Lake County IL Sheiff and States Attorney Information Session

[imfbarn]

I am not sure of the scope of the discussion but I thought those in northern Lake county would like to know:

 

[freedoms@1791]

I am not sure of the scope of the discussion but I thought those in northern Lake county would like to know:

 

Thanks

[Pete S]

Where was this notice you show posted?

Is this meeting open to the public?

[asfried1]

Should be a reasonable presentation.

[Tango7]

I'm off that day, so it's on my calendar. TYVM.

[2AFOREVER]

imfbarn thanks for the post. Its a good one for your first. Welcome to the forum even though it looks like you've been here awhile.

[mikemsu1]

I'm up that way, will try and make it as well and report back.

[BillyP]

Also in the area. Will try to swing by.

 

On a side note, I notice that Rep, Sam Yingling will be hosting a coffee shop stop this Saturday. For anyone interested https://www.facebook.com/SamYinglingforStateRep/photos/a.259438364079194.60622.243742852315412/704333646256328/?type=1&theater

[Warped]

I will be there its almost walking distance.

 

Thanks for posting.

[sangiovese]

I will also go. Should be interesting.

[imfbarn]

Where was this notice you show posted?

Is this meeting open to the public?

The Information is on both the Sheriff's and State's Attny Facebook Pages:

 

https://www.facebook.com/lakecountyilsao

https://www.facebook.com/LakeCoILSheriff

[Tango7]

At least they show a pistol properly secured in a holster - unlike the typical news presentation displaying llevar Mexicano

[Warped]

Bump its tomorrow night

[stitch58]

I plan on being there also.

[domin8]

There's about a 60% chance I'll be there.

[AuroraInstructor]

Couldn't they have been more sensitive with that poster???? Picturing a gun on there is insensitive and SCARY!

[sangiovese]

I'll be there also.

[domin8]

I was just at Walmart in Lake Zurich, and again was denied an ammo purchase because I'm not a resident. One of the employees told me concealed carry want adopted in Lake County, and stated she knew the facts because her "father is into this legal stuff and told her so". I then informed her her father is incorrect and she is more than welcome to attend this meeting. I also gave her the statute number that said her info was incorrect, and to look it up. Concealed Carry is preempted statewide, and went into effect when the House and Senate overrid Quinn's veto on 9 July, 2013. I hope she shows up.

 

Looks like I better show up now.

[Warped]

Should we have a secret hand wave or something to identify each other

[domin8]

How about a good solid handshake since we know the effects of limp wristing

[Pete S]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ky82lzKzAX1qaenv0.jpg

[domin8]

I saw Hapless there, but was anybody else there? So many people showed up they turned people away and scheduled a second meeting. It will be held the 21st at 7pm at the same place. I was one of those initially turned away. After a few minutes I went back in and they started finding days for those that were willing to stand in the hallway. I ended up being seated at the very front on the room behind the speakers.

 

I took some notes and thought I'd share them. First off, observation of the audience. My impression was they were either for concealed carry or were neutral and simply wanted the facts. It was a very friendly audience.

 

The Lake County Sheriff, Chief, whatever you want to call him was the first to speak. He flat out said he's pro 2A and didn't follow that with any exceptions.

 

The States Attorney then got up and presented a brief PowerPoint. He went over the FOID Card Act, presenting only facts. That was followed by facts from the FCCA.

 

After the SA's presentation was a Q & A with the audience. I didn't notice any questions that seemed to come from an anti. Most of the questions were directed to the police in terms of how they are going to conduct things, what sends off warning signs to police, etc.

 

The police officer answering questions was asked about the glove box being considered "a case" for storing a firearm. They said they glove box by definition is a case.

 

Firearm doesn't have to be concealed whole the FCCL holder is in the vehicle.

 

Common sense here: If you get pulled over don't start turning around and messing with things in your vehicle. It's going to send a warning sign to the officer.

 

They acknowledged Highland Park's 10 round magazine capacity.

 

The SA was unsure about the legality of switching from concealed carry to transport (aka FOID carry) on public transit. He indicated that if CTA or Metra posted a sign stating no guns that it would include transport too, but want sure on that. When he said this it seemed he was trying to differentiate between the FCCA GFZ sticker that applies to concealed carry and a generally posted sign for all firearms.

 

There was a question pertaining to general aviation, and how it might differentiate from a major airport like Midway or O'Hare. The SA, again wasn't sure.

 

Mostly concealed doesn't cover printing. The application to mostly concealed pertains to an incident where somebody might bend over to pick something up and their shirt or jacket lifts up revealing their firearm.

 

The carrying of loaded magazines will be subject to the FOID Card Act. The SA didn't have an answer to the carrying of spare loaded magazines in GFZs. He seemed to indicate GFZs only applied to handguns.

 

Deployable = pick up & go. This will be how the Lake County Sheriff will differentiate between how a firearm is covered under the FCCA and the FOID Card Act.

 

As for nonresidents, 430 ILCS 66/40 is being interpreted as if somebody is passing through, not occupying a home in, Lake County. This is a bit disconcerting for the ~2,000 active duty military personnel, and their families, in Lake County. They're is nothing in this section that pertains to passing through Illinois. It clearly states while in Illinois.

 

It's likely there are things I forgot, failed to write down, or misinterpreted. If there is anybody else that was there that would come in it would be nice to hear what you have to say about last night.

[NakPPI]

What do you mean by "acknowledged" the highland park 10 round limit?

[Dr. Rat]

I think it's great that the Sheriff and SA set this up. I was sitting around people who hadn't applied yet and I think most of the info was new to them. The main things I took away from it was the feeling that I'm more likely to take a ride if caught transporting than I would have thought and less likely to take a ride if caught in a business with a non-compliant sign - both good things to know. I thought the cop was very professional and confirmed what most of us thought about CC and police interactions.

[Dr. Rat]

What do you mean by "acknowledged" the highland park 10 round limit?

 

This came up during the questions. I double-checked with the SA after the Q&A period and he stated that magazine limits are not preempted, but that Highland Park was the only municipality he could think of that had one.

[NakPPI]

 

What do you mean by "acknowledged" the highland park 10 round limit?

 

 

 

This came up during the questions. I double-checked with the SA after the Q&A period and he stated that magazine limits are not preempted, but that Highland Park was the only municipality he could think of that had one.

 

Name of the SA please? Not Nerheim himself I assume.

[Glock23]

Firearm doesn't have to be concealed whole the FCCL holder is in the vehicle.

Well, whaddaya know...

[Hap]

 

What do you mean by "acknowledged" the highland park 10 round limit?

 

 

 

This came up during the questions. I double-checked with the SA after the Q&A period and he stated that magazine limits are not preempted, but that Highland Park was the only municipality he could think of that had one.

Name of the SA please? Not Nerheim himself I assume.

 

I believe the speaker who mentioned the 10-round limit was the Assistant SA, Daniel Kleinhubert. Nerheim was there as well. As far as the presentation was concerned, "acknowledged" means "stated that there were ordinances limiting magazine capacity of which we needed to be aware" - presumably because they are legitimate. Both hung around for questions afterward. I'm sure Dr. R. will be along to say who he talked to after the presentation, but in any case Nerheim didn't interrupt his assistant and correct him on the 10-round issue so it's safe to assume he thinks these ordinances are legit as well, or at least that they're not his problem.

 

One way or the other, this needs to get fixed.

[NakPPI]

Nerheim probably didn't know any better. It's an easy fix.

 

Edit: received confirmation from Nerheim himself that they do not have jurisdiction to enforce the HP ban, it would be an ordinance violation and not within his responsibilities as states attorney to prosecute, which makes perfect sense.

[sangiovese]

Domin8 gave a great summary so I don't have much to add. I was in the last row near the table with Lake County Sheriff handouts. I was initially turned away but went in anyway and found an empty chair. The main speaker was the Assistant SA. The question about non-compliant GFZ stickers came up a couple of times, specifically the Jewel stickers and stickers at ground level behind smoked glass. The Assistant SA (I think he was the one answering) said we should contact whichever law enforcement office has jurisdiction over that location. I don't remember hearing a specific answer about whether we would be nabbed for carrying in a location with a non-compliant sign. The SA (Nerheim) did give one example. If you are carrying, have a heart attack and are transported in an ambulance to the hospital, will you be arrested for violating a GFZ? NO! He said they will use common sense. They are not trying to play Gotcha.

 

Overall the crowd was pro-2A or at least neutral. There were no anti-2A questions or comments from the crowd. The presenters said that they realize we're the ones trying to do it right. It was an overall positive message from the presenters.