Capt_Destro Posted July 15, 2013 at 05:53 AM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 05:53 AM Do we have a user called MSN/Bing (1) ? Cool Im famous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjon77 Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:32 AM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:32 AM There appears to be a lot of white people at those protests. The picture in New York is almost all whites. This makes me think that it isn't all about race, but more about the gun.There are some people that just fear guns. Why? Simply because it is designed to kill. That bothers some people. However, it doesn't bother me! If it comes down to an ATTACKER or ME going to the next dimension, I choose the person who is attacking me...! It is really beyond just the gun issue, or a race issue. For a lot of folks on the left, it is the idea of using a gun without consequences. Essentially, the narrative about Florida (and to some extent Texas) is that someone with a gun can shoot you and get away with it. That absolutely terrifies people. Most of my white and Asian liberal friends (as well as a lot of very liberal media outlets) have been repeating the theme that the TM/GZ case, as well as several others, demonstrate that gun owners can kill you without any repercussions. For instance, within the past few months I have heard from very liberal friends/and or media outlets of two self defense shootings that fit this narrative:The first story is about a guy in Texas who has a prostitute come to his house. She takes his money and makes an excuse to leave. He realizes that she is not coming back so he gets his AK47 and shoots at the car she was leaving in, killing her. The result? Not Guilty.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975 The second story was about the elderly Florida man who found his current wife getting boned by her ex-husband. He shoots the ex in the back and kills him. He asserts "Stand Your Ground" and is acquitted.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-70-acquitted-killing-wife-lover-mid-tryst-article-1.1360052 What is the most common complaint gun control advocates have against concealed carry? "It will turn the city/state/country into the Wild West!" Well, folks on the left are using these types of stories to paint the picture that the Wild West is already here because of SYG and/or CC. The thing gun rights advocates need to worry about is that this narrative is beginning to pick up steam. What could be the result? I DO NOT believe that this will result in a loss of concealed carry. People love that to much. However, I could absolutely see "duty to retreat" when outside of the home being introduced into the self defense statutes of more (but certainly not all) states over the next 5-15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Posted July 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 12:24 PM .....Court doesn't go by the truth, it's what you can prove - and there was no proof that Zimmerman did anything wrong. [Now this statement is about ANY court case, not just the Zimmerman case......] A lawyer friend of mine once told me truth, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I do think the jurors got this one right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted July 15, 2013 at 01:12 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 01:12 PM Seems like things are heating up and of course Obama is using the event to try and resuscitate gun control talks. This mornings headlines on Drudge... America gripped by second night of fury...Police fire rubber bullets in LA freeway...Thousands pack Times Square...CA protesters break windows, start fires...Cause Gridlock In Midtown Manhattan...'Every ing Cop Is a ing Target'...MARION BARRY: 'Good news is Zimmerman will never be in peace'...NY Giant: 'Doesn't Last Year Before Hood Catches Up to Him'...Falcons WR: Jurors 'Should Go Home Tonight And Kill Themselves'...Beyonce holds moment of silence at concert...Celebs React...Sharpton: 'Slap in Face'...OBAMA: HONOR TRAYVON WITH GUN-CONTROL...Justice Dept: Under Review...*PAPER: Federal case would face obstacles... **Lead Cop Told FBI Zimmerman Not A Racist... Sen. Reid: 'This isn't over'...Pastor delivers sermon in hoodie... Will jury remain anonymous? ZIMMERMAN: I WANT TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL...Legal Team Sets Sights On NBC... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Pucker Posted July 15, 2013 at 03:09 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 03:09 PM Personally I believe in a thing called white guilt. A lot of the pictures from NY the white people had signs saying "Racism Kills!" And other such antics. There's a whole bunch of white people who feel what's called white guilt aka white people are horrible people, too privileged, what we did a couple HUNDRED years ago was obviously bad so now we have to be apologetic and kiss butt for the rest of eternity. I'm not being speculative or saying anything crazy. When something comes out as racist in the media look at the people that are outraged and complaining ... Most of them are white. Read Ann Coulter's book, "Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the 70's to Obama." It provides a history (well annotated, I might add) of this exact subject and goes into detail of how the elites in the Democratic party and liberal media have successfully exploited white guilt for political gain. But the use of guilt is not limited to just matters of race, it can be used anywhere a "victim" can be found and a "villain" can be blamed. Typically the "villain" is---you guessed it---old white men. You don't need to dig very deep into today's headlines to figure out what other groups have been adopted by the elites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwing Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:17 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:17 PM Glad to see the verdict was rational. Mr. Zimmerman was guilty of making very poor tactical choices, but certainly not guitly of criminal activity. The "riots" are media-fueled, and will burn out quickly, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Ecks Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:30 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:30 PM It is really beyond just the gun issue, or a race issue. For a lot of folks on the left, it is the idea of using a gun without consequences. Essentially, the narrative about Florida (and to some extent Texas) is that someone with a gun can shoot you and get away with it. That absolutely terrifies people. Most of my white and Asian liberal friends (as well as a lot of very liberal media outlets) have been repeating the theme that the TM/GZ case, as well as several others, demonstrate that gun owners can kill you without any repercussions. For instance, within the past few months I have heard from very liberal friends/and or media outlets of two self defense shootings that fit this narrative:The first story is about a guy in Texas who has a prostitute come to his house. She takes his money and makes an excuse to leave. He realizes that she is not coming back so he gets his AK47 and shoots at the car she was leaving in, killing her. The result? Not Guilty.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/jilted-john-acquitted-texas-prostitute-death-article-1.1365975 The second story was about the elderly Florida man who found his current wife getting boned by her ex-husband. He shoots the ex in the back and kills him. He asserts "Stand Your Ground" and is acquitted.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-70-acquitted-killing-wife-lover-mid-tryst-article-1.1360052 What is the most common complaint gun control advocates have against concealed carry? "It will turn the city/state/country into the Wild West!" Well, folks on the left are using these types of stories to paint the picture that the Wild West is already here because of SYG and/or CC. The thing gun rights advocates need to worry about is that this narrative is beginning to pick up steam. What could be the result? I DO NOT believe that this will result in a loss of concealed carry. People love that to much. However, I could absolutely see "duty to retreat" when outside of the home being introduced into the self defense statutes of more (but certainly not all) states over the next 5-15 years. This is F'ing disturbing! Those two cases are definitely MURDER. They were NOT being attacked and their life was not endangered. Zimmerman was different. I said previously that - in my opinion - Zimmerman's actions (because his lack of experience) cause the chain of events to happen which resulted in Martin's death. ...BUT... Once Zimmerman was in the situation, getting beat up, he had a reasonable justification to use force. If somebody is kicking your butt you cannot determine reasonably that they will NOT try to kill you. ...HOWEVER... People cannot go around shooting people for crazy reasons such as "that Ho stole my money" or "that guy is screwing my wife". In those cases get another Ho and get another wife! You can't change people but you CAN change your situation! I can think of a thousand ways to justify murder by using those two cases as examples. Shootings should only be justified if your life or another's is in danger, or else the liberals are right, it is the Wild West (and ironically in that case I'll need my guns more than ever)...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:45 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:45 PM Talk about media bias during the trial, these head-lines after the verdict are sickening. I never thought any news outlet should be biased. "Shocking not guilty verdict" is not news. "verdict a travesty" is not news, it is ones opinion. Someone told me yesterday that the only reason to carry a gun is to hurt people. I said, "So the knife I carry with me every day for the last dozen years is to hurt people, but I haven't hurt anyone with it yet?" He said I carry it for work, I laughed at him and said "There is no way I would use my carry knife on a roof, that it was way too expensive and razor blades were cheaper and are the proper tool for a roofer." He went on to say that he teachers some law enforcement class at the local community college, I really don't like this couple. I said the only thing Zimmerman is guilty of is putting himself in a bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:48 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:48 PM Do all cops want to hurt people then? I think the carry evil guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 04:50 PM Do all cops want to hurt people then? I think the carry evil guns!I asked him that also. That's when he began muttering about teaching some law enforcement class. I wonder what qualifications he has, I know at some point he was an EMT, but if you ask him he is a professor and engineer, was talking about when He specified a generator for the water works or some crap. Every time I see this couple at my favorite watering hole I sigh and see how much beer I have to drink before I get to leave. We were arguing about what farm raised talipia eat, and I told him poop. Showed him a dirty jobs clip, he started explaining the shape of their mouth blah blah blah, then yesterday also told me, "I don't like talipia because most of it is farm raised and they feed it poop." I did all I could not to laugh in his face. He's one of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck888 Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:31 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:31 PM Things are getting worse. http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/340995/450/350/3_21_013108_Kenya.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjon77 Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:40 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:40 PM Things are getting worse. http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/340995/450/350/3_21_013108_Kenya.jpg Just so folks don't jump to conclusions, that is a picture of riots in Kenya (I think back in the spring). I know it seems weird of me to have to explain that, but as early as yesterday, someone posted a picture of what they claimed were riots happening in Miami Sunday as a result of the verdict. Some astute viewers looked at the video and realized that it was in fact photos of the riots in Vancouver Canada back in 2011, when the Canucks lost the Stanley Cup to the Bruins. http://o.canada.com/2013/07/14/miami-riots-not-real/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuse Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:44 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 06:44 PM Someone told me yesterday that the only reason to carry a gun is to hurt people. The reason I carry a gun (I mean WILL carry one, of course) isn't to hurt, it's to kill. I won't sugarcoat it. I will never draw it unless I feel that's what I have to do to protect my family or myself. My guns only purpose is to stop a threat - and the only intent I would have to pull it is to kill if needed. I'm sure the person you were having a discussion with didn't mean it quite that way, but that's the truth. The knife I carry is used for various things, including something as simple as cutting my sons straw shorter in a restaurant, but I'm never going to open a bottle with my gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borgranta Posted July 15, 2013 at 07:01 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 07:01 PM Things are getting worse. http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/340995/450/350/3_21_013108_Kenya.jpgWhen I saw the link to the picture in my email the very end of it said Kenya.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0untZer0 Posted July 15, 2013 at 07:04 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 07:04 PM Everything I've read says that a person uses the firearm to incapacitate an attacker -to cause them to cease their aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federal Farmer Posted July 15, 2013 at 08:52 PM Share Posted July 15, 2013 at 08:52 PM Everything I've read says that a person uses the firearm to incapacitate an attacker -to cause them to cease their aggression. Yes! Making statements against interest like the person to whom you are responding did is what leads to lengthy incarceration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted July 16, 2013 at 04:43 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 04:43 AM And it begins.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsAFrDec5o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Ecks Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:02 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:02 AM That is happening in Crenshaw, mostly men and they are carrying no protest signs.... You know WHY? Those are not protestors, those are gang members looking for an excuse to loot. LA better step up their game and squash this situation or else it will grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkroenlein Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:23 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:23 AM There are starting to be reported some isolated beatings with "for Trayvon" being yelled during to confrontation. More importantly though. WHY ON EARTH IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL ENCOURAGING THIS BEHAVIOR BY STATING HOW JUSTIFIED THE PROTESTERS ARE IN THEIR ANGER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:24 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:24 AM At east my 2nd set of armor came in today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjon77 Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:48 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 05:48 AM Yep, looks like the violence has started. Someone assaulted a 72 year old musician on because of all of this Trayvon stuff: oh, wait...http://www.contracos...ar-old-musician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted July 16, 2013 at 06:25 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 06:25 AM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUWm8-grLTs&feature=player_detailpage#t=83s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Ecks Posted July 16, 2013 at 07:02 AM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 07:02 AM Yep, looks like the violence has started. Someone assaulted a 72 year old musician on because of all of this Trayvon stuff: oh, wait...http://www.contracos...ar-old-musician As we know, there are crazies on "both sides of the aisle". ...It really is a sad thing to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:08 PM Bikes? BIKES? They are "protesting" the verdict by stealing BIKES? Methinks they just want an excuse to steal things. I wish the cops would beat them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpearson Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:45 PM At east my 2nd set of armor came in today. Ty where did you order your armour from?Thinking about getting a set of plates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyGuy Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:50 PM Check out this thread: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=39732&st=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneshot Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 12:59 PM 'MODERN DAY LYNCHING'...SHARPTON PLANS PROTESTS IN 100 CITIES...Rally Shuts Down Major Intersection In Newark... Baltimore Witness: Group of Blacks Beat Hispanic Man, Yelling 'This Is For Trayvon'...White jogger beaten...Protesters storm WALMART...Soul singer attacked after dedicating song to Trayvon...LAPD vows crackdown...Zimmerman's Parents in Hiding from 'Enormous Amount of Death Threats'... Lawyer: Prosecutors 'Disgrace to My Profession'... Oakland: Police Stood Down As 'Protesters' Terrorized Drivers...Verdict unleashed pent up rage... NUGENT: Vindicates citizen patrols, self-defense... Come oooooooooon carry!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinmcc Posted July 16, 2013 at 01:36 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 01:36 PM If Zimmerman was black and had killed some flavor of "white" guy would Sharpton be as upset? eh, probably not. Of course he'd be upset. He'd be upset Zimmerman was being charged with a crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyre400 Posted July 16, 2013 at 02:03 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 02:03 PM And it begins.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsAFrDec5o Its unusual how apologetic the woman is. She's really careful to separate the violent looters from the protesters. Save this video, because the woman says the police were not organized - there was no real response. Makes one wonder why anyone would ever need an AR15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted July 16, 2013 at 02:08 PM Share Posted July 16, 2013 at 02:08 PM Someone told me yesterday that the only reason to carry a gun is to hurt people. The reason I carry a gun (I mean WILL carry one, of course) isn't to hurt, it's to kill. I won't sugarcoat it. I will never draw it unless I feel that's what I have to do to protect my family or myself. My guns only purpose is to stop a threat - and the only intent I would have to pull it is to kill if needed. I'm sure the person you were having a discussion with didn't mean it quite that way, but that's the truth. The knife I carry is used for various things, including something as simple as cutting my sons straw shorter in a restaurant, but I'm never going to open a bottle with my gun. I have to sorta disagree. While I totally understand what you are saying, the first role of my gun is as a hopeful deterrent. "Stop! I have a gun! Get away now or I will shoot!" I hope if/when I pull the gun from my holster I don't have to kill. I'm hoping the attacker is sane enough to run away. Actually shooting it is the secondary role of the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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