month or so ago and for life of me can't find the article now. But the author said something to the effect when asked why he supported the 2nd Amendment and NRA.

 

 

"The 2nd Amendment is the 1 right we have as citizens that will protect all the rest. So the question is why don't YOU support it."

 

 

I may have butchered it but that is the jist of it. And that simple little statement really hit me, and I joined the NRA.

[spec4]

Edgar was a consummate RINO when he vetoed ccw. I have nothing but contempt for the man. Jones is in his seventies, not sure how old Madigan is but I was in the State capitol last week and was told Madigan has been down there for 28 years. Talk about a dying need for tem limits!! I believe that whatever hold Blago has on Jones will surface eventually. Nothing like the light of truth. Although Doyle in WI is a real screwball, IL is worse. We will be last.

[GarandFan]

...IL is worse. We will be last.

 

Well, we didn't make it this way. But whatever the cause of IL being the worst for Right to Carry, we know one thing:

 

We all have to work EXTRA hard on this one. Together, we can do this.

[Lou]

Once sponsored concealed carry...that's more than any other senator can say!When I

sponsored it it failed by only a vote on the full senate floor. No one

else has ever been able to do that in Illinois.I'm going to the Il.

state Rifle a**'n. dinner tonight in Elmhurst. That should tell you a

lot. Thanks again for alerting me to the survey...it is good-not

perfect-but it is a little inacurate.....................in that it

fails to get the whole picture. Plus, I have a 14 year record on gun

issues and to take a short snapshot is innacurate. Kirk Dillard

 

 

This is a reply I once got from my state senator. He doesn't give the year.

 

PS I use his personal e-mail and he is more intelligent in writing than this note would indicate.

[trmentry]

We all have to work EXTRA hard on this one. Together, we can do this.

 

What about faxing letters to legislators once a week or month on the issue?

[Federal Farmer]

We all have to work EXTRA hard on this one. Together, we can do this.

 

What about faxing letters to legislators once a week or month on the issue?

 

What we need to do is pick a few legislators that are not working for us and unseat them in the '08 elections.

[junglebob]

We all have to work EXTRA hard on this one. Together, we can do this.

 

What about faxing letters to legislators once a week or month on the issue?

 

What we need to do is pick a few legislators that are not working for us and unseat them in the '08 elections.

I agree that is the most important thing to do. Me faxing rep Mike Bost every week or once a month telling him I want concealed carry legislation, which he or Reis introduces every year seems useless. It will of course let him know I agree with him. If he intoduces or votes on a bill favorable to us, that would be a good time to write thanking him. I don't want him to consider my letters junk mail.

 

BTW Madigan was born on April 19, 1942 so he is 65, I hope he is thinking about retirement.

[SmershAgent]

BTW Madigan was born on April 19, 1942 so he is 65, I hope he is thinking about retirement.

 

Agreed; but even if he leaves, and his party retains its majority, someone else (Acevedo, Osterman, Curie, etc.) will take his place.

 

All things considered, we could do a lot worse than Madigan. He's obviously anti-2A, but he doesn't approach it with the same zealous obsession as people like Rod, Daley, or Kotowski. He's also done a lot towards exposing Rod's incompetence and hypocrisy in recent months. Granted, I don't believe his motives are 100% altruistic, but anything that causes deadlock and infighting in the Cook County machine and prevents Rod from enacting policy is a good thing.

[GarandFan]

...with the same zealous obsession as people like Rod, Daley, or Kotowski.

 

You see, part of our problem is the lack of 2A supporters (in the state legislature) with "zealous obsession." Mike Bost introduces the legislation, but I have seen little evidence that any sens or reps are supporting Right to Carry with zeal, let alone with "zealous obsession." I think that our friends need continuous support, coaching, and perhaps even cheerleading.

 

I don't know....maybe one of us will have to run for the state legislature. Most of us would make a far better show that some of the yahoos in there currently!

 

There are some well-versed folks who feel that generally, those in society that seek and fill government-type jobs are among the dullest [mentally and creatively] in our society. Maybe so, and maybe not, but something to think about. I certainly don't mean to offend - it's not my idea. I think Mike Savage may be among the brain-parents of that idea.

[Federal Farmer]

...with the same zealous obsession as people like Rod, Daley, or Kotowski.

 

You see, part of our problem is the lack of 2A supporters (in the state legislature) with "zealous obsession." Mike Bost introduces the legislation, but I have seen little evidence that any sens or reps are supporting Right to Carry with zeal, let alone with "zealous obsession." I think that our friends need continuous support, coaching, and perhaps even cheerleading.

 

I don't know....maybe one of us will have to run for the state legislature. Most of us would make a far better show that some of the yahoos in there currently!

 

There are some well-versed folks who feel that generally, those in society that seek and fill government-type jobs are among the dullest [mentally and creatively] in our society. Maybe so, and maybe not, but something to think about. I certainly don't mean to offend - it's not my idea. I think Mike Savage may be among the brain-parents of that idea.

 

I can't afford to take the pay cut!

[ilphil]

I wouldn't mind having their work schedule.

Even with the endless "special sessions" Blago keeps calling... :lips sealed:

 

Maybe I could take early retirement from my real job.

[Blackhawkpaul]

No. Never in your lifetime. the pro2A people ain't organized or active enough. The Demoncrapic party is all about the Anti2A people.

[ishmo]

BTW Madigan was born on April 19, 1942 so he is 65, I hope he is thinking about retirement.

 

Agreed; but even if he leaves, and his party retains its majority, someone else (Acevedo, Osterman, Curie, etc.) will take his place.

 

All things considered, we could do a lot worse than Madigan. He's obviously anti-2A, but he doesn't approach it with the same zealous obsession as people like Rod, Daley, or Kotowski. He's also done a lot towards exposing Rod's incompetence and hypocrisy in recent months. Granted, I don't believe his motives are 100% altruistic, but anything that causes deadlock and infighting in the Cook County machine and prevents Rod from enacting policy is a good thing.

Agreed. I can think of a lot of Dems who would be worse than Madigan, namely Stroger, Beavers and any other Chicago or Cook Co Democrat to name a few.

[ishmo]

...with the same zealous obsession as people like Rod, Daley, or Kotowski.

 

You see, part of our problem is the lack of 2A supporters (in the state legislature) with "zealous obsession." Mike Bost introduces the legislation, but I have seen little evidence that any sens or reps are supporting Right to Carry with zeal, let alone with "zealous obsession." I think that our friends need continuous support, coaching, and perhaps even cheerleading.

 

I don't know....maybe one of us will have to run for the state legislature. Most of us would make a far better show that some of the yahoos in there currently!

 

There are some well-versed folks who feel that generally, those in society that seek and fill government-type jobs are among the dullest [mentally and creatively] in our society. Maybe so, and maybe not, but something to think about. I certainly don't mean to offend - it's not my idea. I think Mike Savage may be among the brain-parents of that idea.

 

I can't afford to take the pay cut!

I can but I don't think I want to extend my retirement date :lips sealed:

[GarandFan]

No. Never in your lifetime. the pro2A people ain't organized or active enough. The Demoncrapic party is all about the Anti2A people.

 

Paul, are you a realist, or are you a pessimist? Do you know if Kipp is 98 years old or if he is 19 years old? Would that make a difference in your arrival at the nihilistic assessment?

 

This is a board of optimistic people who DO, who ACT, who make a difference. No large and daunting project was made to happen by people who said it would never happen.

 

We will get Right to Carry here in Illinois, in our lifetimes. You can not only count on that, but you can work with us to make it happen. Are you willing to work with us, to make it happen? You are most welcome to do so!

 

We the People!