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JackTripper

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Nomad Member

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When someone is picked up with an illegal weapon, the Chicago police and the Cook County state's attorney — and sometimes federal law-enforcement officials — decide whether to bring felony charges, which fall under federal and state laws. Violating a city ordinance is not a felony.

 

Of course, having a misdemeanor on your record is not good, especially if you had a clean record in the first place. But as the article states, most arrests do not end up as convictions. Illinois' Hale DeMar law could possibly come into play, assuming you used a non-registered gun inside your home exclusively.

 

It mystifies me how the city can't easily verify one of the former police officers just because the retired is not on the police pension. Um, hello? Personnel records?

GarandFan Member

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Sorry. I checked this sub forum, but obviously not the national forum, as it is a Chicago issue.

Mods, feel free to close/delete/merge.

 

I posted it in National because of the source ... largely a Chicago issue being discussed nationally.

junglebob Member

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When someone is picked up with an illegal weapon, the Chicago police and the Cook County state's attorney — and sometimes federal law-enforcement officials — decide whether to bring felony charges, which fall under federal and state laws. Violating a city ordinance is not a felony.

 

Of course, having a misdemeanor on your record is not good, especially if you had a clean record in the first place. But as the article states, most arrests do not end up as convictions. Illinois' Hale DeMar law could possibly come into play, assuming you used a non-registered gun inside your home exclusively.

 

It mystifies me how the city can't easily verify one of the former police officers just because the retired is not on the police pension. Um, hello? Personnel records?

Chicago won't give Mr. Sherman a retired police officer a handgun license until he gets further training. Chicago ordinances are a cruel joke even for retired LEOs. He probably has a license to carry in all 50 states, but Chicago doesn't trust him to own a handgun.

Xwing Member

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Chicago won't give Mr. Sherman a retired police officer a handgun license until he gets further training. Chicago ordinances are a cruel joke even for retired LEOs. He probably has a license to carry in all 50 states, but Chicago doesn't trust him to own a handgun.

 

Chicago doesn't trust any citizens. Since he's a former police officer, Daley and his ilk would rather treat him poorly. Only a current member of Daley's elite can expect good treatment by that bunch.

Beezil Member

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the cfp are most definitly assending in alpha-numeric order starting with AA 00000. I was told that the first bunch of numbers were issued for test and internal usage. So the actual overall number issued to everyday citizens so far is a small bunch LESS than reported.

 

I EXPECTED a HUGE percentage of gun owners would ignore the ordinance......but to be this far along and only have 226+ issued just goes to show how bad it is....and I don't buy the explanation that somehow EVERYONE is waiting for their brand new foids to arrive?

 

whatever.

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Mr. Fife Member

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the cfp are most definitly assending in alpha-numeric order starting with AA 00000. I was told that the first bunch of numbers were issued for test and internal usage. So the actual overall number issued to everyday citizens so far is a small bunch LESS than reported.

 

I EXPECTED a HUGE percentage of gun owners would ignore the ordinance......but to be this far along and only have 226+ issued just goes to show how bad it is....and I don't buy the explanation that somehow EVERYONE is waiting for their brand new foids to arrive?

 

whatever.

 

The number is now at around 500 permits issued, if the AA 00000 numbers were issued consecutively.

That's $50K so far for some lucky contractor friend of you know who.

Nomad Member

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I EXPECTED a HUGE percentage of gun owners would ignore the ordinance......but to be this far along and only have 226+ issued just goes to show how bad it is....

 

As far as I'm concerned, this is a newer gun ban. Good citizens ignored the old gun ban since inception and they will continue to ignore this new one.

JackTripper Member

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I EXPECTED a HUGE percentage of gun owners would ignore the ordinance......but to be this far along and only have 226+ issued just goes to show how bad it is....

 

As far as I'm concerned, this is a newer gun ban. Good citizens ignored the old gun ban since inception and they will continue to ignore this new one.

You should try to register an in home gun in NYC. Now that is a gun ban :whistle:

Mr. Fife Member

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I EXPECTED a HUGE percentage of gun owners would ignore the ordinance......but to be this far along and only have 226+ issued just goes to show how bad it is....

 

As far as I'm concerned, this is a newer gun ban. Good citizens ignored the old gun ban since inception and they will continue to ignore this new one.

 

 

Good citizens must have felt the old gun ban was affordable, however the new one isn't. At a minimum of $1000 to a max of $5000, and as minimum of 20 days to a max of 90 days, I find that paying the training, permitting, and registration costs is a bargain. The rates go up to 10K and six months or a second offense.

chicago guy Member

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I wonder where this 200 + number is coming from? When I turned my app. in last Wed. I struck up a conversation w/ the sargent on duty. He agreed the whole thing is set up to discourage people from applying, but he also said " It isn't working too well, we have between 50 and 60 applications everyday, in spite of the hassle." Seems to me the 200 or so number is too low.
RandyP Member

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I need to take a trip to Kinkos to see about getting it shrunk down and laminated to wallet size. "Supposedly" if they can read the CFP number that would suffice in a police stop? I will be doing someting similar for my firearm registrations.
JackTripper Member

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I would think that many of the folks coming in now are like myself - Chicago residents, without a FOID.

 

I would say that I got my CFP about as quick as one could, in that situation.

I applied for the FOID the day after McDonald. While awaiting the FOID, I was able to get my training certificate, so when the FOID showed up, I was able to do the CFP application the next day.

 

Given all that, I got my CFP in the mail on September 4th. There should be a nice bump in the numbers over the next 8 weeks, but given what we know about things so far, I would think the CFP apps will taper off soon.

 

A good way to check might be to call the larger training providers to see if the classes are still full. They certainly were, 2 months ago.

Gary Member

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With five hundred or so murders every year, I would think that there would be at least 2000 or 3000 guns that would need to be registered as quickly as possible. Do you meen we don't see a bunch of guys with low riding pants coming in to register their nine. If not, I wonder why? No, I really do. Aren't the nolders of these guns fearfully of the penalties set up for non-registration. Hmmmm?
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Where do CFP holders keep their document when they go to the range?

In the gun case? If the CFP sticks around, I really hope it turns into something I can put in my wallet.

 

I bought laminate sheeets and laminated tem so they'll last awhile. When I go shooting I keep them in the glovebox.

Yas Member

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Curious as to asking if anyone has an idea of how many registered hand gun owners were on the books under the old 1982 restrictions. I know as the years advanced from the initial registration for any grandfathered handguns will have reduced the number of "Legally registered" handguns due to owners passing away, moving from the city , and failing to reregister each year in a timely manner or deciding to no-longer file a renewal each year.

 

 

Does anyone have a ball park number of how many were still actively registering grandfathered handguns before the McDonald victory change?

JackTripper Member

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Does anyone have a ball park number of how many were still actively registering grandfathered handguns before the McDonald victory change?

 

From a 1994 article:

 

THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CASE IN CHICAGO, where the 1983 freeze has driven gun ownership underground. Since the freeze, the number of registered handguns has declined precipitously as owners have died or have failed to re-register. Just after the ordinance went into effect, there were about 400,000 handguns registered in Chicago. The Chicago Police Department says that number currently stands at 143,000.

 

Total official registration of all guns, including rifles, shotguns, and handguns, has declined at a similar clip. In 1982, residents registered 727,000 guns. Twelve years later, that number stands at 215, 134, even though Chicagoans can still legally buy long guns. While numbers of registered weapons have fallen, few observers assert that the smaller numbers mean fewer weapons actually in circulation.

 

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_n4_v26/ai_15630195/

Xwing Member

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From a 1994 article:

 

THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CASE IN CHICAGO, where the 1983 freeze has driven gun ownership underground. Since the freeze, the number of registered handguns has declined precipitously as owners have died or have failed to re-register. Just after the ordinance went into effect, there were about 400,000 handguns registered in Chicago. The Chicago Police Department says that number currently stands at 143,000.

 

 

So in 11 years, it dropped by more in half. Now, 16 years later when this right was finally restored (albeit in an extremely limited and un-constitutional manner), I wonder. It would be really interesting to see how many folks had grandfathered handgun registrations the day before McDonald. It would be nice to compare the "before" and "after" after the new registration scheme has run for a year. Is this info public knowledge, that would submit to a FOA request?

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From a 1994 article:

 

THAT IS CERTAINLY THE CASE IN CHICAGO, where the 1983 freeze has driven gun ownership underground. Since the freeze, the number of registered handguns has declined precipitously as owners have died or have failed to re-register. Just after the ordinance went into effect, there were about 400,000 handguns registered in Chicago. The Chicago Police Department says that number currently stands at 143,000.

 

 

So in 11 years, it dropped by more in half. Now, 16 years later when this right was finally restored (albeit in an extremely limited and un-constitutional manner), I wonder. It would be really interesting to see how many folks had grandfathered handgun registrations the day before McDonald. It would be nice to compare the "before" and "after" after the new registration scheme has run for a year. Is this info public knowledge, that would submit to a FOA request?

 

Here are the instructions for submitting a FOIA request to the CPD. I'm still looking for it, but I recall finding a spot that listed current FOIA requests in-process.

 

ETA: Here is the FOIA request log.

Federal Farmer Member

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My wife spoke to the guy in charge of the gun registrations and was told that there are people registering 300 and more firearms, so I don't feel like such a gun nut now. 300 would have cost $35/year under the old system but under the new system it is a one-time charge of $4500!
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My wife spoke to the guy in charge of the gun registrations and was told that there are people registering 300 and more firearms, so I don't feel like such a gun nut now. 300 would have cost $35/year under the old system but under the new system it is a one-time charge of $4500!

 

Unconstitutional discrimination. Only the rich can afford to exercise their rights in Chicago. Many people can't afford to exercise their right just for one gun.

Xwing Member

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ETA: Here is the FOIA request log.

 

FOIA request form filled out and sent to CPD: I will post when I get a response.

 

Couple of interesting requests in that log:

Statistics regarding numbers of people charged and convicted for violating handgun ban from 2005 thru 2010 from the Chicago Reader

All charges and citations made since inception of gun ban ordinance from the Chicago Tribune

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