Governor signs HB-143

[Tvandermyde]

today Governor Quinn signed HB-142 to allow military re-enactors to own/possess and use SBRs.

 

It is now, Public Act 97-0465

 

http://ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=097-0465

[oneshot]

What period piece would one own for a reenactment, just out of curiosity?

[Tvandermyde]

any WWII sub sub-gun is fine with me.

 

Sterling, Sten, M3, PPS

[Federal Farmer]

any WWII sub sub-gun is fine with me.

 

Sterling, Sten, M3, PPS

 

Hmm...no preemption... :Crying. =-(:

[Tvandermyde]

one piece at a time

[Uncle Harley]

ok so how does one become a BONAFIED re-enactor? And what constitues and bonified re-inactment ? Does digging a trench in your front yard to defend your property count? LOL

[Federal Farmer]

ok so how does one become a BONAFIED re-enactor? And what constitues and bonified re-inactment ? Does digging a trench in your front yard to defend your property count? LOL

 

First get a C&R FFL...

[Tvandermyde]

http://www.reenactor.net/forums/index.php?PHPSESSID=968992df8b5f1953e553b026a16656dd&

 

http://www.historyofwaronline.com/WW2-10.html

 

illinois group

 

 

http://www.secondinfantryreenacted.com/casa/index.html

 

 

membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

 

Annual Membership Dues

Regular $20.00

Family $20

(+ $5 per family member)

Associate $20.00

WWII HRS Application form

http://www.worldwartwohrs.org/JoinUs.htm

 

 

 

 

As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

[Uncle Harley]

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

 

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

 

illinois group

 

 

http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html

 

 

membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

 

Annual Membership Dues

Regular $20.00

Family $20

(+ $5 per family member)

Associate $20.00

WWII HRS Application form

http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm

 

 

 

 

As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

 

 

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home? Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging where the case has to be designed for a firearm. But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

[rott]

OK, I have to admit I do not know anything about this re-enactment stuff....does this allow us access to cool new toys? :Crying. =-(:

[Uncle Harley]

OK, I have to admit I do not know anything about this re-enactment stuff....does this allow us access to cool new toys?

 

 

if you want to jump through hoops yes

[Tvandermyde]

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

 

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

 

illinois group

 

 

http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html

 

 

membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

 

Annual Membership Dues

Regular $20.00

Family $20

(+ $5 per family member)

Associate $20.00

WWII HRS Application form

http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm

 

 

 

 

As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

 

 

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home? Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging where the case has to be designed for a firearm. But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

 

 

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

 

show me where in the law it says that?

 

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

[pyre400]

 

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

 

show me where in the law it says that?

 

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

 

So are the NFA stamps required and can they be full auto versions?

[Uncle Harley]

http://www.reenactor...553b026a16656dd&

 

http://www.historyof...com/WW2-10.html

 

illinois group

 

 

http://www.secondinf...casa/index.html

 

 

membership in The World War Two Re-enactment Society, Inc

 

Annual Membership Dues

Regular $20.00

Family $20

(+ $5 per family member)

Associate $20.00

WWII HRS Application form

http://www.worldwart....org/JoinUs.htm

 

 

 

 

As soon as I'm done with the pool house, I'm sending off for my C&R and joining this group.

 

 

 

 

Yes, but wouldn't you have to be IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home? Kinda like the more restrict gun case laws for hunging where the case has to be designed for a firearm. But you can only be charged with violation of it if you are in the Process of hunting?

 

 

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

 

show me where in the law it says that?

 

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

 

 

 

 

This statement here taken from the original link :

 

for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments

 

 

is what I was talking about, if you are using it to hunt coyotes that isn't a re-enactment. I'm not trying to be agrumentive, I'm not a lawyer, so that is why I asked.

[Uncle Harley]

all i'm saying is based on that one line, if you are in posession of it outside your home and it's not in a broken down state for transport, then you had probably better have your WWII uniform on ( or what ever war you are re-enacting) and be in the midst of other Bonified re-enactors or you will probably get a ticket.

[Tvandermyde]

no full autos, just SBRs

[Sigma]

all i'm saying is based on that one line, if you are in posession of it outside your home and it's not in a broken down state for transport, then you had probably better have your WWII uniform on ( or what ever war you are re-enacting) and be in the midst of other Bonified re-enactors or you will probably get a ticket.

 

 

still shocked that he would sign it being that he is a democratic gun hater

[GarandFan]

 

"IN the PROCESS OF doing an enactment to posess it outside your home?"

 

show me where in the law it says that?

 

being a re-enactor is part of the qualifications to own, and get past the blanket ban, there are no other restrictions on possession after that outside of transport.

 

So are the NFA stamps required ...?

 

Yes, that's a matter of fed law.

[pyre400]

So are the NFA stamps required ...?

 

Yes, that's a matter of fed law.

 

Thanks. I wasnt sure if the C&R made some sort of exception for that, given how old the firearms are - its not a topic I know too much about.

[belercous]

Good on Quinn. It's a small step in the right direction.

[Davey]

So what qualifies as a vintage or historical SBR?

 

Also, this doesn't sound like I could take an SBR to a range and go plinking does it?

[Uncle Harley]

So what qualifies as a vintage or historical SBR?

 

Also, this doesn't sound like I could take an SBR to a range and go plinking does it?

 

 

wear your WWII Garb! LOL. Why would you need to plink? Re-enactment guns are carried unloaded or shoot blanks. No practice needed.

[Davey]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

[Uncle Harley]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

 

 

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that, but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too, Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms, IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and he gets to say " see I'm reasonable I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

[Jeffrey]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

 

 

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that, but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too, Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms, IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and he gets to say " see I'm reasonable I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.

[Tvandermyde]

they are not limited to shooting blanks.

[Uncle Harley]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

 

 

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that, but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too, Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms, IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and he gets to say " see I'm reasonable I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.

 

 

 

That is not what I said. Of course they shoot real bullets! But what re-enactor in their right mind would use live rounds in a historical re-enactment though?

 

This is what the law just enacted states copy and paste for original link in this thread

 

 

An active member of a bona fide, nationally recognized military re-enacting group possessing a vintage rifle or modern reproduction thereof with a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches in length for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments if And then it goes on to say what hoops you have to go through to carry such gun during said re-anctment

 

Now no where in that statement does it say for the purpose of recreational shooting, For the purpose of hunting, for the purpose of self defense in your home. It plainly states " for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments. At which point the rules of the re-enactment would pretty much specify no live ammo during re-enactment.

 

 

Who knows mabey I'm waaaay in left field here??? But, no one has offerd a rebuttal......... Period! Let alone, one that makes sense as a viable point of debate.

[papa]

There's no way to use this as a loop hole into owning an SBR for recreational shooting?

 

 

I am not a lawyer so I can't answer that, but What I DO KNOW and everyone else here does too, Quinn isn't going to to sign a gun bill that really gives us any freedoms, IMO this was a compromise, it's something that only effects a very small percentage of us and he gets to say " see I'm reasonable I signed this new gun law in favor of gun owners"

I personally don't really consider this a new gun law if the "gun" is only capable of shooting blanks. Just to avoid any misunderstanding, I do get where you are coming from.

 

 

 

That is not what I said. Of course they shoot real bullets! But what re-enactor in their right mind would use live rounds in a historical re-enactment though?

 

This is what the law just enacted states copy and paste for original link in this thread

 

 

An active member of a bona fide, nationally recognized military re-enacting group possessing a vintage rifle or modern reproduction thereof with a barrel or barrels less than 16 inches in length for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments if And then it goes on to say what hoops you have to go through to carry such gun during said re-anctment

 

Now no where in that statement does it say for the purpose of recreational shooting, For the purpose of hunting, for the purpose of self defense in your home. It plainly states " for the purpose of using the rifle during historical re-enactments. At which point the rules of the re-enactment would pretty much specify no live ammo during re-enactment.

 

 

Who knows mabey I'm waaaay in left field here??? But, no one has offerd a rebuttal......... Period! Let alone, one that makes sense as a viable point of debate.

 

U.H. - Reread post #12

[Tvandermyde]

the purpose of "ownership" is one thing. But that does not limit the possession or other use, such as taking it to the range to make sure it functions. or to have in your home.

 

Got your C&R license? got your re-enactors membership card?

 

re-enactors do static displays as well and "living" displays and the blanks are fired in mock battles.

 

this is a start. we will move from here.

[Uncle Harley]

the purpose of "ownership" is one thing. But that does not limit the possession or other use, such as taking it to the range to make sure it functions. or to have in your home.

 

Got your C&R license? got your re-enactors membership card?

 

re-enactors do static displays as well and "living" displays and the blanks are fired in mock battles.

 

this is a start. we will move from here.

 

I agree it is a start, All I am saying is, the way this is written you had better be able to prove you are in a re-enactment should you get caught with one this the remark about wearying wwII garb to the range. Just like fanny pack carry is COMPLETLY legal as a fanny pack is a case, but from what I understand people can still get arested for it and have to spend their own money defending themselves and that is why this site does not officially promote fanny pack carry.

 

 

Trust me I don't mind one bit if someone wants to look at this as a loop hole, or some legal stepping stone to a court battle, I am just saying

 

 

DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK

 

 

because you know dang good and well Todd if Chicago or Quinn thought people might be able to tote around an SBR to gun ranges or anywhere else LOADED they wouldn't have signed off on this bill why do you think it MUST be in a broken down state or not imeadatly accessable when transporting. There was not intent for you to actually fire the weapon.

 

 

Todd if you had a hand in writing this bill and it's your baby, Then I will apologise now for what I'm about to say............. It's is an ugly baby and I'm not too shy to say it.