SmershAgent Posted June 26, 2009 at 05:39 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 05:39 PM Just a warning: the claims made in this document are amongst the most profoundly stupid, ridiculous, and irrational I have read in quite some time. For Immediate Release Contact: Thom Mannard (312) 341-0939Scott Vogel (312) 243-8980, scott@freedomstatesalliance.org On One-Year Anniversary of Supreme Court Heller Ruling that Stripped D.C. Of Its Handgun Ban, Pro-Gun Groups Want To Flood Chicago With Even More Deadly Weapons and Push for Carrying Hidden and Loaded Guns In Public (June 26, 2009, Chicago) – The Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence sharply criticized the Illinois State Rifle Association (ISRA) and Illinois Carry for holding a public rally today calling for ending Chicago’s 27-year-old handgun ban only days after the tragic shooting of 9-year-old Chastity Turner who was gunned down while bathing her dog in front of her own home. Thirty-six Chicago Public School students were also killed during the ’09 school year in a continuing rash of gun violence. Most troubling is the language, tone and materials that pro-gun groups are using to promote their rally in downtown Chicago. Ralph Connor, an African-American conservative who will speak at the rally, continues to preach a divisive message that “gun control is racist” and is eagerly promoting a film that features him, called "No Guns for Negroes.” The ISRA finds itself in a hypocritical and difficult position playing the race card as an argument to removing the city’s life-saving measure and pushing for a carrying concealed weapons bill. Earlier this month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit upheld the constitutionality of the Chicago and Oak Park handgun bans by a 3-0 decision. U.S. Circuit Judge Frank Easterbrook, joined by Circuit Court Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, said they were bound to follow the precedent of the U.S. Supreme Court in its ruling on the Second Amendment not applying to states. All three federal judges were GOP appointees. Yet in response, Hal Turner, an avid racist and internet radio host from New Jersey was arrested for threatening to kill the three federal judges who upheld Chicago’s handgun ban. Turner said, “"Let me be the first to say this plainly; These judges deserve to be killed." “The truth is that the gun lobby could care less about the impact that gun violence has on Chicago, much less the devastating effects on the African-American and Latino communities,” said Thom Mannard, Executive Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. “All the gun lobby cares about is their blind and extremist ideology that wants to force deadly and loaded guns into our communities, schools, parks, shopping centers, hospitals, and daycare centers. If the gun lobby really cared about stopping gun violence in our communities they would stop promoting an agenda that makes it all too easy for gangbangers to acquire guns that are used to kill innocent children like Chastity Turner.” In addition, gun homicides plague the African-American community. According to the Violence Policy Center the annual study, “Black Homicide Victimization in the United States” found that there were 7,425 black homicide victims in the United States. The homicide rate for black victims in the United States was 20.27 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall national homicide rate was 5.38 per 100,000 and the national homicide rate for whites was 3.14 per 100,000. “The truth is that the gun lobby are enablers of violence by stifling and stopping life-saving reforms to enact stronger gun laws,” said Scott Vogel, Communications Director for the Freedom States Alliance. “Gun extremists preach their limited, narrow and selfish view of ‘their rights’ without any regard to ‘our rights’ as members of a broad community that want to live peacefully and free from the fear of gun violence.” Parents, victims and survivors of gun violence are focusing on solutions to save lives, instead of debating divisive racial politics with extremists who show no empathy for those killed by gun violence, "As a parent who has suffered the devastating effects of gun violence in my family, I urge our lawmakers to gain the political will and moral capacity to support common sense gun regulations,” said Ron Holt, the founder and President of PurposeOverPain.org, and whose son Blair was shot and killed on a CTA bus by an armed teen. “If our lawmakers could hear, see, and feel the pain that we as parents who have lost a child to gun violence, then maybe they would understand that we need thoughtful solutions to our gun violence crisis.”
spec4 Posted June 26, 2009 at 05:52 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 05:52 PM Garbage, but it shows our fight will never end.
Ol'Coach Posted June 26, 2009 at 06:06 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 06:06 PM Garbage, but it shows our fight will never end. Reckon we got their attention, huh? Isn't that the first time IllinoisCarry has been mentioned by a gun control group? I can't remember any prior to this! So, we're beginning to make waves!!...how long 'til the big tsunami?????
SirMatthew Posted June 26, 2009 at 07:13 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 07:13 PM They really know how to spew it, don't they? The anti-gun extremists seem so far out of touch with reality they seem more scary than the gun lobby. You know, since ISRA and IC are both mentioned by name some people are going to associate members of those groups with these false and negative accusations. Accusations which are neither documented or able to be proven, words which intentionally aim to damage the reputation of another. Isn't that slander when spoken and libel when printed, both of which occurred here? I'd love to see Thom and Scott be sued for it.
glide Posted June 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 10:31 PM Why do they keep mentioned all the children killed as chicago public school kids.It makes it sound like they were killed at school or at a school function. Well I know why they say that it's for a more sensational conotation rather than saying X number of chicago youths.
Silver Guardian Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:05 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:05 PM Why do they keep mentioned all the children killed as chicago public school kids. Because it sounds better than "Gang banger killed today"
dan Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:06 PM Garbage, but it shows our fight will never end. Reckon we got their attention, huh? Isn't that the first time IllinoisCarry has been mentioned by a gun control group? I can't remember any prior to this! So, we're beginning to make waves!!...how long 'til the big tsunami????? Coach, you are most correct on this for sure. We got their attention good this time and you can see how they are reacting. This seems to be the right approach for us to succeed or they would not be making so many things up. We need to keep up and increase the pressure while they are reeling.
Yas Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:44 PM Posted June 26, 2009 at 11:44 PM Perhaps ICPHV would like to engage in an open public debate forum?
pyre400 Posted June 27, 2009 at 01:35 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 01:35 AM Perhaps ICPHV would like to engage in an open public debate forum? This article just goes to show how ineffective the handgun ban is... The author inadvertently exposes the failure but still causes it "life saving". I agree - I'd travel out to Wheaton to participate in such a forum - I'd rather call it a debate though.
Tvandermyde Posted June 27, 2009 at 01:41 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 01:41 AM ok guys they want to blame us for all the killing in Chicago. attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report? ToddGuns_CaseStudies.pdf
drdoom Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:05 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:05 AM Well today I noticed one thing that I did not last year, and that is the state trooper and city police were close by. Next year we can expect that recipe to be doubled for sure! But seriously guys, I did not like the booing of poor 'ol Snuffy today. How can we expect victory if we act like that at the next rally?
billzfx4 Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:32 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:32 AM ok guys they want to blame us for all the killing in Chicago. attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report? Todd Other than the fact that 5 out of the 6 got probation or conditional discharge?!?! :Angry!:
Federal Farmer Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:54 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:54 AM ok guys they want to blame us for all the killing in Chicago. attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report? Todd Wow, a smoking gun. I get it. What is a "Glock Pistol, 10mm Caliber"? What is a "Mossberg Shotgun 20 Gauge Caliber"? So is ".20 Gauge 1/100th the size of 20 Gauge"? What is "proofreading?" I like that they specifically enumerated "Fully Automatic Assault Weapon" but really 311? That is quite a haul.
Bitter Posted June 27, 2009 at 03:01 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 03:01 AM ok guys they want to blame us for all the killing in Chicago. attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report? Todd Well, for one the Chicago gun ban did nothing to stop any of this. All of those offenders were crooks of some sort and obvioulsy knew what they were doing was illegal, but didn't care. I don't see how additional restricions would stop them.
Black Flag Posted June 27, 2009 at 03:06 AM Posted June 27, 2009 at 03:06 AM attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report?Other than the fact that 5 out of the 6 got probation or conditional discharge?!?! :Angry!:That's the catch and release justice system in Cook Co, right? Each of these perps had a laundry list of guns that they alledgedly "trafficed" , too. Why didn't they prosecute on the first gun?What, do they have a threshold?
Ol'Coach Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:22 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:22 PM ok guys they want to blame us for all the killing in Chicago. attached is a report from the CAGE unit that they are trying to use against us. Can anyone spot the problem with the cases cited in the report? Todd Wow, a smoking gun. I get it. What is a "Glock Pistol, 10mm Caliber"? What is a "Mossberg Shotgun 20 Gauge Caliber"? So is ".20 Gauge 1/100th the size of 20 Gauge"? What is "proofreading?" I like that they specifically enumerated "Fully Automatic Assault Weapon" but really 311? That is quite a haul. Yes, they kinda sneak that in, intimating they were purchased by straw purchasers from licensed FFL deaalers in Illinois. I suppose for people that don't know the law, that might work!!
Tvandermyde Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:34 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:34 PM Bill you win the hearty handshake, pat on the back and warm glow of victory !!!!! I knew the smartest guys were real gun guys. So if we are the problem, yet when people committ gun running --- 3 illegal transfers of firearms, let me see no FOID card, wanna bet no waiting period. A class 1 felony good for at least 10 years, they get probation. And you and me buying guns are the problem. Go figure. Neat little report I plan to turn into an enema about the size of a basketball once the new little task force is passed and up and running. I just might have to file a FOIA request in the mean time to see what info we can gleam from these cases. I hope CAGE and CPD continue to put this garbage out. We will enjoy seeing them defeated and choked on their own words.
highspeed Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:36 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 02:36 PM In each case the weapons were obtained illegally. So how many more laws does it take for these morons to figure it out? :Angry!:
moparcardave Posted June 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 06:31 PM When you look at the sentences of probation and conditional discharge, what really is the penalty? Most had multiple convictions! I think we ll know the reasons for this. Our judicial systems is trying to not target certain races. We hear from Eric Holder that a vast majority of the people that are convicted of a crime at black and thats because of our racist jurys. Until the time fits the crime we will contiinue to have these catch and release programs. Most conditional discharge programs require that you stay out of trouble for 2 years then this can come of the record. Imagine now a legal law abiding citizen defends himself. Imagine now this individual like to target shoot, has several thousand rounds, and modern designed sporting rifles (assualt weapon) in his home. You will see harder time for this guy then you will ever see with these liberal Chicago style judges. Obama himself helped put laws in effect which gives the gangbangers 2-3 chances. Why? Well they had a bad childhood, they didn't have the oppurtunities afforded middle class. The fault is the judical system not doing their job and enforcing law. Black, white, yellow, pink polka dot. I don't care what color, what SES a person is. Enforce the law period, the 2nd ammendment is there for a reason. Why was it so important to our founding fathers that this be put in right after free speeh?
pyre400 Posted June 27, 2009 at 07:09 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 07:09 PM Well today I noticed one thing that I did not last year, and that is the state trooper and city police were close by. Next year we can expect that recipe to be doubled for sure! But seriously guys, I did not like the booing of poor 'ol Snuffy today. How can we expect victory if we act like that at the next rally? I'll be happy to cheer for him, if you hang him upside down from a flagpole.
Buzzard Posted June 27, 2009 at 09:56 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 09:56 PM Well today I noticed one thing that I did not last year, and that is the state trooper and city police were close by. Next year we can expect that recipe to be doubled for sure! But seriously guys, I did not like the booing of poor 'ol Snuffy today. How can we expect victory if we act like that at the next rally?We had just about the same law enforcement there as we did last year. There were ISP troopers watching the Thompson Center doors and property and CPD assigned to the sidewalks - same as last year. The only real difference was we had a few bicycle CPD officers last year and this year we had a 4wheeler officer. The reason for the two agencies is the Thompson Center is on state property whereas the sidewalk belongs to the city. As I understand, if someone were to be arrested CPD would make the arrest. I do know one thing - a UPS driver was certainly pushing the issue by getting in the face of the one ISP trooper. This guy didn't have one good thing to say about cops, government, or any other authority. And he was very vocal about it. As far as the booing went, I really saw no harm in it. You certainly would hear the same vocal responses at one of Snuffy's protests. And as I recall, Mayor Daley also got booed at least once. It's nothing you wouldn't hear at any sporting event. It's just an harmless venting of emotion.
eric2281 Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM Well today I noticed one thing that I did not last year, and that is the state trooper and city police were close by. Next year we can expect that recipe to be doubled for sure! But seriously guys, I did not like the booing of poor 'ol Snuffy today. How can we expect victory if we act like that at the next rally?We had just about the same law enforcement there as we did last year. There were ISP troopers watching the Thompson Center doors and property and CPD assigned to the sidewalks - same as last year. The only real difference was we had a few bicycle CPD officers last year and this year we had a 4wheeler officer. The reason for the two agencies is the Thompson Center is on state property whereas the sidewalk belongs to the city. As I understand, if someone were to be arrested CPD would make the arrest. I do know one thing - a UPS driver was certainly pushing the issue by getting in the face of the one ISP trooper. This guy didn't have one good thing to say about cops, government, or any other authority. And he was very vocal about it. As far as the booing went, I really saw no harm in it. You certainly would hear the same vocal responses at one of Snuffy's protests. And as I recall, Mayor Daley also got booed at least once. It's nothing you wouldn't hear at any sporting event. It's just an harmless venting of emotion. LOL The ups driver started with me & he stormed off in disgust cussin' about this & that. Shortly after that, he had the run-in with the law. The State Trooper asked for a Illinoiscarry button later in the day. :Drunk emoticon:
Chiburbian Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM The ups driver started with me & he stormed off in disgust cussin' about this & that. Shortly after that, he had the run-in with the law. The State Trooper asked for a Illinoiscarry button later in the day. :Drunk emoticon: Just a note: I encouraged the UPS driver to visit this site. I was talking to him before he started talking to the State Cop. He was on our side in regards to need for a way for citizens to carry, he was just a rather inflamed young man. His only real complaint was us doing this rally in downtown and never hearing from us in the hood. He said he would help bring us and our message into the hood where the message will resonate better than we might realize. I believe he was the son of a Black Panther. He might have been excited and maybe not so fond of police (hey, we have quite a few of those here already) but he is definitely on our side. Just be careful not to judge too harshly because his manner is different than ours.
eric2281 Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:06 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:06 PM The ups driver started with me & he stormed off in disgust cussin' about this & that. Shortly after that, he had the run-in with the law. The State Trooper asked for a Illinoiscarry button later in the day. :Drunk emoticon: Just a note: I encouraged the UPS driver to visit this site. I was talking to him before he started talking to the State Cop. He was on our side in regards to need for a way for citizens to carry, he was just a rather inflamed young man. His only real complaint was us doing this rally in downtown and never hearing from us in the hood. He said he would help bring us and our message into the hood where the message will resonate better than we might realize. I believe he was the son of a Black Panther. He might have been excited and maybe not so fond of police (hey, we have quite a few of those here already) but he is definitely on our side. Just be careful not to judge too harshly because his manner is different than ours. I didnt judge him. We were talking together fine the 1st time (his uncle was/is a Black Panther, not Dad. I think he said both his uncles). When he came back the 2nd time, he was really upset about some things (Mainly due to something Ralph Connor said and/or because Connor isnt from his neighborhood.) I don't think he was upset w/me on a personal level, he was just venting ....
Chiburbian Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:44 PM Posted June 27, 2009 at 11:44 PM I didnt judge him. We were talking together fine the 1st time (his uncle was/is a Black Panther, not Dad. I think he said both his uncles). When he came back the 2nd time, he was really upset about some things (Mainly due to something Ralph Connor said and/or because Connor isnt from his neighborhood.) I don't think he was upset w/me on a personal level, he was just venting .... Forgive me for being unclear - I didn't intend to infer that you were judging him, just that people who only saw his manner and didn't hear the content of his arguments might think he was on the other side and say something in ignorance (rather than malice). Also, I didn't remember the specifics other than his mention of the Black Panthers. Just wanted to clarify. I hope he registers here and we can bring some new bodies and perspectives into the fight.
Kenny Posted June 28, 2009 at 01:37 AM Posted June 28, 2009 at 01:37 AM I didnt judge him. We were talking together fine the 1st time (his uncle was/is a Black Panther, not Dad. I think he said both his uncles). When he came back the 2nd time, he was really upset about some things (Mainly due to something Ralph Connor said and/or because Connor isnt from his neighborhood.) I don't think he was upset w/me on a personal level, he was just venting .... Forgive me for being unclear - I didn't intend to infer that you were judging him, just that people who only saw his manner and didn't hear the content of his arguments might think he was on the other side and say something in ignorance (rather than malice). Also, I didn't remember the specifics other than his mention of the Black Panthers. Just wanted to clarify. I hope he registers here and we can bring some new bodies and perspectives into the fight. I saw him too & that is one member we don't need he is a loose cannon & would hurt us more than help us!! my $.02
Silver Guardian Posted June 28, 2009 at 01:49 AM Posted June 28, 2009 at 01:49 AM I was talking to him before he started talking to the State Cop. He was on our side in regards to need for a way for citizens to carry, he was just a rather inflamed young man. His only real complaint was us doing this rally in downtown and never hearing from us in the hood. He said he would help bring us and our message into the hood where the message will resonate better than we might realize. I got nothing but "heck yeah!" walking back to the train station downtown and handed out a few more fliers for here. Perhaps we should consider a couple neighborhoods to go door to door in Chicago and hand out flyers. Who is with me?
pyre400 Posted June 28, 2009 at 02:07 AM Posted June 28, 2009 at 02:07 AM Here's a recent vid from youtube: SAFR Maybe tide us over till then...
2nd amendment forever Posted June 28, 2009 at 03:03 AM Posted June 28, 2009 at 03:03 AM Here's a recent vid from youtube: SAFR Maybe tide us over till then... :Drunk emoticon:
mikew Posted June 28, 2009 at 03:48 AM Posted June 28, 2009 at 03:48 AM I do know one thing - a UPS driver was certainly pushing the issue by getting in the face of the one ISP trooper. This guy didn't have one good thing to say about cops, government, or any other authority. And he was very vocal about it. I understand that guy was all over the board.I saw him harangue Ron Holt for about 8 minutes or so before I got a chance to get a few words in edgewise to talk with Ron.
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