Tvandermyde Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:25 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:25 PM guys I am starting this as a place holder in case something breaks loose today and we don't have to wade through pages of other stuff
Camar10 Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:36 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:36 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Sweet, another forum to follow.
CGT Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:38 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:38 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Wahoo
Scots Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:39 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:39 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Allow me to suggest that we refrain from posting in this thread until a ruling is announced - for following and subscribing's sake. And yes, I realize I am making a post here in order to say that, but that's my humble suggestion/request at the expense of making a post myself.
Chicago Guy 77 Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:47 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 04:47 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Today maybe the day.
skinnyb82 Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:09 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:09 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Seconded. No conjecture. We do not fill this thread with posts until Stiehl rules. It is so ordered. Hehe Sent from my SCH-R530U using Tapatalk 2
KarlJ Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:10 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:10 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM - No reason given I'm gonna go to superdawg and take lakeshore back down. Maybe I'll be able to load and carry on way back
mauserme Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 05:21 PM · Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 06:42 PM - No reason given Hidden by mauserme, July 26, 2013 at 06:42 PM - No reason given If Todd says he needs some space, please give the man some space. I cleaned up unnecessary posts and will be back to get rid of mine if/when the situation warrants.
Tvandermyde Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:32 PM Author Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:32 PM Docket Text: ORDER DISMISSING CASE for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. MOTION for Declaration of Unconstitutionality and Preliminary and/or Permanent Injunction [75] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DISMISSED; MOTION to Expedite Briefing [76] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DENIED as moot; MOTION to Dismiss [78] filed by David Livesay, AND MOTION to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction [73] filed by Tyler R Edmonds, Patrick J Quinn, Lisa M Madigan are GRANTED. ACTION DUE by 8/9/2013--parties to brief issue of award of costs and fees. Signed by Judge William D. Stiehl on 7/26/2013. (jaf )
cshipley92 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:35 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:35 PM So Stiehl granted everything the state asked for? 7th here we come.
RonOglesby - Now in Texas Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:36 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:36 PM Holy crap. This is simply silly. the hate for guns drives these rulings. If it was VOTING or SPEECH or RECORDING a public official, or Illegal Searches! This would have have been different. If you dont believe that you are simply putting blinders on!
Illini_gun Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:37 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:37 PM Well, not the news I was hoping for. Will this be going to the 7th Circuit?
cshipley92 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:37 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:37 PM Wow, so he decided to ignore the order from the 7th to issue an injunction against the enforcement of the UUW/AUUW law. He must enjoy being overturned by the higher courts. LOL
RockerXX Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:39 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:39 PM Well lets hope the 7th waste no time in slapping IL courts back down...
moon Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:40 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:40 PM Docket Text:ORDER DISMISSING CASE for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. MOTION for Declaration of Unconstitutionality and Preliminary and/or Permanent Injunction [75] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DISMISSED; MOTION to Expedite Briefing [76] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DENIED as moot; MOTION to Dismiss [78] filed by David Livesay, AND MOTION to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction [73] filed by Tyler R Edmonds, Patrick J Quinn, Lisa M Madigan are GRANTED. ACTION DUE by 8/9/2013--parties to brief issue of award of costs and fees. Signed by Judge William D. Stiehl on 7/26/2013. (jaf ) Question on what I bolded in Red. Does this mean no FOID Carry?
TyGuy Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:40 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:40 PM Well lets hope the 7th waste no time in slapping IL courts back down...That's all this is. A game to waste more time for the people to have their rights denied. Oh well, disappointing, but what I expected nonetheless. Onwards and upwards.
jd11201 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:41 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:41 PM I would assume this possibility was anticipated, and there is some paperwork ready for the trip to CA7... If he's overturned a second time, on a constitutional matter, any chance to pull a "Colorado"? (recall ala impeachment)
cshipley92 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:41 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:41 PM Docket Text:ORDER DISMISSING CASE for lack of subject matter jurisdiction. MOTION for Declaration of Unconstitutionality and Preliminary and/or Permanent Injunction [75] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DISMISSED; MOTION to Expedite Briefing [76] filed by Mary Shepard, Illinois State Rifle Association is DENIED as moot; MOTION to Dismiss [78] filed by David Livesay, AND MOTION to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction [73] filed by Tyler R Edmonds, Patrick J Quinn, Lisa M Madigan are GRANTED. ACTION DUE by 8/9/2013--parties to brief issue of award of costs and fees. Signed by Judge William D. Stiehl on 7/26/2013. (jaf ) Question on what I bolded in Red. Does this mean no FOID Carry? For the moment, pending the anticipated appeal to the 7th, yes.
RockerXX Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM I would assume this possibility was anticipated, and there is some paperwork ready for the trip to CA7... Yeah, I would hope... It's been common speculation around there that it was going back to the 7th, I can't see the speculation from the ISRA/NRA lawyers being any different, and I suspect a rough draft that will only need to be cleaned up is ready to go 7th, in fact I would expect filing nearly immediately...
Phatty Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM Here's the order.Shepard Order.pdf
cshipley92 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM No FOID carry Not YET. LOL We all knew this would end up back at the 7th for final disposition one way or another. I just hope they move on it quickly. How much time does the state have to file an answer to the ISRA's appeal of this decision? I would assume this possibility was anticipated, and there is some paperwork ready for the trip to CA7... I would imagine so, although they will probably have to take a bit of time to answer his specific reasons for ruling the way he did.
TyGuy Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:46 PM I would love to see Posner lay the smack down, but IDK. I really don't have any feeling for which way he would rule.
bmyers Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:47 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:47 PM How can a lower court dismiss an upper courts ruling? I don't understand. Can someone give me some clarification?
TyGuy Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:49 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:49 PM How can a lower court dismiss an upper courts ruling? I don't understand. Can someone give me some clarification?They didn't. Basically they said the new FCCA law takes the place of the old UUW law so there has to be a new case as the current one dealt with the unconstiutionality of the old UUW law.
C0untZer0 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:51 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:51 PM Myerscough's ruling will be the same...
TyGuy Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:52 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:52 PM Myerscough's ruling will be the same...Probably, but it's worth the paperwork to find out. I'll be shocked if anything happens before 2014, but it's worth the good ol college try ain't it?
bmyers Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:53 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:53 PM So there is no UUW anymore in Illinois?
POAT54 Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:54 PM Posted July 26, 2013 at 06:54 PM I really get lost with all this legalese. What really concerns me is if the "new law" moots the claim. What prevents the GA from changing the law, re install a total ban? Yes the law is in place, but no permits for months.
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