mack69 Posted August 19, 2009 at 05:08 PM Posted August 19, 2009 at 05:08 PM Hi all, does anyone know if there has been any movement on HB182. I know the Gov still has some time to ponder.
Topper Posted August 19, 2009 at 10:33 PM Posted August 19, 2009 at 10:33 PM Hi all, does anyone know if there has been any movement on HB182. I know the Gov still has some time to ponder. Howdy mack, Todd posted this on June 27th. http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?s...81&hl=HB182 He had 60 days from that point to do what ever he decides to do.T0PP3R
PPK Posted August 20, 2009 at 12:13 AM Posted August 20, 2009 at 12:13 AM August 26??Or possibly the 25th. It was sent to the Governor on June 26. :lips sealed:
Ol'Coach Posted August 20, 2009 at 02:34 AM Posted August 20, 2009 at 02:34 AM August 26??Or possibly the 25th. It was sent to the Governor on June 26. :lips sealed: Right...Todd POSTED on the 27th. My bad!
Xwing Posted August 20, 2009 at 03:49 PM Posted August 20, 2009 at 03:49 PM August 26??Or possibly the 25th. It was sent to the Governor on June 26. So, as long as he doesn't veto it in the next 5 days, it becomes law? Cool!
Sigma Posted August 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM Posted August 20, 2009 at 10:26 PM Yes less than a week away. Then what happens. Does it automatically go ito effect at 12:01am or is there more red tape that has to be cut. Also with all the back and forth putting the bill together I wish someone could make a summary in terms even I could understand.Sounds to me like this bill gets us right to carry in our hotel room or my buddy's house IF I spend the night.Is there more to it that I missed? Don't get me wrong I am extremely greatful for any movement toward OC or CC
Tvandermyde Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:03 PM Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:03 PM The antigunners put out an email last week urging more calls tot he Governor since he hasn't vetoed the bill. We should re-double our efforts for the next week. The bill will take effect upon becoming law. In the simplest terms it allows you to have a firearm on the property or land of another with their permission. No overnight stay is required. So you go to your friends house to show him your new gun, you're good. Stay at a friends house fine too. Hotels, campers so forth. what else would you like to know?
Silver Guardian Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:03 PM Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:03 PM In the simplest terms it allows you to have a firearm on the property or land of another with their permission. How is "Permission" defined?
Tvandermyde Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:49 PM Posted August 20, 2009 at 11:49 PM it's not by design. It can be verbal, written or even given after the fact.
RobR369 Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:18 AM Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:18 AM What about permission at a restaurant? When you walk up to the door and the host opens it and says "welcome come on in" does that constitute permission or does it have to be by the property owner? Next question, if he vetoes it on the last day(which I think is gonna happen) then what? Where does it go from there and how much longer is the process of the next step?
Tvandermyde Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:42 AM Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:42 AM rob -- that is what the otherside is saying that this becomes a defacto concealed carry bill. I wouldn't push it that far. It does not matter when he vetos the bill. It is then taken up during the veto session. It starts in the house of orgin, in this case the House, must pass by a super majority, 71 votes. Then moves to the senate where it will be debated and will require 36 votes. I don't think either will be much of a problem. But I am optimistic that we won't have to go that route.
abolt243 Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:44 AM Posted August 21, 2009 at 01:44 AM What about permission at a restaurant? When you walk up to the door and the host opens it and says "welcome come on in" does that constitute permission or does it have to be by the property owner? Next question, if he vetoes it on the last day(which I think is gonna happen) then what? Where does it go from there and how much longer is the process of the next step? I'm guessing here, but I'd say that "Welcome, come on in" would not constitute conferring permission to carry a gun into the restaurant. I"ll defer to Todd for the details on that. As to a Governor's veto. I don't think he will. If he does, it goes back to the House and Senate during the veto session this fall. A 3/5 vote is required to override the Gov. The history of the bill would indicate that we have that easily. The original vote in the House was 72-45, the Senate amended the bill and voted 57-0 and the House concurred with the amended version 90-28. Anything can happen, but I doubt we'd lose that many votes. We'll know next week!!Tim
Sigma Posted August 21, 2009 at 04:20 AM Posted August 21, 2009 at 04:20 AM I wonder if we would need permission from a hotel manager. That would be considered dwelling wouldnt it?I guess this bill will be cool as it allows me to transport to more locations other than just the range, plus it allows me to have the gun in my car for more trips.
Tvandermyde Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:12 PM I suggest you look up the definition of dwelling in the criminal code. But yes a hotel room would be your dwelling, and that was one of the arguements we used. Just as the sleeper of a truck, or your friends house you were watching while they were out of town.
Xwing Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:54 PM What about permission at a restaurant? When you walk up to the door and the host opens it and says "welcome come on in" does that constitute permission or does it have to be by the property owner? Next question, if he vetoes it on the last day(which I think is gonna happen) then what? Where does it go from there and how much longer is the process of the next step? I wish. This isn't back-door conceal carry, as much as we'd like it to be. It simply fixes the original law to mesh with the original legislature's intent. Because of the Price decision, it is currently illegal to have a loaded firearm at a friend or relative's house in any situation. The guy who was convicted was simply sleeping over at his girlfriend's house. I like this change. A while ago, my mother-in-law was threatened by a criminal. She wanted me to stay over, armed, in order to protect her in case he came back. I had to inform her that I could not legally do so. Since she did not own a gun or even a FOID card, her only option was to call the police and hope they came in time.
Silver Guardian Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:56 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:56 PM that is what the otherside is saying that this becomes a defacto concealed carry bill. Why don't they ever tell the truth?
junglebob Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:57 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 12:57 PM The antigunners put out an email last week urging more calls tot he Governor since he hasn't vetoed the bill. We should re-double our efforts for the next week. The bill will take effect upon becoming law. In the simplest terms it allows you to have a firearm on the property or land of another with their permission. No overnight stay is required. So you go to your friends house to show him your new gun, you're good. Stay at a friends house fine too. Hotels, campers so forth. what else would you like to know?So the antis are calling the governor about HB182. Sounds like we should too and encourage our friends to as well.
Sigma Posted August 21, 2009 at 04:49 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 04:49 PM OkIm gonna send another email today asking for im to sign and respond with his intent. I'm sure he will reply. :lips sealed: Also I recommened we all call daily until the 26th Here is the link to Quinn's website where you can email directly. I uggest usig this rather than your personal email that will just end up in his spam folder. http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm Also he has 2 offices. We need to call the both. SpringfieldOffice of the Governor 207 State House Springfield, IL 62706 Phone: 217-782-0244 TTY: 888-261-3336 ChicagoOffice of the Governor James R. Thompson Center 100 W. Randolph, 16-100 Chicago, IL 60601 Phone: 312-814-2121 This bill is too close for us o let it slip away because the anti gunners have a last minute full court press while we relaxed.
lockman Posted August 21, 2009 at 08:07 PM Posted August 21, 2009 at 08:07 PM What about permission at a restaurant? When you walk up to the door and the host opens it and says "welcome come on in" does that constitute permission or does it have to be by the property owner? Next question, if he vetoes it on the last day(which I think is gonna happen) then what? Where does it go from there and how much longer is the process of the next step? If the owner knows you have a gun and will allow it I do not think that is a propblem or is it "defacto concealed carry". Concealed carry as far as the state should be concerned deals only with government owned lands, buildings and right of ways. HB182 is a step in that direction.
mack69 Posted August 22, 2009 at 01:40 AM Author Posted August 22, 2009 at 01:40 AM Thanks for the update all.... :lips sealed:
Ocellairs Posted August 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM Posted August 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM rob -- that is what the otherside is saying that this becomes a defacto concealed carry bill. I wouldn't push it that far. It does not matter when he vetos the bill. It is then taken up during the veto session. It starts in the house of orgin, in this case the House, must pass by a super majority, 71 votes. Then moves to the senate where it will be debated and will require 36 votes. I don't think either will be much of a problem. But I am optimistic that we won't have to go that route. If the orginal vote in the house was 72 votes from a poster, below your post and above mine here. A veto is possible, and an override could be in the works....at least in the house.
Tvandermyde Posted August 24, 2009 at 01:58 AM Posted August 24, 2009 at 01:58 AM If he vetos it, we should have the votes in both chambers to override it. I'm still working on it. But keep the calls going. If he vetos the bill, we will need to jump on house and senate members ASAP to nail down a rolll call. keep your fingers crossed.
Sigma Posted August 24, 2009 at 03:30 AM Posted August 24, 2009 at 03:30 AM I Sent another email. I will call today once again and post the results.Can everyone committ to calling today.
Xwing Posted August 24, 2009 at 02:33 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 02:33 PM I Sent another email. I will call today once again and post the results.Can everyone committ to calling today. Yes! We need to keep the pressure up. I just called again today, and I'll get my wife to call later. Please, everyone, call again. We can't let the anti's be the only ones putting on pressure...
sctman800 Posted August 24, 2009 at 03:31 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 03:31 PM Called Friday to both offices and this morning. The Springfield office is not answering today. Jim.
PPK Posted August 24, 2009 at 04:03 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 04:03 PM Just called both nubers. Hope it helps
GarandFan Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:26 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:26 PM Isn't 26 August (this Wed) the deadline if Quinn wants to veto the bill? I believe he had 60 days, and it went to his desk on 26 June. We shall soon see.
PPK Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:38 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:38 PM Isn't 26 August (this Wed) the deadline if Quinn wants to veto the bill? I believe he had 60 days, and it went to his desk on 26 June. We shall soon see.I still think it might be the 25th. July had 31 days.
Tvandermyde Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:41 PM Posted August 24, 2009 at 06:41 PM according to his office thursday is the drop date.
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