mab22

Surely exceptions like this have been brought up before or went to the courts already haven't they?

I think that's the disconnect, plenty of RED FLAGS being waived and warning signs being flashed, but it's "no no no it's all fine and good and a benefit" from the supporters. I suspect people seem to forgot years ago when Illinoisistan took aim at the FFL's and imposed all sorts of restrictions and there was a great gnashing of teeth as well as it's just the cost of doing business. If you look at the proposal and what's in it, strip out the shipping part, the "Istan" states and the democrats are licking their chops waiting to impose it at the state level and know it will be YEARS before it even makes it to the SCOTUS.

Umm pretty sure it was due to a waiting period. Which we have had in Illinoisistan for a while now....

All of my purchases have come back instantly, but I never get to leave with my purchase the same day. My point being is I’m tired of added waiting periods, additional hoops, for so called “conveniences”. Eventually the SCOTUS will come back and say you idiots keep giving them more and more of your rights so quit coming to us complaining.

And THEN there is the how long will they want the video of the transaction kept, what quality of video they demand 1080P or 4K? Then it's going to get stored and the government either feds, state or local will want it available 24x7x365 and they will want AI to be able to access it and then it will go so some company like FLOCK to track your image in some database that you the buyer didn't know about. ALL SO YOU CAN HAVE IT SHIPPED TO YOUR DOOR.... Yea! Lets give up more and more for a the ability to have it SHIPPED TO YOU like you could do 50 years ago from a catalog with FAR LESS intrusions then you had to back then. I will sit down now... 😠

How about I visit the FFL and do the paperwork and either I get it then, OR I can opt to have it shipped to me if it's something that needs to be ordered/shipped from somewhere. It would be "ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY" so I don't have to travel back to the FFL more then once which will save the planet. I prefer what I proposed as to waiting 7 freakin days just because some half wit politicians staffer or bureaucrat thinks it will make a difference, when not considering someone may need for a pending harm or immediate threat. We really need to stop accepting or doing "TRADE EZ" for an assumed benefit that can be made worse on a democrat whim. If you wait 7, 9, 10 days you can have it shipped to you if your local MDA group, police chief, fire chief, local PTA group, and mayor thinks it's okay. Just like the IL PICA Compliant rifle, the CA Compliant pistol, and on and on just so you can try and have the thing they banned.

Did any of the lawyers even bring up the Ceatano decision, not all attorneys know all the cases, you would think they would but they don't always know? Don't expect the judge or his staff to be on your side either.

That exactly why the states do it, drag it out as long as possible in the hopes the other side gets bored, tired of it, or runs out of money for attorneys.

What is the law under the ACT in question? If the signature is considered part of a Business transaction, I am not going to think to hard on this, the state law says it's legitimate. For reference, 815 ILCS 333/1

I have to ask, is this strictly limited to bring the case\suite as a 2A case, or can it be another constitutional protection that effects 2A, possibly indirectly but it is correlated to 2A?

FIFY.

Washington Gun Law had some interesting takeaways from Wilford V Lopez. Lots of clarifications for thing like Rahimi, Bruen, historical analogs, etc. Plus he uses a 1st amendment analog, suppose someone wearing a head scarf is not allowed into a place because of head scarf prohibitions....

And let us not forget the contortionist Roberts can always find a way to **** us in the end...

💯 As Sun Tsu said, To know your enemy, you must become your enemy. Personally I really don't think of them as an enemy, in America you have the right to be a dumb @55, unless your annoying me with it then I care.