How and where to get training?

[Nomad]

How does a Chicago resident get the required training to comply with Chicago's gun ordinance and where do they go?

 

 

The places below offer Chicago Firearms Permit training that was confirmed either by an IllinoisCarry.com forum member or their web site clearly offers it.

 

Illinois Gun Works - Elmwood Park (Close to Chicago border at Grand near Harlem)

 

Midwest Guns - Lyons

 

Fidelity Investigative Training Academy / alternate link - Chicago

 

GAT Guns / alternate link - Dundee

Chicagoland Firearm Training - Chicago

 

Firearm Safety Group

 

Check the http://www.isra.org/calendar/. Make sure that a course you are interested in is certified for the CFP if that's what you're going for.

All trainers are encouraged to send your class information to the ISRA for inclusion in their list.

 

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Click this to read one Chicago citizen's account of his experience going through the entire process.

 

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[soundguy]

How does a Chicago resident get the required training to comply with Chicago's gun ordinance and where do they go?

This is a serious question since it seems one has to get the Chicago Firearms Permit within 90 days.

 

The local gun shops/ranges where they do security guard training seem to be offering it. Illinois Gun Works starts classes next week for $125. They are taking names of interested Chicagoans.

[RandyP]

Midwest Guns in Lyons is offering a $100 training class, includes firearm rental and ammo.

 

http://www.midwestguns.com/

[anonymous too]

This is a serious question since it seems one has to get the Chicago Firearms Permit within 90 days.

 

I believe the 90 days only applies to the few hundred people who still hold valid handgun permits from before 1982.

[RandyP]

I stand ready to be quickly corrected, but as I read the ordinance, Chicago gun owners (never registered guns too) have a 90 day grace period to apply for the CFP at which time (once they have the permit) they can then register all their firearms at once. If we apply for the CFP AFTER the 90 day grace period we will be limited to registering one gun per month from then on.

 

I suspect there are more than a few legally acquired firearms out there in the hands of Chicago citizens that have never been registered.

 

How much it will actually work out costing is the subject of at least one law suit right now, but if it were me....and it is....I would suggest getting the training component completed as soon as possible and then wait till it gets closer to October 12th before applying for the permit to take advantage of any changes in the ordinance after the court cases get decided. With very limited training sites out there, and lordie knows how many Chicagoans will come out from behind closed doors to apply, I would bet the classes will fill up rather quickly?

[scout26]

Come to:

 

http://victoryshoot.org/

[Nomad]

Thank you for the replies so far.

 

Is there anything offered inside the city that is accessible via Chicago Transit Authority public transportation? What about those citizens who don't have cars?

 

 

someone and RandyP, there are so many people interpreting the new ordinance in different ways that it is quite difficult to know who or what is correct. The entire process should be very easy and straightforward, but it's not.

[markthesignguy]

Thank you for the replies so far.

 

Is there anything offered inside the city that is accessible via Chicago Transit Authority public transportation? What about those citizens who don't have cars?

 

 

someone and RandyP, there are so many people interpreting the new ordinance in different ways that it is quite difficult to know who or what is correct. The entire process should be very easy and straightforward, but it's not.

 

Of course Da Mare is gonna make it anywhere from difficult to darn near impossible (if you have limited resources) when you get down to the nitty gritty details, while posturing compliance with the SCOTUS ruling.......

 

as for inside the city - along with banning gun sales, ranges are also essentially banned as well as the discharge of a firearm in a non-self defense situation. You could probably do the classroom stuff IF somebody offers it. You will have to go to a range that's close to public transit. I am somewhat uninformed on this subject - but I seem to remember someplace in Elmwood Park, on Grand? ave? Don't know if they have a range. Pace bus schedules and routes stink for something like this...

[chicago guy]

you are thinking of Illinois Gun Works at Grand and Harlem. They have an indoor range. I don't know much about the place, Elmwood park, where they are located, had a ordinance re sales to Chicago residents. Maybe with Mcdonald things have changed.

[Don Gwinn]

Scout, I think the America's Victory Shoot event sounds interesting, and I'm thinking of attending myself, but I haven't been told who any of the instructors are other than Bill Carns . . . and he says he's bringing his own people in, plus training several locals as instructors in the days before the event and letting them help run the event as the finish of their training.

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know whether any of these people are going to have the state certification that the new Chicago ordinance requires. That's not to discourage people from taking the AVS class--it should be good training and go well beyond what the Chicago-mandated classes are able to cover, since they're designed to take someone who has never held a gun and turn him into a safe, reasonably proficient gun owner--but I'd be cautious about advising people to try to use the AVS for their mandated training, especially since the AVS ends 42 days into that 90 day period. I

[Yas]

Ok people I have to ask... whats the restrictions on legally transporting a firearm while using public transportation? Metra / CTA / RTA ?

 

Police are going to be jumpy.

 

But also the mayors normal set of Goons.

Remember Blair Holt was killed while on a CTA bus by gangs. Did the Mayor pass anything restricting while on public transportation due to this? Chicago Illinois is infamous for knee-jerk hastily enacted legislation.

 

 

 

Edit to add:

I've got to say I've never kept an eye on this matter as I've never asked myself, "Gee I'll pack a couple of guns, hop on a train and go to Chicago to go to the shooting range." Because of Chicago's stance on firearms and lack of facilities.

 

But there's now a situation that some Chicagoans without a car may have to rely on Metra to get them to a range to practice.

[RandyP]

I can't speak for any training program except the one at Midwest Gun. They specifically said NOT to bring any firearms. They will supply a revolver and ammo as part of the $100 course fee. If you got there by bus (if there is one) carrying a gun is not an issue.

 

That Victory Shoot thing out in Aurora sounds interesting but at $295 is kinda out of my budget range and it doesn't mention it is Chicago Training compliant?

[JackTripper]

This place offers CFP training and is in the city (Belmont & Pulaski). They imply that their shooting range is offsite, but it is not very clear. I imagine they will give you a ride, for anyone who needs it. They push that they are reachable via CTA on the page.

 

http://chicago-firearm-permit.webs.com/

 

Thank you for the replies so far.

 

Is there anything offered inside the city that is accessible via Chicago Transit Authority public transportation? What about those citizens who don't have cars?

 

 

someone and RandyP, there are so many people interpreting the new ordinance in different ways that it is quite difficult to know who or what is correct. The entire process should be very easy and straightforward, but it's not.

[Nomad]

Come to:

http://victoryshoot.org/

 

• $295.00 and 60 miles away from Chicago is not poor-friendly especially for a fundamental right
• You have to bring your own gun, belt, holster, magazines, and bring your own 350 rounds of ammo
• Have to bring your own eye and ear protection
• Bring your own water and refreshments
• Bring your own chair
• No certification that this meets and complies with the Chicago gun ordinance

For $295, I would expect the event host to provide at least a rental/loaner gun at no extra charge.

 

 

Edited for clarity.

[Don Gwinn]

You expect free ammunition, equipment, and firearms for $150/day? I can't agree with that. Most Midwest Training Group classes are $350 for two days, and they're the gold standard around here--and they're not providing belts, holsters, mag carriers, magazines, guns and ammunition to my knowledge, nor would I expect them to do so at that price.

Sure, it'd be nice for them to have water out (and I wouldn't be surprised if they did) but that wouldn't change the value of bringing your own water the way you like to carry it. Even if an instructor tells you he'll have water on hand, it's smart to show up with your own supply, especially in Illinois in August.

 

You're right that the AVS is probably not going to work for someone who just wants to get the Chicago Firearms Permit, but realistically, their price is not out of line for what they're proposing. Similarly, if you want to get your driver's license, you're wasting your money paying for Bondurant racing school--but if you want to be an excellent defensive driver or a competitive racing driver, Bondurant is money well spent even though they charge more than Ray's Driving School. As long as everyone is clear on the purpose of the event and what they expect to get out of it, I think the AVS could be good stuff.

[Nomad]

Don, I used the wrong words and I apologize. I didn't mean free guns, ammo, and gear for people to keep and take home with them, I meant just a temporary loaner or rental that has to be returned once the event is complete. As for the other stuff like gear, chairs, and water, it just seems to be asking too much from people when the charge is $295. It's just my honest opinion and I had no intention of offending anyone.

 

I edited my post for clarity.

 

 

Midwest Guns in Lyons is offering a $100 training class, includes firearm rental and ammo.

 

http://www.midwestguns.com/

 

Midwest Guns is offering a training class that includes firearm rental and ammo for a hundred dollars. Now that is more affordable especially when the gun rental and ammo are included.

[Nomad]

GAT Guns in Dundee has a page set up for this.

 

http://gatguns.com/Chi_guns.html

[lockman]

What are the NRA instructors qualifications for teaching Illinois law, morals and use of force? What rating would that be?

[chicago guy]

A friend and I am going to Midwest Guns in Lyons on Sat. Aug. 28. If anyone needs a ride (room for 2 more) give me a pm. I'm in the Wrigleyville area, but could pick anyone up as long as it's in the city.

[xbaltzx]

Nomad,

 

You can take the bus to Illinois Gun Works. I have taken the bus there several times (without a firearm of course) from DePaul's campus when I was a student there. Use Google maps.

[Don Gwinn]

I'm not mad at anyone; I think the Midwest course makes a lot more sense for someone from Chicago who has never owned a gun and wants to register a handgun under the new ordinance. It costs a third as much as AVS, it offers loaners, it's "state certified." That's good.

 

I just didn't want to see a $300 weekend of beginner/intermediate/advanced practical handgun training get set in peoples' minds as overpriced because it's not a basic Chicago Firearm Permit course. It's a different animal.

 

And this is a matter of opinion, but I guess I just don't see bringing water and lawn chairs to a weekend of outdoor recreation as a big deal.

[JackTripper]

So I called Illinois Gun Works a couple of hours ago to reserve a CFP training slot.

 

When I responded to the store rep that I did not have any firearms experience (I shot 5 or 6 rounds on a .380 handgun 20 years ago) she informed me that I did not qualify for their CFP class, and would have to take the $60, 30 minute, "New Shooter Familiarization" training course, first. When I asked why, seeing as the CFP course was a 4 hour class time + 1 hour range class, she said that was only for experienced shooters.

 

I thanked her for her time, and called Midwest Guns, instead.

$100, gun rental included.

 

I mean, come on now- $60 for a 30 minute class, that is in addition to the CFP class? I may be slow, but I am not stupid.

[Joeyl]

chicagolandfirearmtraining

the instructor Don's a good guy.

[boog]

So I called Illinois Gun Works a couple of hours ago to reserve a CFP training slot.

 

When I responded to the store rep that I did not have any firearms experience (I shot 5 or 6 rounds on a .380 handgun 20 years ago) she informed me that I did not qualify for their CFP class, and would have to take the $60, 30 minute, "New Shooter Familiarization" training course, first. When I asked why, seeing as the CFP course was a 4 hour class time + 1 hour range class, she said that was only for experienced shooters.

 

I thanked her for her time, and called Midwest Guns, instead.

$100, gun rental included.

 

I mean, come on now- $60 for a 30 minute class, that is in addition to the CFP class? I may be slow, but I am not stupid.

I received an e-mail from a lady this morning stating she had to walk with a cane. She can stand but not for extended periods and said that one of the mentioned trainers can't teach her the class because of this. THAT'S WRONG! I have seen people in wheelchairs take personal protection classes, and the instructor works with them on a personal basis. Some of these so called instructore just see $$ signs

boog

[soundguy]

What are the NRA instructors qualifications for teaching Illinois law, morals and use of force? What rating would that be?

 

I think the NRA BasicPistol course would fulfill all of the requirements for the CFP, except that the basic NRA Instuctor is not approved by the state and does not have a state license number. If the CFP requirement holds thru litigation, perhaps this is something that could be changed. If an NRA Instructor can qualify someone for a Florida carry permit, the same instructor should be qualified to teach a CFP class to allow a Chicago resident to keep a loaded gun in the home.

 

I wish to see mandatory training struck down.

[soundguy]

What are the NRA instructors qualifications for teaching Illinois law, morals and use of force? What rating would that be?

 

I think the NRA BasicPistol course would fulfill all of the requirements for the CFP, except that the basic NRA Instuctor is not approved by the state and does not have a state license number. If the CFP requirement holds thru litigation, perhaps this is something that could be changed. If an NRA Instructor can qualify someone for a Florida carry permit, the same instructor should be qualified to teach a CFP class to allow a Chicago resident to keep a loaded gun in the home.

 

Is the use of Illinois certified trainers just another way for Daley to give business and profits to friends of friends... IE the guys that can certify training for security guards, PIs and cops?

 

I wish to see mandatory training struck down.

[JackTripper]

So I called Illinois Gun Works a couple of hours ago to reserve a CFP training slot.

 

When I responded to the store rep that I did not have any firearms experience (I shot 5 or 6 rounds on a .380 handgun 20 years ago) she informed me that I did not qualify for their CFP class, and would have to take the $60, 30 minute, "New Shooter Familiarization" training course, first. When I asked why, seeing as the CFP course was a 4 hour class time + 1 hour range class, she said that was only for experienced shooters.

 

I thanked her for her time, and called Midwest Guns, instead.

$100, gun rental included.

 

I mean, come on now- $60 for a 30 minute class, that is in addition to the CFP class? I may be slow, but I am not stupid.

I received an e-mail from a lady this morning stating she had to walk with a cane. She can stand but not for extended periods and said that one of the mentioned trainers can't teach her the class because of this. THAT'S WRONG! I have seen people in wheelchairs take personal protection classes, and the instructor works with them on a personal basis. Some of these so called instructore just see $$ signs

boog

 

Stupid thing is that IGW have lost out on selling me two $700+tax guns, when my CFP comes through.

[lockman]

OK, just for the heck of it I filed the State certification form, and thanks NRA for providing the date of my original classes because I could not find the original documents.

 

We will see what happens.

[soundguy]

OK, just for the heck of it I filed the State certification form, and thanks NRA for providing the date of my original classes because I could not find the original documents.

 

We will see what happens.

 

I sent mine in last Wed. If I get a IL cert number I'll be surprised... NRA did the same for me!

[cherryriver]

My partner and I received a credible report that the City had moved the instructor goalposts yet again.

This seems to be the basic strategy for obstructing permit issue.

While it remains to be seen if this is true, we were told by an instructor who is actually booked to give CFP classes here in the Chicago area that now the instructors must be sworn police officers.

We're trying to find out from an official source. Since our source is negatively impacted by such a rule, we are inclined to believe it.