CCL & FOID Totals - Nonresident and Resident - 1 Aug 2016

[kwc]

I obtained the information below via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Illinois State Police. To review last month's thread on this topic, please visit this link.

As of the end of the day on July 31, 2016, there were 190,610 active FCCLs (190,581 resident + 29 nonresident) and 2,040,231 active FOID cards.

The first table below captures the current cumulative totals, as of end of day July 31, 2016, for Illinois Concealed Carry Licenses (CCLs) issued to nonresidents and residents since the program began. Note that these totals represent the total number ISSUED, and are not adjusted for those that have since been revoked or cancelled. This table also includes totals for CCLs that have been denied, revoked, or currently awaiting action from the Concealed Carry Licensing Review Board (CCLRB). The paragraph below the table shows the number of CCLs and FOID cards currently active, accounting for those that have since been inactivated.

The second table provides a trend analysis based on prior FOIA requests on CCL totals since Aug 2015. Earlier trend data is available via prior threads (for example, see Mar 1, 2016 report here).

Some additional observations:

* The backlog of CCLs pending CCLRB review remains at 2,293. (Either this is being misreported or the CCLRB didn't finalize any decisions since the July report.)

* 4,596 FCCL applications were submitted in the last month.

* The total number of active FCCL licensees rose by 3,754 in July.

* The number of active FOID holders rose by 14,447 in July.

 

 

[04 Cobra]

Thanks for the update... Good work as usual!!!

[Tango7]

I find it interesting that their total CCL holder numbers are so far below the pre-enactment estimates - but those were based on lower costs (esp. renewals and address changes thanks to we law abiding citizens covering the negligent budget vetos of Blago and Quimby)) and the ability for non-residents from more than 4 states to actually obtain one.

[Hipshot Percussion]

I find it interesting that their total CCL holder numbers are so far below the pre-enactment estimates - but those were based on lower costs (esp. renewals and address changes thanks to we law abiding citizens covering the negligent budget vetos of Blago and Quimby)) and the ability for non-residents from more than 4 states to actually obtain one.

I think if you strike down the restriction of carrying on Public Transportation, that number jumps BIG

[Molly B.]

I find it interesting that their total CCL holder numbers are so far below the pre-enactment estimates - but those were based on lower costs (esp. renewals and address changes thanks to we law abiding citizens covering the negligent budget vetos of Blago and Quimby)) and the ability for non-residents from more than 4 states to actually obtain one.

 

 

I don't know if we're really that far off. The estimated number was 400,000 according to per capita licenses in other states. It takes about 5 years after licensing begins to reach the average. We're a little over two years into the process and already halfway there . . .

[OrlandInstructor]

Thanks for the update.

[cb56]

I'll be doing my part as soon as they get the web page back up and running.

Got my certificate this weekend for completing the 16 hour course. My wife will be doing the same in the next coming months.

and yes, expense has alot to do with it. I had to save up for class, license and smaller gun before I could proceed.

Now we are saving up same for my wife.

[Tango7]

 

I find it interesting that their total CCL holder numbers are so far below the pre-enactment estimates - but those were based on lower costs (esp. renewals and address changes thanks to we law abiding citizens covering the negligent budget vetos of Blago and Quimby)) and the ability for non-residents from more than 4 states to actually obtain one.

 

I don't know if we're really that far off. The estimated number was 400,000 according to per capita licenses in other states. It takes about 5 years after licensing begins to reach the average. We're a little over two years into the process and already halfway there . . .

 

 

Not picking nits - or trying to dis you in your own house - but when HB0148 was filed in 2011 the ISP and LRS offered the following analysis for the fiscal note requested by everyone's favorite 2A supporter Herr Osterreich - excuse me, Harry Osterman:

 

HB 148 (H-AM 2) fiscal impact is as follows: With a conservative estimate of 325,000 permit applications in the first year, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will require twenty-five new civilian personnel plus two contractual employees for six months each, and $51,000 for equipment and materials representing an increase of approximately $2,978,038 to properly administer this mandate. HB 148 will also generate revenue for the Illinois State Police. The FY 12 total revenue projections are estimated to be at $31,875,000. These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years. At the same time, the Illinois State Police will continue to process record levels of FOID applications.

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$100 resident or non-resident for 5 years, the only "hard" LGFZ's were state executive and legislative offices, courthouses, government meeting halls or council chambers, secure portions of airports, gaming facilities, amusement parks, sporting venues, and jails. Libraries, schools, and local government buildings could permit carry if they wished. [/size]

 

And there was a specific allowance for public transit carry.[/size] A resolution or ordinance shall not prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm in a public transportation facility or while accessing the services of a public transportation agency.

 

Bill Status for HB0148 - 97th General Assembly

[Molly B.]

 

Not picking nits - or trying to dis you in your own house - but when HB0148 was filed in 2011 the ISP and LRS offered the following analysis for the fiscal note requested by everyone's favorite 2A supporter Herr Osterreich - excuse me, Harry Osterman:

 

 

 

HB 148 (H-AM 2) fiscal impact is as follows: With a conservative estimate of 325,000 permit applications in the first year, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will require twenty-five new civilian personnel plus two contractual employees for six months each, and $51,000 for equipment and materials representing an increase of approximately $2,978,038 to properly administer this mandate. HB 148 will also generate revenue for the Illinois State Police. The FY 12 total revenue projections are estimated to be at $31,875,000. These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years. At the same time, the Illinois State Police will continue to process record levels of FOID applications.

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$100 resident or non-resident for 5 years, the only "hard" LGFZ's were state executive and legislative offices, courthouses, government meeting halls or council chambers, secure portions of airports, gaming facilities, amusement parks, sporting venues, and jails. Libraries, schools, and local government buildings could permit carry if they wished. [/size]

 

And there was a specific allowance for public transit carry.[/size] A resolution or ordinance shall not prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm in a public transportation facility or while accessing the services of a public transportation agency.

 

Bill Status for HB0148 - 97th General Assembly

 

 

And why would we base our expectation on a government agency crunching the numbers, estimating the cost of a bill they didn't want and who knew nothing about the national averages or anything else about concealed carry?

[Glock23]

 

 

Not picking nits - or trying to dis you in your own house - but when HB0148 was filed in 2011 the ISP and LRS offered the following analysis for the fiscal note requested by everyone's favorite 2A supporter Herr Osterreich - excuse me, Harry Osterman:

 

 

 

HB 148 (H-AM 2) fiscal impact is as follows: With a conservative estimate of 325,000 permit applications in the first year, the Illinois State Police (ISP) will require twenty-five new civilian personnel plus two contractual employees for six months each, and $51,000 for equipment and materials representing an increase of approximately $2,978,038 to properly administer this mandate. HB 148 will also generate revenue for the Illinois State Police. The FY 12 total revenue projections are estimated to be at $31,875,000. These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years. At the same time, the Illinois State Police will continue to process record levels of FOID applications.

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$100 resident or non-resident for 5 years, the only "hard" LGFZ's were state executive and legislative offices, courthouses, government meeting halls or council chambers, secure portions of airports, gaming facilities, amusement parks, sporting venues, and jails. Libraries, schools, and local government buildings could permit carry if they wished. [/size]

 

And there was a specific allowance for public transit carry.[/size] A resolution or ordinance shall not prohibit a licensee from carrying a concealed firearm in a public transportation facility or while accessing the services of a public transportation agency.

 

Bill Status for HB0148 - 97th General Assembly

 

 

And why would we base our expectation on a government agency crunching the numbers, estimating the cost of a bill they didn't want and who knew nothing about the national averages or anything else about concealed carry?

 

I could be wrong, but I think his point is more to the notion that we're so far off of the initial estimates because the license is much more expensive and much more restrictive than it was initially proposed. I know many people who refrained from getting their CCL for one or both of those reasons.

[Hazborgufen]

I could be wrong, but I think his point is more to the notion that we're so far off of the initial estimates because the license is much more expensive and much more restrictive than it was initially proposed. I know many people who refrained from getting their CCL for one or both of those reasons.

 

 

Same here, particularly some of my friends who live in the City and rely on public transport. They figure that it's pointless to spend so much money to get a license that they can't really use anywhere. Remove public transport prohibitions and I know a few people who will apply the next day.

[Molly B.]

I could be wrong, but I think his point is more to the notion that we're so far off of the initial estimates because the license is much more expensive and much more restrictive than it was initially proposed. I know many people who refrained from getting their CCL for one or both of those reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, sure! That's a given. I'm just saying in light of all the handicaps we have with this law and the process, we have better numbers than many expected.

[Tango7]

I could be wrong, but I think his point is more to the notion that we're so far off of the initial estimates because the license is much more expensive and much more restrictive than it was initially proposed. I know many people who refrained from getting their CCL for one or both of those reasons.

 

It was. It was also expressing interest at the fact that despite the outright contempt many* at the ISP have for RKBA types, their comment in their Fiscal note "These estimates are conservative and based on record levels of FOID card applications and firearm transfer requests over the last four years." seems to imply that they actually expected higher numbers.

 

Thanks to the "gimmes" included by Little Debbie and the rest of {D}a Chicago machine we'll never know.

 

* I specify "many" because there were those brave souls in khaki who stood tall with star on chest and Constitution in heart and told Little Missy Madigan to pound sand when she demanded the release of FOID info under FOIA for her fawning hacks in the media. If I ever meet them and have the cash, the first round's on me.

[chislinger]

Is there a way to find number of CCLs and FOID cards by ZIP code?

[BigBL87]

I'm one of those 4,596.

 

Submitted mine on the 17th of last month, hopefully I beat the averages on wait time1