70Chevellefan Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:41 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:41 PM I was researching the possibility of owning a SBR in Illinois and everyone I spoke to said it was possible if you complete a Form 1 from the ATF it is legal and meets the Federal requirements and then for Illinois you have to complete Curio and Relics license paperwork so that you can satisfy the "State" requirements. The bill used to read that it was ok to do this however a new bill is going to be voted on that will make it no longer legal if I'm reading it correctly. on the following link https://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB3994/id/1147001/Illinois-2015-HB3994-Introduced.html scroll down to page 9 Line #22 the very important word "or" has been crossed out meaning that you have to meet criterial in section A as well as section B because or is crossed out. So I guess i should clarify you had better be part of a reenactment club. Even still going out with an ar 15 with a light, foregrip, and aim point probably doesn't count sorry. And i have read a lot of responses that a CNR license will allow you to own a SBR so I contacted the ATF for clarification and they advised that a curio and relic has to be 50 years or older and "in its original state" IE you can't buy a Vietnam era M16 and put a shortened barrel on it because it "is no longer in its original state" now I tried to get crafty and say well what if a part of the gun breaks and you have to repair it and he "a gun lover himself" chuckled and advised that even if that were the case you are still modifying the barrel length so outta luck. So in a Nutshell SBR's are no longer allowed in Illinois and it was explained to me that even if you own one there is NOT any grandfathering in. So I guess i better just keep my AR pistols on hand. If anybody else has any other information please let me know since it seems to be scarce at times and I have read a lot of posts where people say they "know a guy who has a friend". I just do not want to see anybody get into hot water especially as felonies hinder gun ownership.
Tango7 Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:49 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:49 PM I was researching the possibility of owning a SBR in Illinois and everyone I spoke to said it was possible if you complete a Form 1 from the ATF it is legal and meets the Federal requirements and then for Illinois you have to complete Curio and Relics license paperwork so that you can satisfy the "State" requirements. The bill used to read that it was ok to do this however a new bill is going to be voted on that will make it no longer legal if I'm reading it correctly. on the following link https://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB3994/id/1147001/Illinois-2015-HB3994-Introduced.html scroll down to page 9 Line #22 the very important word "or" has been crossed out meaning that you have to meet criterial in section A as well as section B because or is crossed out. So I guess i should clarify you had better be part of a reenactment club. Even still going out with an ar 15 with a light, foregrip, and aim point probably doesn't count sorry. And i have read a lot of responses that a CNR license will allow you to own a SBR so I contacted the ATF for clarification and they advised that a curio and relic has to be 50 years or older and "in its original state" IE you can't buy a Vietnam era M16 and put a shortened barrel on it because it "is no longer in its original state" now I tried to get crafty and say well what if a part of the gun breaks and you have to repair it and he "a gun lover himself" chuckled and advised that even if that were the case you are still modifying the barrel length so outta luck. So in a Nutshell SBR's are no longer allowed in Illinois and it was explained to me that even if you own one there is NOT any grandfathering in. So I guess i better just keep my AR pistols on hand. If anybody else has any other information please let me know since it seems to be scarce at times and I have read a lot of posts where people say they "know a guy who has a friend". I just do not want to see anybody get into hot water especially as felonies hinder gun ownership. Must have missed the thread over here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=56345&hl=
70Chevellefan Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:52 PM Author Posted May 2, 2015 at 05:52 PM Gotcha thanks. But that post does not look very promising as the last post was some time ago. The issue I have is in the language "or" is omitted thus making you have to conform to A and B or C. I have my paperwork completed for c&r plus form 1 but I do not want to send it off for nothing
Tvandermyde Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:19 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:19 PM The bill was written for ratworx. Someone might want to tell them to leave writing legislation to us. The bill s not going anywhere at this point and SBRs are still legal
thedriver Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:31 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:31 PM Form 1 is when you fill out to get approval and tax paid to make the firearm, form 4 is to pay the tax and register the firearm but you need the c&r license before that
70Chevellefan Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:47 PM Author Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:47 PM Thank you I will go ahead and send of the c&r I figure it's only $35.00. As for building. No problems there as I have all the pieces already, legally of course (ar pistols) however with the atf stepping in and saying that the Sig brace had better only be used as such and it never shall be shouldered I want to cross my t's and dot my i's. As the Dirksen building is never fun.
Davey Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:50 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 06:50 PM The bill was written for ratworx. Someone might want to tell them to leave writing legislation to us.The bill s not going anywhere at this point and SBRs are still legalCan you elaborate on what is being attempted here? It's awfully difficult to follow along sometimes.
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:15 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:15 PM Atf did not say that. Not unless i missed something. Atf said shouldering the sig brace does not make it a sbr. That was april 2014 off the top of my head. I have retained a copy of the letter. Did something change?
Tvandermyde Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:26 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:26 PM Is is WRONG: "Form 1 is when you fill out to get approval and tax paid to make the firearm, form 4 is to pay the tax and register the firearm but you need the c&r license before that " You need the C&R first for either. Form1 is you build it Form 4 is you buy it You fill out either, depending on if you are building your own or buying one. With the cleo sign off, finger printes and submit the $200 tax. Then you wait. When tou get the tax stamps back, you can then build it or transfer it. Ratworx has a bunch of colt SBRs suck in limbo cause ATF says there is no provision in Illinois law for a dealer to sell SBRs. There is for manufacturers which is an 07 type FFL dealer is a 01 I believe. So they have a bunch of cash tied upmin guns they can't get andnor sell. So they need a change in the law. My guess is they went to their legislator, asked for help and someone drafted it wrong.
IH8IL Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:48 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:48 PM I wish they would do away with the c&r requirement. Then maybe I would build a sbr.
PsumGuy Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:56 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 07:56 PM Atf did not say that. Not unless i missed something. Atf said shouldering the sig brace does not make it a sbr. That was april 2014 off the top of my head. I have retained a copy of the letter. Did something change?http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54302
Davey Posted May 2, 2015 at 08:46 PM Posted May 2, 2015 at 08:46 PM I wish they would do away with the c&r requirement. Then maybe I would build a sbr.Pain yeah but easy paperwork. Don't need Leo sign off. Just mail it to the chief so he/she has a copy.
Kipp Jones Posted May 3, 2015 at 12:54 AM Posted May 3, 2015 at 12:54 AM Just buy and AR or AK pistol and be done with it.
Jen-in-Normal Posted May 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM Posted May 3, 2015 at 11:06 AM Jeez, more confusion. SBRs are still legal, as long as you follow one of the two criteria (C&R license or part of a reenactment group). I do hope this bill, if it's actually bring voted on, doesn't get passed. How many people have been killed by a rifle with a barrel less than 16" in the state of Illinois since the change went into effect? I'm guessing ZERO, so what problem does this bill solve? Oh, just a 'warm and fuzzy' for some politican. As for the AR & AK pistol, I don't want a long barreled pistol. I want a short barreled rifle! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted May 3, 2015 at 02:06 PM Posted May 3, 2015 at 02:06 PM Atf did not say that. Not unless i missed something. Atf said shouldering the sig brace does not make it a sbr. That was april 2014 off the top of my head. I have retained a copy of the letter. Did something change?http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54302 Thank you very much for that. This flew under my radar. I literally bought a sig brace Wednesday night based on the atf's previous ruling. I guess I'll keep the brace off for awhile and shoot it euro style with a sling.
Rockdiver Posted May 3, 2015 at 03:56 PM Posted May 3, 2015 at 03:56 PM The day they pull bs like that id the day I start a re enactment club in Oswego.
Tvandermyde Posted May 3, 2015 at 03:56 PM Posted May 3, 2015 at 03:56 PM people are suing the Sig brace to get around the NFA and SBR issues of cleo sign off and the tax stamp. ATF has said that its the intent and if you intend to circumvent the law, it's a violation of the NFA. it's not illegal to put one one and to use it as intended. the whole issue is always about intent.
AlphaKoncepts aka CGS Posted May 3, 2015 at 05:21 PM Posted May 3, 2015 at 05:21 PM The day they pull bs like that id the day I start a re enactment club in Oswego.Nice. BTW I called you yesterday.
RoadyRunner Posted May 5, 2015 at 03:05 AM Posted May 5, 2015 at 03:05 AM The day they pull bs like that id the day I start a re enactment club in Oswego. I'll be member #2 if you do this! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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