bmyers

Whatever it takes to keep my firearms from having to be registered.

I have already made arrangements to have my 'registerable' items moved across the State line and stored for me. The only thing I haven't figured out yet, is how to get my wife moved across the State line so this would become a non-issue.

It is nice and they are former Illinois residents so they understand the madness over here.

Having a plan is a good thing. I know I have family and friends that are just across the State line that have volunteered space in their gun safes until this whole mess passes. Still not giving up hope that this is resolved before anything else goes into effect.

You make choices every day on what is right and what is wrong and how much risk you will assume. If you study the Nuremberg trials the common defense was I was doing what I was told/ordered (became known as the Nuremberg defense/Superior Orders defense)to do. Just because you are ordered to do something, if it isn't legal, then you don't have to follow it. Does it mean that you will be free from consequences? Nope, as argued in the trial those soldiers/officers/defendants would of faced penalties by their superiors/government at the time if they hadn't followed the orders. Yet, the court still ruled the defendants were wrong for following the orders. We all make choices and each person will have to decide.

There are people that want to meet the request?

Why would the key issue be waived by the plaintiff? I thought that was the whole reason this was going through court?

So they didn't rule if it was a violation of the 2nd Amendment?

Why the original cert? Why not just the cert showing you had taken the refresher? I don't even know where my original cert is at. Sure it is filed somewhere. Last time I renewed it was just the refresher cert.

I find it interesting that Congress, one of the most unethical groups we know, likes to talk about ethics.

Did I miss the link to the no comply patches?

Thank you for the update

So is there an update from the hearing?

Oh okay, I thought something happened in the case, but right now it is everyone dealing with the connection issues. Thanks for the clarification.

Why? What happened?

Since they are making the argument that weapons of the 1700s are the only thing legal, then why did they outlaw calibers of .50 and greater?

After looking at their list of exhibits, I made a new list of firearms that I want to go purchase. Thanks State of Illinois for giving me new purchase ideas once this law is struck down.

That is what I'm waiting to see, what did the State list as being outlawed?

As others have noted, indoors I always double protect. I use ear plugs and the electronic muffs. I have Howards and Walkers, and indoors I can't tell much difference between the two.

I believe what he is looking for is to see how many times delays were filed on the case, not the actual case. Molly in another thread is trying to get a count on how many times the AG delays cases.

You have to remember filing a lawsuit like this isn't easy. The brief you file, to my understanding, is limited to 30 pages or less (there are some workarounds, but I am not a lawyer). That sounds like a lot, but with all the issues in this bill, you will be just scratching the surface of those in 30 pages. Yet, your brief setups your case and has to show to the court that you have a case. So as much as we want a suit filed yesterday, it is important for the suits that are being filed to take the time to get them well prepared and then filed. For most of us, nothing changes for 90 days, except we can no longer buy banned firearms or magazines. I would much rather those involved take a few days and get the best argument for the suit put together than rush in and file a poorly written brief and create issues. My guess is there may be a flood of suits coming.

So with the State filing appeal, does this mean this could end back up in front of Illinois Supreme Court and possibly force them to finally deal with the FOID Act?

Also, for those of you looking for ways to donate to SAF, you can do that via Amazon Smile and a percentage of your purchases is donated to SAF. It isn't a large amount, but pennies add up.

I think the SAf, GOA, and our own Illinois Carry Forum are all good places to look at donating to support the 2nd.