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Nor will I.

You would need to look further than just the events of May 31, to understand it all. IllinoisCarry started fighting various versions of FOID Modernization with a 3/21/2021 alert on HB745 and a 4/11/2021 alert on SB1165. These weren't quite to the point of eliminating private transfers, verging on registration. Not yet. But they had been in negotiations for many months and were bad from the start. "These weren't quite to the point of eliminating private transfers, verging on registration." That's not hyperbole.

Referring to it as optics, though, implies an unintended consequence of something done in error.Slipping in as neutral sent a very intentional signal.The signal that I see is tacit approval.

This. ^^^^^

So, they are going to outlaw knives....rocks....2X4s....fists....feet....rouge automobiles....etc? Meaningful means effective, right?

There was also something buried in there about charging the FOID applicant for the cost of a background check. No dollar figure and I did not see any guarantee of meeting the legislated timeline. I think you might be referring to page 42, lines 18-22. These seem to refer to paying for checking the optional fingerprints (lines 5-17) against ISP and FBI criminal history databases. However...the proposed review board mentioned by Molly in post # 130 would be able to vote to require an applicant to provide electronic fingerprints (page 58, line 23 and on). Obviously, the applicant seeking review would be required to pay for the electronic fingerprints. And surely the cost of having them checked against databases as well.

Hoffman is from Madison County, which voted over 2 to 1 to become a 2A sanctuary county. I don't think the folks in his district will smile on the idea of paying more to exercise their gun rights. As an edit: I will confess I don't know what percentage of his district is in Madison County. I will say the gun culture down here is strong, and that's not restricted to Madison County alone.

Go figure.

"Imposes a 1% surcharge on firearm ammunition, which shall be deposited into the Trauma Response Fund. Effective immediately." What would keep these funds from being "swept" if so decreed by the powers that be? How about they put a surcharge on Marijuana sales instead?

Trust me, I'm not "pro-McCloskey" per se. I'm "pro-right to self-defense". "If" the gate they entered through was locked, it's forcible entry. If they set foot on the McCloskey's property in a threatening manner, the castle doctrine certainly applies. Back to the gate: it would seem reasonable that a neighborhood like that would have video surveillance. If there's video of the gate in question, this could get interesting....one way or the other.

Letter from neighbors condemning McCloskeyshttps://twitter.com/andybankertv/status/1278776726013775872?s=21Video of the protestors walking through the undamaged gatehttps://twitter.com/alexiszotos/status/1277607426934616065?s=21 Supreme Court case determining you are allowed 1st amendment rights on some private property, for instance sidewalks in a private town/neighborhood that is not restricted. If the gate wasnt locked (dont know) an argument could be made for 1st amendment rights since its a sidewalk owned by the neighborhood association, not an individuals residence or yard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama Im not determining innocence or guilt. Just pointing out its a lot more complicated than if a mob breaks down your residences door. Im also not saying that protestors can trespass into gated residences, but a residence has different legal protection than a private common area. Again, the McCloskeys have a lawsuit disputing whether the gate and sidewalk is a common area or their private property. It wasnt deeded, but they claim by personally maintaining they have squatters rights to take common area/access from the neighborhood association and block neighbors easy access to their homes. Talk about neighbors from heck. Thanks. I would point out that the letter was put out after the fact. The protesters didn't have an invitation during the occurence.

Its not quite that simple.https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/tony-messenger/messenger-this-wasn-t-the-first-time-the-mccloskeys-pulled-a-gun-to-protect-property/article_fc2a31b1-5f7b-55d5-83e3-8b3ca1211c7c.html Obviously the pro gun vs BLM sides each have an agenda, but you also cant discount the neighbors agenda. The neighbors have a lawsuit disputing the property and the gate as common ground, the McCloskeys claim its their property. The neighbors claim the protestors are welcome to protest on the common grounds. Whether the gate was or wasnt broken by protestors it wasnt initially broken to enter the neighborhood. So of course the neighbors collectively want this to play out that the welcomed BLM protestors were threatened on the private neighborhoods common ground, not the McCloskeys private property. There is a distinct legal difference. All the people in the neighborhood have money, power, and are politically connected, including the mayor that the protestors had originally shown up to protest. Its not just a singular prosecutor on an SJW mission (although that plays well for her resume). Thanks for the link. I didn't see anything about the neighbors welcoming the protesters. I'm sorry if I missed it. Different article maybe? If you haven't, scroll through the comments. Doing so has helped me remember why I gave up commenting on the Post's current events forum years ago.

Funny thing. Gardner fails to say why MO's castle doctrine fails to apply in this case. When the racial injustice protesters trespassed on private property. And reportedly threatened the McCloskeys. Go figure.

Confusing and or a little murky. Good advice about the FOID. My wife doesn't shoot (yet). But she has a FOID, just so she could legally "posess" firearms should something happen to me.

"...nameless keyboard warriors of Illinois Carry..."

It wont turn us into the Wild West, it will just make Illinois like any other state in the union that does not require the card. Like with concealed carry, the Illinois politicians are so arrogant that they think they are wiser than the politicians in every other state.Didnt hear much after the shootouts and blood running in streets events did not happen after passing CCL. They like to point to the handful of states remotely similar instead of the other 40+ that arent set up like IL yet do not have their issues. Its sad that most of these legislators know nothing about firearms and arent interested in educating themselves before introducing a bill that does nothing but feels good. I think for at least some of them it goes beyond feeling good (though I don't discount that). I'd be curious how many of the "true believers" would lose a little fervency if there was zero chance of tangible gain.

The next step (if it played out that way) would be to litigate the fact that if defendant Brown can't be legally required to have a FOID card, then neither can anybody else.

We would be too but remember, McDonald vs Chicago had to remove the ban in in the home before we could get rid of the ban outside the home. Common sense (I know...I know...) dictates that one would have to be able to transport the firearm and ammunition TO the home. If it's legal IN the home without a license, it has to be legal getting it TO the home without a license.

What could he do? You mean while he supports Chicago's sanctuary status for illegal immigrants? Good question.

All precincts reporting. The measure passes with 67% voting "Yes".

91% of precincts reporting in Madison County. The 2A Sanctuary County measure is winning by just over 31,000 votes. That just over a 2 to 1 margin.

Madison County has been trending right. Donald Trump won the county by almost 20,000 votes in 2016. https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/illinois/ In addition, 15 of 29 county board members are Republicans.