Gen3 or 4 Glock 19 Vs. M&P Compact 9mm

[marathonrunner]

TImGiblin, I don't know if I made the right decision on ordering a new Glock 19. I don't really need that but I can tell you this will be the last one I buy...and no not until the next one. Glock will be coming out with their slimline 9mm like the Shied next spring. Will I get it? Absolutely no way! (<---he's lying)

[TimGiblin]

TImGiblin, I don't know if I made the right decision on ordering a new Glock 19. I don't really need that but I can tell you this will be the last one I buy...and no not until the next one. Glock will be coming out with their slimline 9mm like the Shied next spring. Will I get it? Absolutely no way! (<---he's lying)

remove finger grooves. Stipple frame undercut trigger guard. Trijicon HDs and 3.5 lb trigger bar mags and ammo.

 

Have fun

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

[marathonrunner]

TImGiblin I got all that coming from the Glock Store and will be receiving that shortly

[TimGiblin]

TImGiblin I got all that coming from the Glock Store and will be receiving that shortly

I'm confused Glock undercut your trigger guard and removed the finger grooves?

 

They are selling a 3.5 now? Awesome what brand?

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

[IH8IL]

Just because the m&p "feels better" doesn't mean you'll shoot it better. I read all the time about how some they hate the way glocks feel but use them because they shoot better for them. I like them both. I like how reliable glocks are but like how m&p's feel as well. The only answer is to buy them both

[marathonrunner]

TimGlibin the connector is their own brand. I had that store install the Pyramid trigger ultimate and the one disappointment is they did not test it before sending it to me. They said they did but long story short, I just noticed yesterday that when it resets, it feels sticky. To the point it is distracting. I did not know that was a problem until I took both that and my 9c to the range, then I realized how crappy the Pyramid trigger was. The Glock Store said I had to pay the shipping back to them. I was like no I will not pay the shipping back because it should have never been sent out with that feeling funky. Another gun smith told me that it seemed OK but it needed more break in. I thought the whole purpose of a match trigger it is supposed to be a race gun out of the box, What kind of race trigger needs break in to be smooth?

[TimGiblin]

TimGlibin the connector is their own brand. I had that store install the Pyramid trigger ultimate and the one disappointment is they did not test it before sending it to me. They said they did but long story short, I just noticed yesterday that when it resets, it feels sticky. To the point it is distracting. I did not know that was a problem until I took both that and my 9c to the range, then I realized how crappy the Pyramid trigger was. The Glock Store said I had to pay the shipping back to them. I was like no I will not pay the shipping back because it should have never been sent out with that feeling funky. Another gun smith told me that it seemed OK but it needed more break in. I thought the whole purpose of a match trigger it is supposed to be a race gun out of the box, What kind of race trigger needs break in to be smooth?

I didn't realize Glock would send sub 5.5 cheers

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

[marathonrunner]

well .I have my Glock 19 on the way. I hope I don't have buyers remorse. I honestly didnt' want to buy another gun. Makes me feel like an alcoholic who says only one more drink...lol

[cnwfan3]

Marathon, did I call it, I knew you would buy another Glock......enjoy!

[marathonrunner]

CNWFan, you are right about that one. But this pretty much leaves no stone uncovered. I can't think of anything else I could want. I finally got the one more gun syndrome out of my system. The only thing that will suck bout the Glock is I cannot shoot reloads out of them. Therefore I may need to buy a Barstow match barel which supports the entire case

[pdpsc]

What I really wanted to say here would result in a suspension or ban, but those who know me can guess what it would be.

 

Here is the clean version.

 

STOP. Just stop. You clearly have more money than commonsense and skill with a gun. Stop buying shtuff and learn how to shoot the guns you have. You're like the guy who just learned how to drive and wants to be an Indy car driver the next day. Relax man. No gun is perfect and no amount of mods will make a gun perfect. Take a deep breath. Go buy some ammo and shoot your guns the way they came from the factory, except maybe some new sights, until you can shoot them well. Once you can shoot a stock gun well, then think about customizations that'll suit your needs.

[TimGiblin]

What I really wanted to say here would result in a suspension or ban, but those who know me can guess what it would be.

 

Here is the clean version.

 

STOP. Just stop. You clearly have more money than commonsense and skill with a gun. Stop buying shtuff and learn how to shoot the guns you have. You're like the guy who just learned how to drive and wants to be an Indy car driver the next day. Relax man. No gun is perfect and no amount of mods will make a gun perfect. Take a deep breath. Go buy some ammo and shoot your guns the way they came from the factory, except maybe some new sights, until you can shoot them well. Once you can shoot a stock gun well, then think about customizations that'll suit your needs.

I'll say it nice go shoot 5k rounds take 2 classes from 2 different people. Then we can start the convoy over.

 

I was just arguing Glock vs mp not really addressing the op.

 

I can shoot over 40 dot torture with any Glock or mp first time firing (with 5 sight in rounds) if you can't hit 40 with the gun you practice with, you simply don't know how to shoot. Practice work on yourself to pass that bar.

 

G19 is still best though. (Pdpsc may have a short temper but he's rarely wrong)

 

 

Seriously though shoot 1000 rounds take a class shoot 1000 rounds take a class.

 

Safety is a momentary choice. Prior performance and certification are completely irrelevant.

[marathonrunner]

Regardless of where or how I want to spend my money, I don't believe it should matter to anybody. People buy stuff for different reasons, doesn't mean you buy a performance part, you must be able to take advantage of it. Kind of like the guy who buys a fast sports car, but never drives fast in spite of all the performance mods to make it faster. I just like cool things and I realize a lot of the stuff I do is overkill.

 

I just ordered online a Storm Lake Barrel for the Glock 19 I have on order. I figure that is a great investment since I now can shoot my reloads through them. But here is another issue. I want to buy a Storm Lake for my 9C, I figure ah what the heck, but looking at my Glock 34 with all the high performance parts, it doesn't shoot much better than my Shield. So yes taking a course in accuracy is on the radar but again I trick out everything I own.

[ming]

well .I have my Glock 19 on the way. I hope I don't have buyers remorse. I honestly didnt' want to buy another gun. Makes me feel like an alcoholic who says only one more drink...lol

I doubt you're going to have buyer's remorse once you start shooting it. The G19 is a great handgun IMO even though I never liked Glocks before I started shooting them. It's now my EDC.

[bobapunk]

marathonrunner. You need to put the Skimmer Trigger in your Glocks. You can get them from GlockTriggers.com

[WtJen]

To paraphrase an old carpenter's axiom:

 

Think twice, buy once.

[marathonrunner]

bobapunk I got the 3.5lb diamond back connector and safety plunger so both should make it sweet. I am now thinking storm lake barrel so I can shoot reloads. I think a lot of the kabooms is caused by lack of case support so while factory ammo may be better, I am sure you get one that is not in tolerance once in a while

[TRJ]

Regardless of where or how I want to spend my money, I don't believe it should matter to anybody. People buy stuff for different reasons, doesn't mean you buy a performance part, you must be able to take advantage of it. Kind of like the guy who buys a fast sports car, but never drives fast in spite of all the performance mods to make it faster. I just like cool things and I realize a lot of the stuff I do is overkill.

 

So yes taking a course in accuracy is on the radar but again I trick out everything I own.

I'll agree that tricking out your stuff is a fun hobby. I can't argue with the fact your money is yours to spend how you see fit. What I will say is that learning the basics and becoming accurate with a stock gun will pay off in dividends. The whole experience is so much more rewarding when you can demonstrate skills you work to attain. You admitted in previous posts that you've watched videos of professional shooters who can pick up any gun and get outstanding levels of accuracy on paper targets. That speaks to the skill they developed in keeping the sights pointed at the target. In the most basic terms, accuracy is achieved through keeping the sights on target. If you aren't doing that, you won't ever be able to really enjoy your guns because you are expecting them to do all the work...and when they don't you throw more money at more gear thinking you can buy accuracy. Dollars spent toward training and then practice are the most effective mod you can make.

On a separate, but related issue you've discussed your conservative nature and expressed concern about malicious prosecution. Having training that improves your accuracy is the best way to keep yourself from having to defend against the type of case you fear. Get some training.

 

To make it more fun, when your new Glock arrives, don't mod it. Keep the new parts off to the side. Sign up for training and attend the class. Shoot some before and after targets and keep them so you can gauge your progress. Once you can shoot a whole magazine with all your shots touching at about 7 yards, put on your new parts and push out the distance. Once you get bored with this stuff you can work on speed while maintaining accuracy which is where your racing glock will actually show what it's made of.

[marathonrunner]

TRJ, I decided to not get the Storm Lake because for conceal carry that would make gun less reliable. Also been told only from 50ft or less I would not see any difference. another reason is so I can shoot reloads. I will be taking some classes.

[TimGiblin]

DSL is fixed thank god for a full keyboard.

If you aren't under 10" at 25 yards you will not be able to notice a difference in barrels in a glock as far as accuracy. Unless your loading the brass hot on reloads you can run reloads through a glock with no problems. If you shoot lead thats fine every 700 rounds get out a deleading compound and a wire brush and clean it very well.

 

IMO if your buying guns like an alcoholic spending as much money on ammo and training is the best way to get the most out of your hobby. You will by far accomplish much more if you get out and shoot. A case of 9mm is going for 225 or so no, fairly affordable. Go out to the range depending on your patience/physical stamina and attention span shoot between 150-250 rounds a day. Nothing wrong with shooting a single box of ammo either in a trip. Haleys website has a myriad of drills to download and print that are designed to be fired with just one box of ammo. I personally like dot torture, a bit of shooting fast practice and multiple target engagement, shoot the drills youd o the worst at the most. Make sure you can move out to 25 yards once in a while too, your flaws really stand out at that range. Getting the range time is the only way to get these questions settled, and you'll either like what you have or know what you want and come at it a much better shooter.

BTW if you are just awesome like 10" or better at 25 yards with the MP get a KKM barrel, after testing you will find it is just as reliable and marginally more accurate. But IMO better to just burn out the barrel in the gun then replace with a kkm

[marathonrunner]

TImgiblin, thanks for the info. I now am in a state of limbo. I canceled my order with "The Glock Store" and looking at Maxpedition's Fatboy CCW bags. I can then easily put a Glock 17 there. So for winter carry, I am now thinking Glock 17 instead of 19. As far as trigger job wondering if ghost or fulcrum is the way to go. I will not buy pyarimd triggers for obvious reasons

[WtJen]

Why not try the Glock 17 without any trigger mods? Mine came with the stock trigger and its very smooth. Course I am not a Tier One operator, just a guy who likes to shoot.

[TRJ]

But, the glock doesn't really need a trigger. Not until you learn to shoot it well. Then you'll be able to judge what you need and why.

 

If you really want a new gun, I'll restate my earlier position. Buy a PPQ, or VP9. It seems you don't like glock triggers much and these guns are different in that respect right from the box.

[marathonrunner]

TRJ and WTJen, I just don't like anything stock. i.e., when I bought my 08 CBR1000RR, I upgraded everything to the max. I just like to have everything looking racy. My G42 is stock and I plan on leaving it because it does shoot pretty well but only up to 21 feet. Anything further it stinks. I was looking at the Trijican HD night sites and now I got the itch to put that on my Shield, my 9c. The only thing is, you are not supposed to use hammer and punch tool to set those in, unfortunately I think a lot of smiths are doing it regardless. Therefore, if I buy the Glock, I will have to buy the rear sight pusher.

[BIGDEESUL]

If its going to be a carry gun, IMO it's better to simply clean up the internals with a little polish and leave it at combat weight rather than make it super light, etc.

 

If you pick up the current issue of Recoil magazine, they do a "$0.25 trigger job" on a Glock.

 

Buying a sight pusher is a good investment. You can find a pretty good one for around $70 that has interchangeable inserts for different guns. The one I have works on all my springfields and Glocks with no issues. It's very heavy too, so I'm sure it will hold up for quite a while. I have Truglo Tfo's on multiple guns, so every so often when I completely strip them and use the sonic cleaner, I like to take the sights off.

[TRJ]

Look at what you said. "Anything further than 21" it stinks". I guarantee that's not true. Its only as accurate as the guy shooting it is capable of keeping the sights on target. Stop blaming your equipment for your lack of training. And before you get offended and defensive, what you keep reading from people who know this stuff...the same people who taught me...is you need to stop buying gear until you learn basic marksmanship. You have been buying high quality firearms that don't need any modification to be accurate.

 

How do you know you don't like anything stock? Have you tried a VP9? How about a PPQ? You seem to respect the opinion of the pros, so watch some YouTube video of them reviewing these guns. Vickers, MAC, Mr gunsngear, hickok45...all very positive and all comment on the nice triggers right out of the box.

 

I know pdpsc has the tools to install sights on glocks and s&w guns. He sells the sights too. Buy the sights from him and he cuts you a deal on install. That's way more cost effective.

 

The past few days you've gotten some great advice from great people who are really trying to help you out whether you realize it or not. You should read it all again and think about what they've said.

 

Best of luck to you.

[marathonrunner]

TRJ, I was not offended at all by the comments. I only get offended when people start acting belittling. I welcome constructive critiscm, but as far as taking classes yes that is in the works but I can definitely see a huge difference before the mods I made on my shield and once you get spoiled and have a gun that works awesome, it is hard to go back to stock. It is kind of like driving a Toyota and you love it .but once you drive a Bentley, it's hard to go back to a Toyota. Or to make things even more...its' like the cop who takes bribes of say 40K a day, then to have to work a job that pays $40K a year.....lol

 

Anyway, my biggest problem now is I am afraid to go to Gats. I know if I go there, I will probably buy the Glock 19. I honestly don't trust myself. I don't need another gun period. My 9C is very good accept the crummy hinged trigger, I have the Duty Carry already but the only thing that is missing is the apex aluminum trigger but I will have to send that to Apex, along with my trigger bar to have them pound it in. It has to be put in a vice as an armors block and a punch tool will not work. It is a huge hassle doing that.

 

The Glock 19 is also not very concealable but the maxpedition fatboy will make it a no brainer. But after looking at the Trijicon HD nightsites, I now want one on all my guns but this will require me to buy a separate sight pusher for each make. My MP will not work on my shield as I will have to buy a separate one. However I was able to move my sight with the MP by not clamping.

[marathonrunner]

Hey Bigseesul. wow you got a lot of gold stars. I hear once you get to 7 Valinda buys you a Glock 19...lol.....but anyway I hear you on stock trigger weight but I think 4 lbs would be acceptable. The apex duty carry does just that while leaving trigger weight stock.

[TimGiblin]

TRJ, I was not offended at all by the comments. I only get offended when people start acting belittling. I welcome constructive critiscm, but as far as taking classes yes that is in the works but I can definitely see a huge difference before the mods I made on my shield and once you get spoiled and have a gun that works awesome, it is hard to go back to stock. It is kind of like driving a Toyota and you love it .but once you drive a Bentley, it's hard to go back to a Toyota. Or to make things even more...its' like the cop who takes bribes of say 40K a day, then to have to work a job that pays $40K a year.....lol

 

Anyway, my biggest problem now is I am afraid to go to Gats. I know if I go there, I will probably buy the Glock 19. I honestly don't trust myself. I don't need another gun period. My 9C is very good accept the crummy hinged trigger, I have the Duty Carry already but the only thing that is missing is the apex aluminum trigger but I will have to send that to Apex, along with my trigger bar to have them pound it in. It has to be put in a vice as an armors block and a punch tool will not work. It is a huge hassle doing that.

 

The Glock 19 is also not very concealable but the maxpedition fatboy will make it a no brainer. But after looking at the Trijicon HD nightsites, I now want one on all my guns but this will require me to buy a separate sight pusher for each make. My MP will not work on my shield as I will have to buy a separate one. However I was able to move my sight with the MP by not clamping.

Hey I'm a gear queer too. I have 6 guns done up by http://ateiguns.com/ ate I became one with polymers after I cut my thumb down to the bone on a 240b didn't even feel it in 17 degrees. Took 2 years before I was comfortable shooting a 1911 single stack again, by then the transition was complete. I got 2 dressed up MPs did the stippling myself. They were gen 1s (whoops) blew them to smithereens by putting 18k through the gen 1 4.25 the firing pin failed, the extractor failed, the trigger bar failed, basically all the parts atei didn't work on broke (Thanks smith and wesson I hate you, they even made me buy the firing pin replacement) I got a shield cause I wanted one, I can't stand the trigger in it (It NEEDS an apex IMO hinge is too severe) it has its place.

 

Then my friends sent me a g19 and a mp all decked out to show off at my university contract, the G19 had night sights, the mp didn't (both late production, so the mp had the heavier firing pin, reshaped extractor and proprerly hardened trigger bar, the g19 had the correct extractor, ball trigger bar and recoil spring) so I started shooting the g19 for a while. 7k later I just like it.

 

Then I got in a car wreck and my RMRed shotgun got mothballed, and I had a g17 just sitting around, no one really uses it in the ccw classes so I sent it off to have the rmr put on it. When it comes back its getting 5k through it to see if I like the rmr.

 

Nothing wrong with getting different stuff. But to know what different stuff to go to you have to shoot, a lot. I'd probably sell off one of my custom mps one of these days but I wouldn't get half of what I have into them out of them, and when peoples guns break in class its always fun to hand them a 4 lb trigger reshaped MP. To quote the last guy that used it who was 65+ in one of our instructor classes "slightly longer initial take up, but as smooth a trigger as mybullseye 1911"

[ming]

 

TRJ, I was not offended at all by the comments. I only get offended when people start acting belittling. I welcome constructive critiscm, but as far as taking classes yes that is in the works but I can definitely see a huge difference before the mods I made on my shield and once you get spoiled and have a gun that works awesome, it is hard to go back to stock. It is kind of like driving a Toyota and you love it .but once you drive a Bentley, it's hard to go back to a Toyota. Or to make things even more...its' like the cop who takes bribes of say 40K a day, then to have to work a job that pays $40K a year.....lol

 

Anyway, my biggest problem now is I am afraid to go to Gats. I know if I go there, I will probably buy the Glock 19. I honestly don't trust myself. I don't need another gun period. My 9C is very good accept the crummy hinged trigger, I have the Duty Carry already but the only thing that is missing is the apex aluminum trigger but I will have to send that to Apex, along with my trigger bar to have them pound it in. It has to be put in a vice as an armors block and a punch tool will not work. It is a huge hassle doing that.

 

The Glock 19 is also not very concealable but the maxpedition fatboy will make it a no brainer. But after looking at the Trijicon HD nightsites, I now want one on all my guns but this will require me to buy a separate sight pusher for each make. My MP will not work on my shield as I will have to buy a separate one. However I was able to move my sight with the MP by not clamping.

Then I got in a car wreck and my RMRed shotgun got mothballed, and I had a g17 just sitting around, no one really uses it in the ccw classes so I sent it off to have the rmr put on it. When it comes back its getting 5k through it to see if I like the rmr.

I've got a Trijicon rmr on a Gen 3 G17. It is pretty awesome. My shooting partner says it's "like cheating", but there's nothing wrong with that IMO. I think rmr's on handguns are going to be a big thing in the future especially if they can get the price down some.