Tvandermyde Posted November 10, 2009 at 07:55 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 07:55 PM I got a call from Mike Flannery a week or so ago wanting to check in. He was unaware of the Diggins case so I tolf him about it. Today they are doing a story on it. And we tried to turn it into a Roght to carry story. The cops and others want a change after the supreme court ruled in Diggins. I said not without Right to Carry. We'll see how it looks. I'll post a link after it airs.
GENE Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:01 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:01 PM :lips sealed: Can hardly wait to watch
Sigma Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:08 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:08 PM Directv is so cool, I can sit right here at my comp and schedule my dvr to record this.
05FLHT Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:31 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 09:31 PM Todd, THANK YOU for what you do!
Tvandermyde Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM Author Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:02 PM don't say thanks till we see how they edit it. flannery is usually prety fair. they had me sit in my truck, take the gun out of the console, have it in a soft case on the seat. We'll see.
RobR369 Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:12 PM Thanks Todd for the heads up :lips sealed:
Yas Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:52 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:52 PM I just heard the teaser in the background It was something like: "What would you do if the driver next to you was carrying a gun?" Tune in at 5 ....
Yas Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 10:58 PM Another teaser.... Now they are referring to "road rage". This is not going to be a fair and unbiased report. Who want's to bet the phrase "Wild West" is going to be used?
Yas Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:04 PM Well Todd It sounds to me like the Flannery just accused the NRA on air of purposely plotting to test the laws in northern Ill by trying some fanny pack to carry tests.... Pretty much a fear mongering report. Police , Anita Alverez and Tom Dart fear the fact that the law abiding gun owners of Illinois can not be trusted and confuse us with criminals. The issue that needs to be reported is the police need not fear the law abiding that want the protection of CCW , but they need to fear the already existing bunch of gangs and other criminal element that already ignores the laws. Todd how did you think the interview went before they aired it?
Molly B. Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:23 PM Police Decry High Court Ruling On Guns In CarsReportingMike FlanneryCHICAGO (CBS) Here's something to think about the next time you get in your car: the driver next to you may be packing heat. And, now they can, legally. CBS 2 Political Editor Mike Flannery reports that an Illinois Supreme Court ruling last month shocked even seasoned police officers. A sudden gunshot is part of Oak Lawn Police Officer Mike Acke's worst nightmare. The traffic enforcement officer was as shocked as every other law enforcer we've talked to by an Illinois Supreme Court ruling on Oct. 8. The ruling indicates drivers may conceal guns and easy-to-load magazines of ammo in the arm rest console, where they can lock and load in a matter of moments, introducing a new element of danger to routine traffic stops. "If there's a gun there and he's in there reaching ... I've got to react," Acke said. "It could be dangerous for me, because there's a gun right there in their reach." Oak Lawn Police Chief William Villanova said, "It just adds an element that could turn out to be a tragedy." Before the Illinois Supreme Court's ruling, drivers who carried even an unloaded gun in the glove compartment or arm rest console were subject to a felony charge of unlawful use of a weapon. Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez said she was flabbergasted. She said she wants the General Assembly to rewrite the law to require that, if guns and bullets are in a vehicle, they're far away from the driver, who might be tempted in the event of road rage. "I think we've seen that already. If the weapon is readily available, I think you're more apt to use that," Alvarez said. But the National Rifle Association's chief lobbyist in Illinois said there will be no new legislation in Springfield, unless it also includes "concealed carry," the right for a gun owner in Illinois to carry a loaded weapon. NRA lobbyist Todd Vandermyde said, "If they wanna solve this, then my suggestion to them is that they need to sit down with us and support and negotiate out a license to carry bill for the State of Illinois." Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart agreed it is unlikely legislators will change the law regarding weapons inside vehicles. "I've fought these battles. They are difficult battles. And, in the end, the common sense type of measures almost always lose," Dart said. "Common sense never has really penetrated Springfield terribly well." Dart served for many years in Springfield. He said he's pessimistic that the NRA and gun control forces can reach a compromise on this or any other issue in the General Assembly. The heart of the Illinois Supreme Court's ruling is that a container is a container and the law permits someone to transport an unloaded gun in their vehicle if the gun is stored in a case. The ruling held that a case includes a car's glove compartment or arm rest console. The NRA's next move will be to push for a "concealed carry" law allowing someone to carry an unloaded weapon on their body if it is stored in a fanny pack or other carrying case.
Molly B. Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:28 PM Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart agreed it is unlikely legislators will change the law regarding weapons inside vehicles. "I've fought these battles. They are difficult battles. And, in the end, the common sense type of measures almost always lose," Dart said. "Common sense never has really penetrated Springfield terribly well." I like defeatist language when it happens to be the other side using it!!
Tvandermyde Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM Author Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:31 PM here is the link to the video http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=64529@wbbm.dayport.com I'll look at it again and comment more later.
Molly B. Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:39 PM I appreciated the anchor newsman adding at the end that carrying a gun on your person would be - "just like in Texas".Ah, the voice of reason!
TTIN Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:40 PM The NRA's next move will be to push for a "concealed carry" law allowing someone to carry an unloaded weapon on their body if it is stored in a fanny pack or other carrying case I don't hardly think so!! IF we get a LTC law,it will be for a LOADED weapon. Duh!
GarandFan Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:42 PM I don't know what control Flannery has over that stuff ... but I found the tone to be alarmist to the core. And where did he get this notion that it's NRAs operating strategy to push "test cases?" Nice work with this, Todd. I know you have to cut through a lot of hype and overblown rhetoric. But remember this ... anymore, people from carry states look at that hype and just shake their heads. I did kind of like that younger newscaster's quote at the end ... "concealed carry, just like Texas!" You know, it's funny the strides our side is making despite all this hype. I swear that on this issue, Chicagoans live in a total vacuum.
Jay Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM I like the fact that Cook County State's Attorney Anita Alvarez said that if people have a gun within reach, they're more apt to use it. And I'm sure in the other 48 states that allow CCW, the blood flows freely down the streets, because the guns are within reach, just like Texas!!
GENE Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:52 PM Good going Todd, keep up the good work. :lips sealed:
vstar Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:56 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:56 PM yea, just like in Texas...you'd think that the station doing the story would know that crossing the State line to Indiana a person can do the same thing. The concerned looks on the anchors....I totally agree confusing law abiding individuals with criminals. Don't the police already approach cars cautiously?
GarandFan Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM Posted November 10, 2009 at 11:57 PM At the least, I'm glad to know that Midwest agreed to let you do the interview there. I think that the comment about working to come up with a carry bill was about as punchy, yet reasonable and sensible (thinking ahead) as it could get, and was a good choice on their part to air, and a good choice on your part to say. Too bad they edited out the part that probably followed ... "'cause a carry bill is coming to Illinois, anyway."
Federal Farmer Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:00 AM "I think we've seen that already. If the weapon is readily available, I think you're more apt to use that," Alvarez said. So here comes Anita...admiting facts not in evidence...isn't she supposed to be a lawyer?
Yas Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:05 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:05 AM They just re-showed a version again. Hey Springfield compact v-10.....
chopper103in Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:06 AM well done toddthanks for all you do for us
Tvandermyde Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM Author Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:10 AM ok, I spent an hour with them today. I explained the ruling. I said this codifies the law as written and sets straight a lot of anti-gun cops/politicians like Devine who thought they could thumb there nose at the law after agreeing to it in 2000. I said that fanny pack carry is legal as I read the Court's decision. We don't need a test case as the court has spoken. Does it make Illinois safer or more dangerous -- answer: It's been the law for 9 years,. I don't see anything changing except that cops need to be aware of what the law IS. I also harped on that this is NOT concealed carry as CC deals with LOADED firearms. What we have here is a way to transport a firearm. We went tot he range for some B roll. I did the truck thing to show what was legal. I even had it in the case and took it out of the case to show the unloaded and in a case part of it riding on the front seat. Scale of 1 to 10 1 being worst I give it a 5-6. Not like the NBC piece which I give a -5. Funny thing is Dart didn't even know about the ruling. Alverez isn't happy about it but as you can tell she is out of touch with things. So when I saw the angle, I decided to make it you want to tlak change try this -- RTC or no deal. I know it will come off hard edged and like we won't move (they may have caught on) but lets put it square on the table. I can write a change in 10 min. But I won't do it without RTC. The change they are talking about is no guns in passenger compartments that are reachable. Ok write that. I'm waiting for that fight. My take, we win. We''ll see how much of a stomach they have for the fight. I'll be calling Alverez's office tommorow. I wish Dart would answer his cell.
Lou Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:11 AM I appreciated the anchor newsman adding at the end that carrying a gun on your person would be - "just like in Texas".Ah, the voice of reason! Yup, sounds reasonable to me. Then we might have a murder rate "just like in Texas" rather than "Just like in Illinois."
pyre400 Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:14 AM Before the Illinois Supreme Court's ruling, drivers who carried even an unloaded gun in the glove compartment or arm rest console were subject to a felony charge of unlawful use of a weapon. What a sham... This is obviously trying to influence - as though the IL Supreme Court just ruled it was now ok to have a LOADED gun in the glove compartment.
Kipp Jones Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM Technically speaking, would the cabin of a vehicle be considered a case?
moparcardave Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:46 AM It amazes me here in Illinois we are the only state unqualified to have a weapon handy. Doesn't say much about our leadership in this state. I keep looking at a map of the US, there nearly in the central part of US is i l l i n o i s. What is it about this state :lips sealed:
Kipp Jones Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:48 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 12:48 AM ok, I spent an hour with them today. I explained the ruling. I said this codifies the law as written and sets straight a lot of anti-gun cops/politicians like Devine who thought they could thumb there nose at the law after agreeing to it in 2000. I said that fanny pack carry is legal as I read the Court's decision. We don't need a test case as the court has spoken. Does it make Illinois safer or more dangerous -- answer: It's been the law for 9 years,. I don't see anything changing except that cops need to be aware of what the law IS. I also harped on that this is NOT concealed carry as CC deals with LOADED firearms. What we have here is a way to transport a firearm. We went tot he range for some B roll. I did the truck thing to show what was legal. I even had it in the case and took it out of the case to show the unloaded and in a case part of it riding on the front seat. Scale of 1 to 10 1 being worst I give it a 5-6. Not like the NBC piece which I give a -5. Funny thing is Dart didn't even know about the ruling. Alverez isn't happy about it but as you can tell she is out of touch with things. So when I saw the angle, I decided to make it you want to tlak change try this -- RTC or no deal. I know it will come off hard edged and like we won't move (they may have caught on) but lets put it square on the table. I can write a change in 10 min. But I won't do it without RTC. The change they are talking about is no guns in passenger compartments that are reachable. Ok write that. I'm waiting for that fight. My take, we win. We''ll see how much of a stomach they have for the fight. I'll be calling Alverez's office tommorow. I wish Dart would answer his cell. Thanks for what you do. I train with Jack at Midwest in the upstairs range that was shown in the video. Noel is a great guy. :lips sealed: Are their any projections on what the 2010 elections will do for RTC efforts?
abolt243 Posted November 11, 2009 at 01:06 AM Posted November 11, 2009 at 01:06 AM Are their any projections on what the 2010 elections will do for RTC efforts? How are the 2010 elections going to turn out???? Give us the winners, and I'll bet someone will tell you what it will do for RTC in Illinois.
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