HB1468 due for Governor decision?

[wig]

Folks - it's happening live now... anyone catch the beginning?

 

http://abc7chicago.com/live/23381/

 

He did AV the bill - but I missed those details. Now it's added fluff being broadcast.

[Upholder]

According to the Gov, there are 6 pieces to the AV. They include 72 hour wait for all long guns and re-introducing the death penalty for mass murder or killing a police officer.

 

"Each of the 6 proposals greatly increase the safety of the people of Illinois" - Gov Rauner

[wig]

Until we all see the language, seems like he did us a solid by just saying "all guns" ... Someone please share the AV language when you find it. Thanks

[cybermgk]

Until we all see the language, seems like he did us a solid by just saying "all guns" ... Someone please share the AV language when you find it. Thanks

AND if it eventually gets passed, he can say, "see I supported common sense bs". AND, if the houses override the AV, he can say "I made an even better bill, and GA decided to neuter it".

[tricolor]

 

Until we all see the language, seems like he did us a solid by just saying "all guns" ... Someone please share the AV language when you find it. Thanks

AND if it eventually gets passed, he can say, "see I supported common sense bs". AND, if the houses override the AV, he can say "I made an even better bill, and GA decided to neuter it".

 

 

That makes some sense, after all it passed with a veto proof majority...

[Dr Duke]

Can someone tell me what happend?

The link to ABC 7 just says "No live broadcast streaming at this time. Please check back later."

[steveTA84]

http://wgntv.com/2018/05/14/gov-rauner-to-take-action-on-gun-bill-today/

[steveTA84]

http://i.imgur.com/wPINGqV.jpg

[tricolor]

Although I am no fan of 72 hours for all guns by any means, and I don't believe that a single mass shooting would be prevented by such a law as all of these events that I can think of were premeditated, I see the political upside to this. jb wouldn't have used the AV, he'd rubber stamp anything sent to him. So I might be a fool, but I am cautiously optimistic here.

[Molly B.]

We're waiting on the actual language. . . sounds like the 'assault' language has been stripped from the bill.

[Molly B.]

Tweet from a reporter on scene:

 

.@GovRauner proposes reinstating the death penalty, for "mass murderers and cop-killers." Also uses amendatory veto power to:
-require 72 hour waiting period for sale of ALL guns
-ban bump stocks, trigger cranks
-"firearm restraining order" for those adjudicated dangerous

[tricolor]

We're waiting on the actual language. . . sounds like the 'assault' language has been stripped from the bill.

 

I am dying to know whose language Rauner used for the bump stocks...

[steveTA84]

We still have to see the writing, but it appears hes adding more to it (which likens it to not pass the 2nd time around). As to the 72 hour wait thing, this MAY tick off some of the Fudds as they will be affected by it to, thus possibly causing them to not be for additional regulations on firearms (possibly turning some blue dog democrats away from JB)

 

We have to see exactly whats in it though, but if the definition of Assualt Weapon was removed, Ill consider it a solid bone thrown to us

[crufflesmuth]

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

[steveTA84]

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

Fudds are worse than anti’s. They need a wake up call. Hopefully this helps with that

[cybermgk]

Tweet from a reporter on scene:

 

.@GovRauner proposes reinstating the death penalty, for "mass murderers and cop-killers." Also uses amendatory veto power to:

-require 72 hour waiting period for sale of ALL guns

-ban bump stocks, trigger cranks

-"firearm restraining order" for those adjudicated dangerous

SO he loaded up one bill?

 

Did he use the fought after restraining order language? If so on the last, unless I am missing something that is politically smart.

[tricolor]

 

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

Fudds are worse than anti’s. They need a wake up call. Hopefully this helps with that

 

 

True. Gun owners need to stand together or we won't get far. The silver lining to this cloud?

[cybermgk]

We still have to see the writing, but it appears hes adding more to it (which likens it to not pass the 2nd time around). As to the 72 hour wait thing, this MAY tick off some of the Fudds as they will be affected by it to, thus possibly causing them to not be for additional regulations on firearms (possibly turning some blue dog democrats away from JB)

 

We have to see exactly whats in it though, but if the definition of Assualt Weapon was removed, Ill consider it a solid bone thrown to us

 

 

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

Yes, this could be a very smart political move

[tricolor]

 

Tweet from a reporter on scene:

 

.@GovRauner proposes reinstating the death penalty, for "mass murderers and cop-killers." Also uses amendatory veto power to:

-require 72 hour waiting period for sale of ALL guns

-ban bump stocks, trigger cranks

-"firearm restraining order" for those adjudicated dangerous

SO he loaded up one bill?

 

Did he use the fought after restraining order language? If so on the last, unless I am missing something that is politically smart.

 

 

I can see the political advantage. One bill, take all of the anti's gamesmanship away. Get a clean bill without preemption language and without that ridiculous affirmative defense garbage, and take away talking points from the antis and jb. At lease I hope without seeing the language...

[steveTA84]

 

 

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

 

Fudds are worse than anti’s. They need a wake up call. Hopefully this helps with that

True. Gun owners need to stand together or we won't get far. The silver lining to this cloud?

This is the only way we can win. Without it, we will “keep getting killed” by 1000 cuts

[crufflesmuth]

 

 

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

Fudds are worse than anti’s. They need a wake up call. Hopefully this helps with that

 

 

True. Gun owners need to stand together or we won't get far. The silver lining to this cloud?

 

 

The silver lining is that the anti's cannot in good faith oppose it. They're actually getting more out of this AV: 72 hrs for all long-guns. Any Gun Control proponent, even Don Harmon would look weak opposing this. In my mind, this really is the smartest political move I have seen Rauner make. The Anti's just got outmaneuvered on their own terms and ideology. They cannot credibly claim they are true to Gun Control by opposing this AV.

[steveTA84]

Another thing: not sure how the Chicago machine is going to like the death penalty for gang bangers that get caught killing a cop. Remember, it’s not their fault, they are victims of white privilege.....

[Lou]

The devil is in the details. I want to see the actual language.

 

My gut feeling is this will be a plus for us compared to what could have been.

[tricolor]

Also, it could be that the inclusion of all long guns will lead to the loss of votes from "blue dog" dems. This seems like a good move, if the antis reject this they show that they have been playing politics all along. I'd love to see the moms try and figure that one out! Heads might explode!

[cybermgk]

 

 

I don't care about the Fudd's. A bolt-action is just as dangerous as an AR-15, especially from an point of concealment via an urban high-rise. Since we refuse to argue on the rights of the individual, but what looks scary, its time they got the message nobody is safe from these control laws, uniformity of laws is better than patchwork. And then there is sticking it to the anti's.

Fudds are worse than anti’s. They need a wake up call. Hopefully this helps with that

 

 

True. Gun owners need to stand together or we won't get far. The silver lining to this cloud?

 

IMHO, more than that. Need to see what amendments he put on. But, let's assume the same changes Molly mentioned on for/in http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=69013&hl=

 

That bill was going to pass in some form, with the chance of one a LOT more onerous. Although Molly et all fought for those changes, there is no guarantee they make it through house and senate unscathed. Very likely they get modified (and not for our good). Assuming he took out the AW language, he also keeps Assault Weapon definitions from being codified in State Law. Additionally, it might wake the FUDDs up, and in reality, though annoying, it isn't that onerous to us, and doesn't restrict ownership of anything. Meanwhile, he puts the antis in the GA in a hard place politically. They either approve (again need to see his verbiage, but considering some cryptic msgs from Molly, Mauser and Todd, I feel confident) language our side much prefers on these separate bills he combined, or they have to face the 'music' of not supporting their own 'common sense gun control' BS mantra to Moms Demand everything, the uninformed that have been persuaded, etc. They even, potentially, really expose themselves as overt gun grabbers as well, if they override the AV. After all, what reason do they give to Amended Vetoes, that to most citizens look like even more stringent "gun control" than was both sent to him, and are still hanging around?

 

It also, imho, potentially makes any further legislation risky, politically, for the antis. After all, he just made waiting periods on all firearms "closing a loophole", put in ability to separate 'dangerous people" from their firearms, and got rid of the dreaded trigger crank bump stock. Anything more, can easily be spun as, and seen as actually gun grabbing.

 

Need to see the language, but this could be a very suave political move, while making the best of the realistic situation in the gosh forsaken state, for us 2A supporters.

[cybermgk]

 

 

Tweet from a reporter on scene:

 

.@GovRauner proposes reinstating the death penalty, for "mass murderers and cop-killers." Also uses amendatory veto power to:

-require 72 hour waiting period for sale of ALL guns

-ban bump stocks, trigger cranks

-"firearm restraining order" for those adjudicated dangerous

SO he loaded up one bill?

 

Did he use the fought after restraining order language? If so on the last, unless I am missing something that is politically smart.

 

 

I can see the political advantage. One bill, take all of the anti's gamesmanship away. Get a clean bill without preemption language and without that ridiculous affirmative defense garbage, and take away talking points from the antis and jb. At lease I hope without seeing the language...

 

Yep, with the info we have, that's my thinking as well.

[Eli Mcfly]

I'm getting my popcorn ready.. Wait.. Where's the butter!?

[crufflesmuth]

Also, it could be that the inclusion of all long guns will lead to the loss of votes from "blue dog" dems. This seems like a good move, if the antis reject this they show that they have been playing politics all along. I'd love to see the moms try and figure that one out! Heads might explode!

 

I disagree. As someone hailing from the NW Burbs, and in Cook County no less, the main issue here is property taxes and jobs.

[steveTA84]

I'm getting my popcorn ready.. Wait.. Where's the butter!?

In JB’s belly

[cybermgk]

More info being reported http://abc7chicago.com/politics/gov-rauner-calls-for-narrow-reinstatement-of-death-penalty-in-amendatory-veto-of-gun-bill/3472009/

 

 

Rauner also called for the General Assembly to pass the Gun Crime Charging and Sentencing Accountability and Transparency Act, which requires prosecutors and judges to explain the rationale for reduced charges in plea

 

 

 

Rauner also called for amending the County School Facilities Sales Tax statute to allow school authorities use revenue to hire school resource officers and mental health workers.

Bone to Cook Dems?

 

Need to see language, but, he has definitely taken the 'political' high ground from the Dems. And, we can tell this from this response

 

 

 

In response to the governor's proposal, St. Sabina Pastor Rev. Michael Pfleger released a statement saying, "Gov. Rauner just announced he wishes to reinstate the death penalty for anyone that kills a police officer. While I remain against the death penalty for anyone, this announcement enforces the racist mentality that some lives are more valuable than others. If he had wanted it for everyone, I would have disagreed with the principle, but when he puts police lives more valuable than the black and brown children dying everyday then perhaps Gov. Rauner should be charged with a hate crime!"

 

When liberals start throwing *ist epitaphs out, you know they are p*****, but can't argue the actual item.