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[Tvandermyde]

today Governor Quinn signed HB-142 to allow military re-enactors to own/possess and use SBRs.

It is now, Public Act 97-0465

http://ilga.gov/legi...p?Name=097-0465

[oneshot]

What period piece would one own for a reenactment, just out of curiosity?

[Tvandermyde]

any WWII sub sub-gun is fine with me.

Sterling, Sten, M3, PPS

[Federal Farmer]

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 12:35 PM, said:

any WWII sub sub-gun is fine with me.

Sterling, Sten, M3, PPS

Hmm...no preemption...

[Tvandermyde]

one piece at a time

[Uncle Harley]

ok so how does one become a BONAFIED  re-enactor?   And  what constitues and bonified re-inactment ? Does digging a trench in your front yard to defend your property count?  LOL

[Federal Farmer]

Uncle Harley, on 22 August 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

ok so how does one become a BONAFIED  re-enactor?   And  what constitues and bonified re-inactment ? Does digging a trench in your front yard to defend your property count?  LOL

First get a C&R FFL...

[Tvandermyde]

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

illinois group


http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html


membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

Annual Membership Dues
Regular   $20.00
Family     $20
(+ $5 per family member)
Associate $20.00
WWII HRS Application form
http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm




As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

[Uncle Harley]

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

illinois group


http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html


membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

Annual Membership Dues
Regular   $20.00
Family     $20
(+ $5 per family member)
Associate $20.00
WWII HRS Application form
http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm




As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF   doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?   Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging  where the case has to be designed for a firearm.   But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

[rott]

OK, I have to admit I do not know anything about this re-enactment stuff....does this allow us access to cool new toys?

[Uncle Harley]

rott, on 22 August 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

OK, I have to admit I do not know anything about this re-enactment stuff....does this allow us access to cool new toys?

if you want to jump through hoops yes

[Tvandermyde]

Uncle Harley, on 22 August 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

illinois group


http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html


membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

Annual Membership Dues
Regular   $20.00
Family     $20
(+ $5 per family member)
Associate $20.00
WWII HRS Application form
http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm




As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF   doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?   Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging  where the case has to be designed for a firearm.   But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

"IN the PROCESS OF   doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

show me where in the law it says that?

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

[pyre400]

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

show me where in the law it says that?

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

So are the NFA stamps required and can they be full auto versions?

[Uncle Harley]

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

Uncle Harley, on 22 August 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

illinois group


http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html


membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

Annual Membership Dues
Regular   $20.00
Family     $20
(+ $5 per family member)
Associate $20.00
WWII HRS Application form
http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm




As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF   doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?   Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging  where the case has to be designed for a firearm.   But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

"IN the PROCESS OF   doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

show me where in the law it says that?

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

This statement here taken from the original link  :  

for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments   


is what I was talking about, if you are using it to hunt coyotes that isn't a re-enactment.    I'm not trying to be agrumentive,  I'm not a lawyer, so that is why I asked.

[Uncle Harley]

all i'm saying is based on that one line, if you are in posession of it outside your home and it's not in a broken down state for transport,  then you had probably better have your WWII uniform on  ( or what ever war you are re-enacting)  and be in the midst of other Bonified re-enactors or you will probably get a ticket.

[Tvandermyde]

no full autos, just SBRs

[Sigma]

Uncle Harley, on 22 August 2011 - 02:06 PM, said:

all i'm saying is based on that one line, if you are in posession of it outside your home and it's not in a broken down state for transport,  then you had probably better have your WWII uniform on  ( or what ever war you are re-enacting)  and be in the midst of other Bonified re-enactors or you will probably get a ticket.

still shocked that he would sign it being that he is a democratic gun hater

[GarandFan]

pyre400, on 22 August 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

Tvandermyde, on 22 August 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

show me where in the law it says that?

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

So are the NFA stamps required ...?

Yes, that's a matter of fed law.

[pyre400]

GarandFan, on 22 August 2011 - 05:03 PM, said:

pyre400, on 22 August 2011 - 01:58 PM, said:

So are the NFA stamps required ...?

Yes, that's a matter of fed law.

Thanks. I wasnt sure if the C&R made some sort of exception for that, given how old the firearms are - its not a topic I know too much about.

[belercous]

Good on Quinn. It's a small step in the right direction.

[Davey]

So what qualifies as a vintage or historical SBR?

Also, this doesn't sound like I could take an SBR to a range and go plinking does it?

[Uncle Harley]

Davey, on 23 August 2011 - 03:20 AM, said:

So what qualifies as a vintage or historical SBR?

Also, this doesn't sound like I could take an SBR to a range and go plinking does it?

wear your WWII Garb!  LOL.   Why would you need to plink?  Re-enactment guns are carried unloaded or shoot blanks.   No practice needed.

[Davey]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

[Uncle Harley]

Davey, on 23 August 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that,  but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too,   Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms,  IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and  he gets to say  " see  I'm reasonable  I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

[Jeffrey]

Uncle Harley, on 23 August 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

Davey, on 23 August 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that,  but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too,   Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms,  IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and  he gets to say  " see  I'm reasonable  I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks.  Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.

[Tvandermyde]

they are not limited to shooting blanks.

[Uncle Harley]

Jeffrey, on 23 August 2011 - 11:31 AM, said:

Uncle Harley, on 23 August 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

Davey, on 23 August 2011 - 07:35 AM, said:

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that,  but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too,   Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms,  IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and  he gets to say  " see  I'm reasonable  I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks.  Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.

That is not what I said.   Of course they shoot real bullets!  But what re-enactor in their right mind would use live rounds in a historical  re-enactment though?

This is what the law just enacted states  copy and paste for original link in this thread


An active member of a bona fide, nationally     recognized military re-enacting group possessing a vintage     rifle or modern reproduction thereof with a barrel or     barrels less than 16 inches in length for the purpose of     using the rifle during historical re-enactments if    And then it goes on to say what hoops you have to go through to carry such gun during  said  re-anctment

Now no where in that statement does it say for the purpose of recreational shooting,  For the purpose of hunting,   for the purpose of self defense in your home.   It plainly states   " for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments.   At which point  the rules of the re-enactment would pretty much specify no live ammo during re-enactment.


Who knows mabey I'm waaaay in left field here???  But, no one has offerd a rebuttal.........  Period!   Let alone, one that makes sense as a viable point of debate.

[papa]

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There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?
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I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that, but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too, Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms, IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and he gets to say " see I'm reasonable I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"
[/quote]
I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.
[/quote]



That is not what I said. Of course they shoot real bullets! But what re-enactor in their right mind would use live rounds in a historical re-enactment though?

This is what the law just enacted states copy and paste for original link in this thread


[u]An active member of a bona fide, nationally [/u] [u]recognized military re-enacting group possessing a vintage [/u] [u]rifle or modern reproduction thereof with a barrel or [/u] [u]barrels less than 16 inches in length for the purpose of [/u] [u]using the rifle during historical re-enactments if [/u] And then it goes on to say what hoops you have to go through to carry such gun during said re-anctment

Now no where in that statement does it say for the purpose of recreational shooting, For the purpose of hunting, for the purpose of self defense in your home. It plainly states " for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments. At which point the rules of the re-enactment would pretty much specify no live ammo during re-enactment.


Who knows mabey I'm waaaay in left field here??? But, no one has offerd a rebuttal......... Period! Let alone, one that makes sense as a viable point of debate.
[/quote]

U.H. - Reread post #12

[Tvandermyde]

the purpose of "ownership" is one thing. But that does not limit the possession or other use, such as taking it to the range to make sure it functions. or to have in your home.

Got your C&R license? got your re-enactors membership card?

re-enactors do static displays as well and "living" displays and the blanks are fired in mock battles.

this is a start. we will move from here.

[Uncle Harley]

Tvandermyde, on 23 August 2011 - 12:55 PM, said:

the purpose of "ownership" is one thing. But that does not limit the possession or other use, such as taking it to the range to make sure it functions. or to have in your home.

Got your C&R license? got your re-enactors membership card?

re-enactors do static displays as well and "living" displays and the blanks are fired in mock battles.

this is a start. we will move from here.

I agree it is a start,  All I am saying is,  the way this is written you had better be able to prove you are in a re-enactment  should you get caught with one  this the remark about wearying wwII garb to the range.    Just like fanny pack carry is COMPLETLY legal  as a fanny pack is a case, but from what I understand  people  can still get arested for it and have to spend their own money defending themselves and that is why this site does not  officially promote fanny pack carry.


Trust me I don't mind one bit if someone wants to look at this as a loop hole, or some legal stepping stone to a court battle,  I am just saying


DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK


because you know dang good and well Todd if Chicago or Quinn thought people might be able to tote around an  SBR to gun ranges   or anywhere else  LOADED  they wouldn't have signed off on this bill why do you think it MUST be in a broken down state or not imeadatly accessable when transporting.  There was not intent for you to actually fire the weapon.


Todd  if you had a hand in writing this bill and it's your baby, Then I will apologise now for what I'm about to say............. It's is an ugly baby and I'm not too shy to say it.