Bud Posted January 1, 2013 at 06:21 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 06:21 PM I just sent this out to my entire email address book: He is using the lame duck session to ram this through. It provides for mandatory confiscation of all modern firearms in Illinois It is imperative that you call your State Senator and demand that he or she vote against this attack on our rights. If passed it will end up in a constitutional lawsuit that will cost Illinois millions of dollars and they will lose in the end because of Heller v. Washington and McDonald v. Chicago. Do not sit back and think that they will never get this done. They are using the lame duck session to pass this PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO YOUR ENTIRE (ILLINOIS) ADDRESS BOOK. PLEASE INCLUDE IT IN ANT SOCIAL MEDIA THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE TO SUCH AS FACEBOOK AND TWITTER BREAKING: Illinois Bill to Ban All Modern Firearms Posted on January 1, 2013 by Robert Farago Press release: “The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton [above] will introduce a so called ‘assault weapons’ ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its ‘lame duck’ session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police . . . “Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.” TTAG’s sources tell us there will be two bills: one for semi-automatic rifles, lever guns, shotguns and handguns with certain features (e.g., threaded barrels); and one for ammunition magazine capacity. Mags would be limited to 10 rounds and owners of existing magazines holding more than 10 rounds would have to register them with the state police. One [non-ISRA] gun guy on the front lines in the Land of Lincoln tells TTAG that the odds of the bills going through are 50 – 50. He advises gun owners both in and out of state to call Senate President Cullerton at 217 782 2000 and/or find another legislator to pester at ilga.gov. “If gun owners around the country melt the phone lines in the next three days we can push this thing back . . . that would be a tremendous morale boost ahead of federal legislation.”
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 1, 2013 at 06:47 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 06:47 PM I said it in the other thread and I will say it now are they smoking crack to think this bill would not be subject to an instant federal injunction in the post Heller world? Eff the Senate we need to work on the house too. Call your State Senators and reps and let them know they are gone if they vote for this.
vess1 Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:37 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:37 PM The votes on this bill should NEVER be forgotten. Be it 2,4,6 years from now, any vote for this bill should haunt the elected official the rest of their careers. There are many gun owners that don't even know this is going on yet. The only reason I found out was by this website. Very under handed. Already sent my e-mails off. Any vote for this bill should lose them every single gun owner's vote. It doesn't get any more extreme than this. They have lost their minds.
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:48 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:48 PM I agree Vess, any yes ora present vote for this bill should be held against the politician voting for the rest of their political careers.
Sub Hunter Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:55 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 07:55 PM I not only emailed my rep's but also called the new gun range in Crystal Lake that I am a memebr at "On Target". They said they are aware of it and handing out info to everyone that comes in so they can contact their reps as well.
snubjob Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:13 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:13 PM Could this actually be a way for them to see who is going to stick with them when the concealed carry hits them over the head? Or do you think the Chicago bunch is actually "going for broke" ? I'm thinking that they can't possibly get this passed. What a bunch of nuts! They're a bigger bunch of ********'s than even i gave them credit for!
Bud Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:21 PM Author Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:21 PM beginning tomorrow mporning (Wedneswday the 2nd) start calling your Rep and State Senator and then call some others and do not forget to call Cullerton at Senator 6th District 327 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-2728 and also his home office at District Office: 1726 W. Belmont Chicago, IL 60657 (773) 883-0770 Call every single Rep and Senator after you call your own and urgfe them to defeat this bill. When you're done calling? CALL THEM AGAIN
Dustin_S Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:24 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:24 PM I am so very tired of being treated like a criminal in this state, when I have done nothing to deserve it. I have worked in a county jail in down state Illinois for 2 years now. We have housed Cook Co. detainees on several occasions. I know for a fact that they do not care one bit about a gun ban, because they do not care about laws whatsoever. This will only affect us law abiding citizens. This will almost kill deer hunting. This will outlaw WWII reenacting, which is a good educational tool for our schools. This will put gun dealers out of business. This ban is unconstitutional. As it has been said many times over, if it passes, we will take the state to court and almost certainly win, but after we have already lost our firearms to confiscations. And so far, I have not read anything about compensation for the confiscations, which is illegal. If I could moved out of this God forsaken state, I would. I have been contacting my state rep and senator via phone, email, and facebook since this has been brought to light. Unfortunately, due to the holidays, nobody is in the office either locally or in Springfield. The Chicago Machine and Mr. Cullerton have made a very calculated move that they know they may actually have a chance of winning, and we have to fight back tooth and nail.
patriot1776 Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:27 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:27 PM This is just to shoot for the moon and scare the you know what out of everyone. He or they will then get everyone to smile and jump on a lesser version making gun owners and 2nd. amendment advocates think they won. It is a political tactic used in wage negotiations take everything away you have in a contract, then make you fight like heck to get a few things back or what you already had. They are so predictable, anyone who votes for this or any reduction in what can legally be owned needs to have all monetary help shut down forever by every entity they get money, meals and drinks from. Send this junk bill viral in every direction and every possible way.
Indigo Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:29 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:29 PM I said it in the other thread and I will say it now are they smoking crack to think this bill would not be subject to an instant federal injunction in the post Heller world? Eff the Senate we need to work on the house too. Call your State Senators and reps and let them know they are gone if they vote for this. Yes, they are out of their minds. They think the Constitution doesn't apply to them, and that Supreme Court rulings are "suggestions". IF they manage to pass this, not only will they face instant filings for injunctions, but the possibility of lawsuit filings for deprivation of civil rights under color of law, not to mention the violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments. Heller established the individual right, with language referring to weapons in common use (and what they are going for fits that description). McDonald establishes that the right applies to the states. And laws that are unconstitutional have no force. Besides, this is a government taking. Where are these Bozos going to find the money to pay all of us, even at a discount, for our arms? And the manpower costs involved in all this? Huge. So, I am not afraid of this effort, I am ANNOYED. And when I get annoyed, I try to remove the cause of that annoyance. So, I will call my elected Mandiganistas representatives and ANNOY the H**L out of them! (Politely, of course!)
IllinoisCCW Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:34 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:34 PM I'm pretty optimistic. Can anyone (Molly or Todd?) with any insight or ties to Illinois legislature provide an opinion on the chances of this really happening? I read somewhere that if guns become outlawed that I would become an outlaw. I stress over the thought of losing my only means of protecting my family. I couldn't imagine on just giving up my guns. I live in central Illinois and know my representative. . He is a strong pro gun guy and frequents a local gun shop. I'm hoping others sharing his attitude will stop this madness. Any words of encouragement?
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:39 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:39 PM Anuthing can happen in the Senate. I am more doubtful anuthing could pass the IL house. We have a lot of B or higher rated by the NRA reps in the IL house.
vess1 Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:42 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:42 PM Even if this doesn't have a prayer in heck of passing, it scares me that there's even a handful of elected officials that would vote for this. What a way to start out 2013. Under attack at the state and federal level. I agree, this is likely an extremist bill meant to be watered down and then they hope to pass the next version or tack it on to something. Which should also fail.
Indigo Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:43 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:43 PM Anuthing can happen in the Senate. I am more doubtful anuthing could pass the IL house. We have a lot of B or higher rated by the NRA reps in the IL house. Time to nip it in the bud! Nip it!
Matt B Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:43 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:43 PM TTAG blog had a source saying this bill had a 50/50 chance of passing. Do not dismiss this risk. We need those calls and emails. Tell any gun owners you know, especially those who may not be politically active.
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:52 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:52 PM Even if this doesn't have a prayer in heck of passing, it scares me that there's even a handful of elected officials that would vote for this. What a way to start out 2013. Under attack at the state and federal level. I agree, this is likely an extremist bill meant to be watered down and then they hope to pass the next version or tack it on to something. Which should also fail. Are you my long lost brother by another mother? I 100% agree. Its just a further reminder that to many Illinois politicians gun owners are bo better than gang bangers.
patriot1776 Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:58 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 08:58 PM I wonder if the hardware stores tomorrow morning will be as busy as the gun stores were in the last two months. Shovels, post hole diggers, large diameter plastic pipe with threaded ends and end caps will be in hot demand. I predict price gouging and short supplies.
TyGuy Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:00 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:00 PM Has Cullerton ran this by the ILSP yet? Suppose they devote 100% of their officers to confiscation, that's 1,561 officers to confiscate from about 1.4 million gun owners in Illinois. The Revolution was fought with a mere 3%, so even if just 1% of IL gun owners decide to not follow the law that is 14,000 people, or about 9 per officer. This seems a dangerous proposition for the state police. I am not calling for violence, but let's be honest, some will not peacefully throw away their 2nd Amendment rights. I think 1% of the total ownership is really rounding low in this case. You have to figure there's at least 1%, actually more, of outliers in any pool of people. I doubt the ILSP want this bill any more than we do.
Patriots & Tyrants Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:07 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:07 PM I wonder if the hardware stores tomorrow morning will be as busy as the gun stores were in the last two months. Shovels, post hole diggers, large diameter plastic pipe with threaded ends and end caps will be in hot demand. I predict price gouging and short supplies. I have heavy equipment at the family property in WI. In hind sight I should have dug a hole before the hard freeze though.
IllinoisCCW Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:10 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:10 PM Has Cullerton ran this by the ILSP yet? Suppose they devote 100% of their officers to confiscation, that's 1,561 officers to confiscate from about 1.4 million gun owners in Illinois. The Revolution was fought with a mere 3%, so even if just 1% of IL gun owners decide to not follow the law that is 14,000 people, or about 9 per officer. This seems a dangerous proposition for the state police. I am not calling for violence, but let's be honest, some will not peacefully throw away their 2nd Amendment rights. I think 1% of the total ownership is really rounding low in this case. You have to figure there's at least 1%, actually more, of outliers in any pool of people. I doubt the ILSP want this bill any more than we do. I agree with your logical. But wondering if your numbers are low? We aren't talking about an ordinance making illegal to put grass clippings in the trash. We are talking about the 2nd Amendment. I predict this will produce much more than a few thousand upset gun owners. This is much more serious than that.
oneshot Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:14 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:14 PM Contacted my whole address book and everyone I know on Facebook who lives in Illinois, whether they support gun ownership or not, arguing that this is a drastic overreach, even if you're not a gun fan. I called Sen. Frerichs (D) who is pro-2A, but I asked him to be vociferous in his opposition in caucus...I thought about calling Jakobsson, but there's no way in heck she'll budge on her position, especially after winning re-election again, this time with over 70% of the vote. Don't forget to mention the magazine ban! They're putting them up as separate bills! The plan is probably really just to get the magazine ban in, since the other one is so outrageous, all our effort will go into that one and the mag ban will be overlooked.
TyGuy Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:15 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:15 PM Yes, I agree, but I was showing that even low numbers makes this a dumb dumb dumb idea. The numbers for trooper strength and firearms owners I found online in news stories. The point is....does ANYONE besides Cullerton support this?
Dustin_S Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:29 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:29 PM The point is....does ANYONE besides Cullerton support this? Well, there's Quinn...
Elderberry Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:41 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:41 PM The part that really confounds me is that any politician would be so bold as to even suggest this, let alone actually put it in a bill. I truly do not understand how these constitutional terrorists can operate with impunity...
IllinoisCCW Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:46 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 09:46 PM Yes, I agree, but I was showing that even low numbers makes this a dumb dumb dumb idea. The numbers for trooper strength and firearms owners I found online in news stories. The point is....does ANYONE besides Cullerton support this? Yep. Good point.
quincy07 Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:01 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:01 PM If this passes I will be shipping my firearms to my family out of state. They can try to tell me to have them shipped back and turn them in but I will, in more "colorful" language, tell them to go fornicate with themselves.
Jim Smyth Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:02 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:02 PM The part that really confounds me is that any politician would be so bold as to even suggest this, let alone actually put it in a bill. I truly do not understand how these constitutional terrorists can operate with impunity... This always really chaps my hide too. They quickly forget they were elected into office to represent there constituents and not there self serving interests. They take advantage of there position and think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. IMHO the only way this gets stopped is to limit everyone of them to one term. There's too much buddy buddy crap going on and it needs to be stopped.
jkrzos Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:03 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:03 PM Howdy, I wonder if the Chicago Machine is making us draw the line in the sand! I wondering how far this will go with SCOTUS rulings, SCOA rulings, and the amount of gun owners in the state, are they just plain stupid? Are they forcing us to make the stand similar to Lexington? The Tree of Liberty........... jkrzos
Jim Smyth Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:04 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:04 PM If this passes I will be shipping my firearms to my family out of state. They can try to tell me to have them shipped back and turn them in but I will, in more "colorful" language, tell them to go fornicate with themselves. I will up ya one and put my house on the market ASAP.
Sigma Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM Posted January 1, 2013 at 10:07 PM Wonder how them downstate progun democrats feel now
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