Suburbs with gun bans split over impact of court ruling

[gravyboy77]

In the trib:

 

Suburbs with gun bans split over impact of court ruling

Local officials study the potential impact of the federal decision overturning Washington's law

 

By James Kimberly and Andrew L. Wang | Chicago Tribune reporters

11:55 PM CDT, June 26, 2008

 

Some Chicago suburbs that have passed handgun bans in the past weren't sure if those laws could be jeopardized by Thursday's U.S. Supreme Court ruling. Others didn't think it would matter either way.

 

In the years since Morton Grove passed the first handgun ban in the nation in 1981, Evanston, Oak Park, Winnetka and Wilmette also outlawed handguns. Because of the high court's ruling that Washington, D.C., cannot ban people from owning guns, all five suburban bans could now be declared unconstitutional.

 

Though Chicago officials Thursday vowed to fight any challenges to its 1982 handgun ban, suburban officials said it was too soon to say whether the ruling applied to them. Some felt that overturning their bans wouldn't be a big deal. Still others were outraged, such as Oak Park Village President David Pope, who said the ruling would threaten safety in his near west suburb, which banned gun ownership in 1984.

 

"The ruling puts [Justice Antonin] Scalia and the four other conservative justices squarely on the side of the gang-bangers who terrorize far too many of urban American neighborhoods today," he said.

 

Wilmette will suspend enforcement of the ban while attorneys decide whether the ruling applies to them, said Village President Chris Canning.

 

Winnetka banned handguns in 1989, a year after Laurie Dann, 20, opened fire with three handguns inside an elementary school, killing an 8-year-old boy and injuring five others. Village President Ed Woodbury said Thursday that Winnetka doesn't have much gun-related crime and called the ban "an expression of the kind of community we want to be."

 

Morton Grove Mayor Richard Krier said the village would comply with the law.

 

"We are a small suburban town," he said of the north suburb, which banned the possession or sale of handguns 27 years ago. "We've never had any real handgun violence before then or since then."

 

Suburban gun owners and merchants hailed the Supreme Court ruling.

 

Hale DeMar of Wilmette gained notoriety four years ago when he shot a burglar in his home and was cited with violating the village's gun ownership ban. The case was resolved when the state passed a law enabling courts to ignore local gun ordinances in cases where the weapon was used in self-defense.

 

"I understand the politics of it, but as a parent of two small children who was faced with that situation, I was glad to have the handgun in my house. I would do it again," DeMar said Thursday. The burglar "weighed more than 200 pounds. I'm a 60-year-old guy and I weigh 140 pounds. What am I going to do? Argue with the guy?"

[Slappy]

This actually sounds good... suspending bans while they figure it out...

 

Its going to be another good day I think!!!

 

[Kaeghl]

We're on vacation next week, and plan on some simple day-trips instead of the usual week long drive to tourist trap-y places. Perhaps, just perhaps, we'll go do some tourist tripping to Wilmette or Morton Grove and spend some money there. (Do they have anything to do or see in those places? Any neat curio type shops or antique places?)

 

And, just to make a point of it to the administrators, I do believe I'm going to send who-ever there an e-mail telling them of that.

 

"No Guns" Attitude=NO $$$$$

 

Respect Gun RIghts= $$$$$$$

[gravyboy77]

Still others were outraged, such as Oak Park Village President David Pope, who said the ruling would threaten safety in his near west suburb, which banned gun ownership in 1984.

 

"The ruling puts [Justice Antonin] Scalia and the four other conservative justices squarely on the side of the gang-bangers who terrorize far too many of urban American neighborhoods today," he said.

 

Then you have this moron from Oak Park! :Angry!:

 

We don't have gangbangers terrorizing my town, maybe the mayor needs to clean up Oak Park.

[c-rock]

the real issue is the towns are broke,

 

their revenue is going down, from less transfer taxes from sales of properties. Alot of them depended on such to fund their budgets these past few years. With prices going down, they are not getting what they use to.

 

 

If they had fat budgets, I figure it would be more of a fight from them.

[BShawn]

Now only if Chicago, Oak Park, and any others would have signed on to this 'smart' idea

[SmershAgent]

"We are a small suburban town," he said of the north suburb, which banned the possession or sale of handguns 27 years ago. "We've never had any real handgun violence before then or since then."

 

Then why, Morton Grove, why?

 

I thought curtailing violence was the primary motive for restrictive gun laws. Perhaps they just didn't think it was very cosmopolitan to allow citizens to own handguns in a progressive, upper-crust suburb.

 

When the time comes, the mayor's remark should be used against him.

[oneshot]

the real issue is the towns are broke,

 

their revenue is going down, from less transfer taxes from sales of properties. Alot of them depended on such to fund their budgets these past few years. With prices going down, they are not getting what they use to.

 

 

If they had fat budgets, I figure it would be more of a fight from them.

 

Right, whereas all Chicago proper has to do is siphon more money from downstate. :Angry!:

[oneshot]

Then why, Morton Grove, why?

 

Because it feeeeeeeeeeeeeels good. Let's all join hands and sing, making the world a better place.

[RancidWannaRiot]

:crosses fingers:

 

I hope we hear of more places suspending their bans, and later outright getting rid of them from their city codes.

[Chris]

Then why, Morton Grove, why?

 

Because it feeeeeeeeeeeeeels good. Let's all join hands and sing, making the world a better place.

yeah and lets all join a commune.

[MWG321]

While we're at it, i'm going to go make friends with simba at the local zoo.

[Beezil]

I have a SECOND pistol registration notarized and ready to bring down to 35th and state......since the one I sent in during the mell maneuver got rejected.

 

can't wait.

 

Who wants to you tube me doing an nfl-ish endzone victory dance at the gun registration counter?

[MWG321]

In a way, I want the suburb towns to end their handgun bans first. I want as much pressure on Chicago as possible.

[Beezil]

In a way, I want the suburb towns to end their handgun bans first. I want as much pressure on Chicago as possible.

 

i think you are gonna get it that way....

 

simply because i think the smaller towns and suburbs just don't have the funds to fight that law battle.

 

but chicago does.

 

it will be interesting to see if they fold or bet.

[c-rock]

their funds are in the red, that is mainly why.

with old infracture needs comming up, they have to use the funds to deal with real problems.

 

If this came out in 2004, I think you would see more fights put up.

 

The consitution comes out again, and helps bring peace to the republic. :Crying. =-(:

 

July 11th is about celebration really.

[johnyt101]

Wilmette is having a judiciary board meeting July 8th to discuss the future of their gun ban...any one willing to go? I might go if I dont have to work.

[RancidWannaRiot]

so, would it be possible for Chicago to allow gun registration but then turn around, and make it like $1,000,000 to register a gun. As a way to circumvent the ruling? :Crying. =-(:

[mikew]

so, would it be possible for Chicago to allow gun registration but then turn around, and make it like $1,000,000 to register a gun. As a way to circumvent the ruling? :Crying. =-(:

They could try it, and it might take one or two trips to the Supremes to get it straightened out,

but it will never stick. That kind of tactic has been taken care of already, by liberals.

 

Why? It's been tried before by other bigots, in this case racists, in order to keep blacks from voting.

They had poll taxes, and poll tests. Creating these kind of obstacles to voting is unconstitutional.

 

Note that we still have voter registration, but the costs are borne by the government, not by individual voters.

When has anyone here paid for their voter registration card?

 

Thus, FOID and gun registration should work out to be free, eventually.

then the local governments will decide that gun registration is not a good idea.

[Slappy]

They could try it, and it might take one or two trips to the Supremes to get it straightened out,

but it will never stick. That kind of tactic has been taken care of already, by liberals.

 

Why? It's been tried before by other bigots, in this case racists, in order to keep blacks from voting.

They had poll taxes, and poll tests. Creating these kind of obstacles to voting is unconstitutional.

 

Note that we still have voter registration, but the costs are borne by the government, not by individual voters.

When has anyone here paid for their voter registration card?

 

Thus, FOID and gun registration should work out to be free, eventually.

then the local governments will decide that gun registration is not a good idea.

 

Still seems like they can delay and delay and delay... I'll be telling my grandkids about heller when they finally strike it down...

 

I really hope its quicker but I know good lawyers can bury the court with motion after motion and bog things down...

[RancidWannaRiot]

I read on the NRA site, that they also filed suit in Morton grove and Evanston.

 

The Evanston press, isn't talking much about it. Other than that they have city lawyer looking into what they can do (i.e. how else they can screw over gun owners).

[Slappy]

I read on the NRA site, that they also filed suit in Morton grove and Evanston.

 

The Evanston press, isn't talking much about it. Other than that they have city lawyer looking into what they can do (i.e. how else they can screw over gun owners).

 

 

I'm sure all these cities are having their lawyers look into how they can keep breaking the law!!!

[RancidWannaRiot]

Here's another question.

 

Could Chicago or any of the suburbs (i'm especially interested in Evanston) limit the number of guns per person or household?

 

I was reading through the SCOTUS opinion. However, i can't read it all since i 'm busy. I don't think it mentions anything about the number of arms that can be kept.

 

Anyone have a clue?

[Slappy]

Here's another question.

 

Could Chicago or any of the suburbs (i'm especially interested in Evanston) limit the number of guns per person or household?

 

I was reading through the SCOTUS opinion. However, i can't read it all since i 'm busy. I don't think it mentions anything about the number of arms that can be kept.

 

Anyway?

 

 

No there can't be a limit... you can only shoot one gun at a time... unless you're John Woo...

 

Just like there is no law requiring them to be dissembled or locked up...

[RancidWannaRiot]

unless you're John Woo...

 

:Crying. =-(:

[GarandFan]

Suspension of enforcement, or outright repeal of these ban laws by such municipalities is commendably honest of them...not to mention a responsible use (or lack of us) of their taxpayer's dollars.

 

We could only hope that the other municipalities and states that violate people's rights comply so quietly, if not willingly.

[armueller2001]

Still others were outraged, such as Oak Park Village President David Pope, who said the ruling would threaten safety in his near west suburb, which banned gun ownership in 1984.

 

"The ruling puts [Justice Antonin] Scalia and the four other conservative justices squarely on the side of the gang-bangers who terrorize far too many of urban American neighborhoods today," he said.

 

Then you have this moron from Oak Park! :Angry!:

 

We don't have gangbangers terrorizing my town, maybe the mayor needs to clean up Oak Park.

 

Yeah and apparently "gang bangers" follow gun bans too... idiot...

[MWG321]

Daley could still save face by suspending the ban while the legal proceedings follow even though it may take years for a final decision. All the while the gun ban would be gone :lips sealed:

[flagtag]

Daley could still save face by suspending the ban while the legal proceedings follow even though it may take years for a final decision. All the while the gun ban would be gone :lips sealed:

 

You're talking about Daley here. The little boy who would say "If I can't have my way, I'll take my ball and go home!" That Daily?

[MWG321]

One can dream............ :lips sealed: