marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 02:28 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 02:28 AM http://www.usacarry.com/where-finger-trigger/ The link above is pretty good writeup on where to place your finger on trigger. I always used the center of my pad of finger but now tried the crease between knuckle and my groups tightened up. I have also used the power stance and notice I am not rocking back with every shot. I have also used the crush grip and I didn't realize what a difference a firm hold on a handgun makes for accuracy and repeat shots. THE IMAGE ON RIGHT IS CORRECT. PLACE TRIGGER ON CREASE http://progunfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/trigger-pulls2.jpg
cnwfan3 Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:38 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:38 AM My groups tightened up when I switched from the crease to the pad of my finger. Seems to me like I have better control and pull the trigger straight back when I use the pad. I seem to pull to the right more when I use the crease.
marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:46 AM Author Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:46 AM CNWfan, the article says some shoot better with crease and others don't. I tried it both ways and I seem to shoot better using the crease. When I use the pad, my Glock 19 trigger seems vague. I think it is because the only mod I did was Zev plunger and minus connector which makes a light trigger but unbalanced.
solareclipse2 Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:48 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:48 AM I'm still trying to figure out which works better for me. It could also depend if I'm shooting left or right handed :/ Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
spec5 Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:49 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:49 AM OK I read it but shouldn't the article say which part of your finger do you put on the trigger not where on the trigger? I use the tip of the pad most times with my rifles with a light trigger pull but it depends on what I am shooting with a light trigger pull or a heavier trigger like on a double action revolver or pistol.
mullet man Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:52 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:52 AM That picture is very misleading as to how the angle of the pull actually works. Seriously, think about how each movement works in relation to the trigger....
cnwfan3 Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:54 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:54 AM Marathon, I used to shoot with the crease. I was all over the board. Once I switched to the pad, my groups tightened up a lot. Most things that I have read, they say that you should use the pad. But if you shoot better with the crease, I would say keep using it.
marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:58 AM Author Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:58 AM Bob Vogal gives a great video on how to grip the gun. Now I realize I am still not holding it high enough. Will try this next time. He brings up good points that your hands should "torque in" meaning both hands are applying pressure inward. I also wrapped my strong hand over my fingers but he is saying as high on trigger guard as possible
marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:13 AM Author Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:13 AM Bob Vogal gives a great video on how to grip the gun. Now I realize I am still not holding it high enough. Will try this next time. He brings up good points that your hands should "torque in" meaning both hands are applying pressure inward. I also wrapped my strong hand over my fingers but he is saying as high on trigger guard as possible Guys, this video is awesome! Today I switched to the power stance and also did the crush grip and shot much better. But I did not realize I was still holding gun wrong. The strong hand needs to be further up under trigger guard and not wrapped on fingers. also, apply pressure inwards to apply torque so the gun is very well controlled
IronSam Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:26 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:26 AM Depending on how the gun fits your hand and visa versa. Practice safe dry firing and watch the sight picture for any torquing and adjust accordingly. The trigger should move in a straight line into the web of your hand. Single action and double action may require less or more trigger reach in that order. Whatever keeps the sight picture undisturbed is the correct method. A pistol shooter's worst enemy is flinching and disrupting the sight picture in anticipation of recoil. The best cure is total concentration on the sight picture while squeezing the trigger as a secondary act. Don't concentrate on the impending recoil. The other enemy is Target Panic, or grabbing the shot when the sights move into the bullseye. Practice on a plain white piece of paper in order to see a clean sight picture and not be distracted by an aiming point, but an area of aim.
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:36 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:36 AM If I am super-precision shooting, I'll use the pad of my finger. If I'm shooting for speed, or under duress, as I would in combat-type shooting (also self-defense), I find that I revert to my crease shooting. For slow, aimed fire, I fall back on my long-distance shooting training, and for the heat of battle, I take a firmer grip. Think sniper versus firefight for the two.
tkroenlein Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:37 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:37 AM Center pad for SA Autos/revolver, deeper pad for striker fired poly and *light* DA, crease for heavy DA autos/revolver.
marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:43 AM Author Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:43 AM The video I posted of Bob Vogel, he says both hands should be torque torwards each other. This will make a solid base. On my strong hand, I was overlapping my fingers which I now see was wrong. Hands need to be as far up trigger guard as possible
IronSam Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:54 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 04:54 AM A link to the Army Marksmanship Training Unit pistol shooting manual. It's Gold. http://www.bullseyepistol.com/amucover.htm
AJR Posted December 31, 2014 at 05:56 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 05:56 AM http://www.usacarry.com/where-finger-trigger/ The link above is pretty good writeup on where to place your finger on trigger. I always used the center of my pad of finger but now tried the crease between knuckle and my groups tightened up. I have also used the power stance and notice I am not rocking back with every shot. I have also used the crush grip and I didn't realize what a difference a firm hold on a handgun makes for accuracy and repeat shots. THE IMAGE ON RIGHT IS CORRECT. PLACE TRIGGER ON CREASE http://progunfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/trigger-pulls2.jpg Whatever you decide to use, don't close that gap(space) on your trigger finger (against the gun), like the picture on the right. That will only cause inconsistencies and will drive you crazy. (The added friction would make it hard to reproduce good results consistently, with your follow up shots.) Edited, since "gap" for space, took this conversation elsewhere. SA
marathonrunner Posted December 31, 2014 at 08:06 AM Author Posted December 31, 2014 at 08:06 AM http://www.usacarry.com/where-finger-trigger/ The link above is pretty good writeup on where to place your finger on trigger. I always used the center of my pad of finger but now tried the crease between knuckle and my groups tightened up. I have also used the power stance and notice I am not rocking back with every shot. I have also used the crush grip and I didn't realize what a difference a firm hold on a handgun makes for accuracy and repeat shots. THE IMAGE ON RIGHT IS CORRECT. PLACE TRIGGER ON CREASE http://progunfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/trigger-pulls2.jpg Whatever you decide to use, don't close that gap on your trigger finger (against the gun), like the picture on the right. That will only cause inconsistencies and will drive you crazy. (The added friction would make it hard to reproduce good results consistently, with your follow up shots.) SA So I guess it sure ain't like the movies huh?....lol...
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 31, 2014 at 08:12 AM Posted December 31, 2014 at 08:12 AM http://www.usacarry.com/where-finger-trigger/ The link above is pretty good writeup on where to place your finger on trigger. I always used the center of my pad of finger but now tried the crease between knuckle and my groups tightened up. I have also used the power stance and notice I am not rocking back with every shot. I have also used the crush grip and I didn't realize what a difference a firm hold on a handgun makes for accuracy and repeat shots. THE IMAGE ON RIGHT IS CORRECT. PLACE TRIGGER ON CREASE http://progunfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/trigger-pulls2.jpg Whatever you decide to use, don't close that gap on your trigger finger (against the gun), like the picture on the right. That will only cause inconsistencies and will drive you crazy. (The added friction would make it hard to reproduce good results consistently, with your follow up shots.) SA So I guess it sure ain't like the movies huh?....lol... What finger positioning applies if I want to hold my gat in gangsta-tilt style? Do I have to throw up a "C" gang sign with my thumb and trigger finger to get the proper "flava" on the squeeze?
bobapunk Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:05 PM Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:05 PM http://www.usacarry.com/where-finger-trigger/ The link above is pretty good writeup on where to place your finger on trigger. I always used the center of my pad of finger but now tried the crease between knuckle and my groups tightened up. I have also used the power stance and notice I am not rocking back with every shot. I have also used the crush grip and I didn't realize what a difference a firm hold on a handgun makes for accuracy and repeat shots. THE IMAGE ON RIGHT IS CORRECT. PLACE TRIGGER ON CREASE http://progunfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/trigger-pulls2.jpg My groups tightened up when I switched from the crease to the pad of my finger. Seems to me like I have better control and pull the trigger straight back when I use the pad. I seem to pull to the right more when I use the crease. The first two posts nailed it. Everyone's hands are different, Size shape, mechanics. Different guns are also different in respect to size, shape, and mechanics. Because of those facts, the "perfect" trigger finger position is going to vary person to person and gun to gun. For many people, the 1st crease is ideal for striker fired and DAO handguns while the pad is better for single action. Shoot a few groups at close range (3-5 yards) and change your finger slightly between each. That will tell you which trigger finger position works best for your hand/gun combination. Don't forget, you may shoot different guns better with a different trigger finger position.
bobapunk Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:10 PM Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:10 PM Here is what the USAMU Handgun Manual has to say on the topic: http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt117/bobapunk/NRA%20Instructors/AMUGripampTrigger_zpsd1e7f554.png
bobapunk Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:13 PM Posted December 31, 2014 at 01:13 PM Depending on how the gun fits your hand and visa versa. Practice safe dry firing and watch the sight picture for any torquing and adjust accordingly. The trigger should move in a straight line into the web of your hand. Single action and double action may require less or more trigger reach in that order. Whatever keeps the sight picture undisturbed is the correct method. A pistol shooter's worst enemy is flinching and disrupting the sight picture in anticipation of recoil. The best cure is total concentration on the sight picture while squeezing the trigger as a secondary act. Don't concentrate on the impending recoil. The other enemy is Target Panic, or grabbing the shot when the sights move into the bullseye. Practice on a plain white piece of paper in order to see a clean sight picture and not be distracted by an aiming point, but an area of aim. ^ good stuff!
rustedbucket Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:06 PM Posted December 31, 2014 at 03:06 PM What finger positioning applies if I want to hold my gat in gangsta-tilt style? Do I have to throw up a "C" gang sign with my thumb and trigger finger to get the proper "flava" on the squeeze? This might be off topic, but here's a very direct guide to your question. How To Shoot Gangsta Style: http://youtu.be/3a5Qth5BPRk
ChicagoRonin70 Posted December 31, 2014 at 05:09 PM Posted December 31, 2014 at 05:09 PM What finger positioning applies if I want to hold my gat in gangsta-tilt style? Do I have to throw up a "C" gang sign with my thumb and trigger finger to get the proper "flava" on the squeeze?This might be off topic, but here's a very direct guide to your question. How To Shoot Gangsta Style: http://youtu.be/3a5Qth5BPRk Ah-hah! That's what I've been doing wrong! I forgot the self-testicle grab while firing! Thanks bunches! Ah'ma rule my hood naow!
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