45superman Posted August 1, 2005 at 08:13 AM Posted August 1, 2005 at 08:13 AM We knew, of course, that Rod would veto SB0057 (which would close the "gunshow loophole," but also require the destruction of gun purchase records within 90 days)--and there's no use fighting that veto, because he's already signed SB1333 (which closes the "loophole," but does nothing about the purchase records). But according to this article, he also vetoed SB2104 (preempts local firearm laws with regard to transporting firearms), and HB0340 (dispenses with the waiting period when trading in a gun). Here's the text of the article: Gov. Rod Blagojevich has vetoed three bills that he says would have weakened laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. One bill called for elimination of an Illinois State Policedatabase that tracks firearms purchases. Another piece of legislation would have eliminated the waiting period for gun owners trading in firearms. That measure would have allowed gun owners to trade-in a hunting rifle or small handgun for a military-style assault weapon without delay. A third bill would have overridden local laws regulating thetransport of firearms. Blagojevich says vetoing the measures better protects families and communities. The National Rifle Association had supported all three bills. I guess this: "That measure would have allowed gun owners to trade-in a hunting rifle or small handgun for a military-style assault weapon without delay," shows which side of the issue these news folks are on. Both SB2104 and HB0340 passed with majorities big enough, or nearly so, to overcome vetos (assuming none of the "yea" voters waffle on us--probably an overly optimistic assumption on my part). This is how it breaks down: HB0340 passed 73-42-1 in the House, and 36-21-0 in the Senate, while SB2104 passed 79-36-1 in the House, and 34-25-0 in the Senate. We need a 3/5 majority in each chamber to override a veto, right (I'm half asleep, and can't remember for sure now)? That would mean that an override would need 71 votes in the House, and 36 in the Senate. So...if they vote the same way on an override vote that they did when the bills came up the first time, HB0340 is in good shape, but we need two more Senators for SB2104. When does the veto session start, anyway?
Blaster Posted August 1, 2005 at 10:43 AM Posted August 1, 2005 at 10:43 AM Next session is 10/25/2005
Jeff Johnson Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:51 AM Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:51 AM I guess this: "That measure would have allowed gun owners to trade-in a hunting rifle or small handgun for a military-style assault weapon without delay," shows which side of the issue these news folks are on.Any other time those would be high-powered SNIPER RIFLES and easily concealed SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIALS. These people have an agenda and will do and say anything to promote it.I'm planning to visit my reps personally. they have office hours, alot of town hall type meetings, parades followed by meet-and-greets, etc. A chance to remind them of those letters and faxes we sent, let them put a face with the name.
45superman Posted August 1, 2005 at 01:56 PM Author Posted August 1, 2005 at 01:56 PM Blaster, thanks for the info regarding the date for the beginning of the fall session. Jeff, I would think face-to-face meetings are the best yet, but I would still like for us to get in touch with all the Senators and Representatives (or at least those with whom we have a chance of making a difference), and for that, a mass mailing, emailing, telephone, and fax campaign will be necessary. With that in mind, I figured it might be useful to try to get Senator Rutherford on board with this effort. This is the email I just sent him: Dear Senator Rutherford, It is I who should be thanking you for your efforts in defense of our Second Amendment rights, not the other way around. As I have mentioned before, Second Amendment rights are my greatest political concern, and I would like to know about anything I can do to help with the protection and advancement of those rights. With that in mind, I note with dismay (but without surprise) that Governor Blagojevich has vetoed SB2104 (preemption for purposes of transporting firearms) and HB0340 (which would dispense with the waiting period when trading in a firearm). HB0340 received 36 votes in the Senate when it was voted on there, so if none of its supporters jump ship, we should have enough votes for an override in the Senate (and also in the House). SB2104, on the other hand, received only 34 votes in the Senate, so (if I understand correctly) we would need to convince two more Senators of the need for this bill if we are to succeed in overriding the veto. I was wondering if you could identify any of your colleagues on the Senate who voted against the bill, but on whom an intense focus of our efforts might produce a change of heart (and also those who supported the bill, but might need some reminders if they are to keep the faith). I am a member of Illinoiscarry.com (which is, by the way, where I learned of your staunch support for our Constitutional rights), so we could get a great many calls, emails, and letters to Senators you identify as being "on the fence" with regard to these bills. Thank you for your time, and for your good work, Kurt Hofmann I'll post any reply I get.
SmershAgent Posted August 1, 2005 at 02:16 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 02:16 PM Emailing Rutherford was a capital idea, and I agree a coordinated effort at persuasion (much like we did when these bills originally came up) is in order. From a concealed carry standpoint, SB2104 is probably more important, as it will help lay the groundwork for future legislation (being able to carry isn't a lot of good if you can be arrested for transporting), but obviously we should zealously push for an override on both of these. This thread shows how everyone voted. Obviously it isn't worth wasting a stamp on any of the red legislators, and hopefully the green ones aren't going to vacilate. My recommendation is to focus heavily on the yellow and even the orange ones. It will probably be a good idea to pick them all out and group them into short lists, and we can each sign up for a couple of groups to contact, just like we did with the CCW bills. I'll have time to do that this evening, but if anyone wants to start during the day, that would be grand as well.
Johnnybgood Posted August 1, 2005 at 02:52 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 02:52 PM Personally I am emailing, snailmailing, and phoning and If I can get to their offices, town meetings I will be there. Both my Senators are definatley hardcore anti's. Durbin has got to know that his position is weak. He may be looking to make some political points. Obama is a different story. But I think if there is a big enough flood of afformentioned emails etc..... he may be convinced to vote our way. I have already emailed Blago and told him I will be campaining against him in the next election. Do we start now or wait unitl were closer to the fall veto session?
Ocellairs Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:00 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:00 PM According to the Excel read out. On SB 2104 and HB 340 some vote for one, but didn't vote for the other, or didn't vote at all. So... Louis S. Viverito........... (D) No on SB 2104....Yes on HB 340Steven Rauschenberger ® Yes on SB 2104.....NV on HB 340James DeLeo................(D) No on SB 2104.....NV on HB 340
Johnnybgood Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:06 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:06 PM My bad. Make that Senators Demuzio and Hannig. In previous post. Senator Demuzio voted for both SB2104 and SB57. So I will make sure she understands my appreciation for her efforts on our part, Senator Hannig however voted yes for SB57 but No for SB2104, He is definatley going to get some of my attention.
dorvinion Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:19 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 03:19 PM Wish I knew what district I was in. Just moved and haven't got my voter reg card yet. The ILGA's lookup tool says I'm in 25th Senate District (Chris Lauzen - Green) and the 49th Representative District (Timothy L. Schmitz - Yellow). When I look at a district map though I think I'm in the 28th Senate District(John Millner - Yellow) and the 55th Representative District(Seat formerly held by Millner) All of my possible reps and senators voted for HB 340 and SB 2104.
45superman Posted August 1, 2005 at 05:41 PM Author Posted August 1, 2005 at 05:41 PM Just to let everyone know, in order to avoid duplication of efforts--I'm assembling a list of all the yellow and orange senators, with their contact information (at their main district offices--I figure they won't be in Sprinfield until much closer to the fall session)--I should have it posted fairly soon.
SmershAgent Posted August 1, 2005 at 06:01 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 06:01 PM Just to let everyone know, in order to avoid duplication of efforts--I'm assembling a list of all the yellow and orange senators, with their contact information (at their main district offices--I figure they won't be in Sprinfield until much closer to the fall session)--I should have it posted fairly soon.Excellent. I just did a quick scan of the Senate votes for SB2104, and we may be in a tight spot. It appears every yellow and green Senator already voted with us, and it's going to be tough to find 2 of the remaining orange ones to change their minds (just about all of them are north of I-80). This isn't to say we shouldn't try like mad, of course.
45superman Posted August 1, 2005 at 09:24 PM Author Posted August 1, 2005 at 09:24 PM Sorry it took so long (computer problem). I can't swear to the accuracy of everything (for one thing, several of the Republican email addresses seem to be the same, unless email addresses are case sensitive, which I didn't think was the case). Anyway, these are the Senators who were listed as either yellow or orange on the Tbi2a.org website. Pamela Althoff RSB2104 YHB0340 Y info@senatoralthoff.com (815)-455-6330 (815)-455-8284 FAX 3 W. Crystal Lake Ave. Crystal Lake, IL 60014 Springfield officeSenator 32nd DistrictM103E Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217)-782-8000 Dan Cronin R SB2104 N HB0340 Y senatorcronin@aol.com (630)-792-0040 (630)-792-8620 FAX 313 S. Main St. Lombard, IL 60148 Springfield OfficeSenator 21st District309G Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217)-782-8107 M. Maggie Crotty D SB2104 N HB0340 Y crotty@senatedem.state.il.us(708)-687-9696 (708)-687-9801 FAX 15028 S. Cicero, Unit A Oak Forest, IL 60452 Springfield OfficeSenator 19th District311 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217)-782-9595 John Cullerton D SB2104 N HB0340 N john@senatorcullerton.com(773)-883-0770 (773)-296-0993 FAX 1051 W. Belmont Chicago, IL 60657 Sprinfield OfficeSenator 6th District111 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217)-782-7260 Miguel Del Valle D SB2104 N HB0340 N delvalle@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-292-0202 (773)-292-1903 FAX 4150 W. Armitage Ave. Chicago, IL 60651 Sprinfield OfficeSenator 2nd District321 Capitol BuildingSpringfield, IL 62706(217)-782-5652 James DeLeo D SB2104 N HB0340 NV deleo@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-237-2525 (773)-237-7171 FAX 6839 W. Belmont Chicago, IL 60634 Sprinfield OfficeSenator 10th District 323 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-1035 Kirk Dillard R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y senator@kdillard.com (630)-969-0990 (630)-969-1007 FAX One S. Cass Ave. Westmont, IL 60559 Springfield Office: Senator 24th District 119D Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8148 Adeline Geo-Karis R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y SenateGOP@senategop.state.il.us (847)-872-7500 (847)-872-3131 FAX 2613 Sheridan Rd. Zion, IL 60099 Springfield Office: Senator 31st District 309C Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-7353 Don Harmon D SB2104 N HB0340 N harmon@senatedem.state.il.us(708)-848-2002 (708)-848-2022 FAX 6933 W. North Ave. Oak Park, IL 6032 Springfield Office: Senator 39th District 605 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8176 Emil Jones D SB2104 N HB0340 N jones@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-995-7748 (773)-995-9061 FAX 507 W. 111th St. Chicago, IL 60628 Springfield Office: Senator 14th District 327 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-2728 Edward Maloney D SB2104 N HB0340 N maloney@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-881-4180 (773)-881-4243 FAX 1044 South Western Ave. Chicago, IL 60643 Springfield Office: Senator 18th District 311 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-5145 John Millner (not enough voting record to evaluate) RSB2104 NVHB0340 NVsenategop@senategop.state.il.us(630)-524-9250(630)-524-92512580 Foxfield Rd.St. Charles, IL 60174 Springfield Office: Senator 28th District 105 State Capital Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8192 Antonio Munoz D SB2104 N HB0340 N munoz@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-869-9050 (773)-869-9046 FAX 2021 W. 35th Chicago, IL 60609 Springfield Office: Senator 1st District 124 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-9415 Carole Pankau R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y Senategop@senategop.state.il.us (630)-582-0390 (217)-524-6059 FAX 1 Tiffany Pt., Ste. G Bloomingdale, IL 60108 Springfield Office: Senator 23rd District 105K Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-9463 William Peterson R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y ilsen26@aol.com (847)-634-6060 (847)-634-1569 FAX 3050 N. Main St. Buffalo Grove, IL 60089 Springfield Office: Senator 26th District 307 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8010 Christine Radogno R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y None shown (630)-243-0800 (630)-243-0808 FAX 410 Main St. Lemont, IL 60439 Springfield Office: Senator 41st District 105A Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-9407 Steven Rauschenberger R SB2104 Y HB0340 N senator@srauschenberger.com(847)-622-1049 (847)-622-0948 FAX 1112 South St. Elgin, IL 60123 Springfield Office: Senator 22nd District 309F Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-7746 Peter Roskam R SB2104 Y HB0340 Y peter@peterroskam.com(630)-690-4500 (630)-690-4505 FAX 315 W. Wesley Wheaton, IL 60187 Springfield Office: Senator 48th District 309H Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8022 Kwame Raoul D SB2104 N HB0340 N raoul@senatedem.state.il.us(773)-363-1996 (773)-363-5099 FAX 1013 E. 53rd St. Chicago, IL 60615 Springfield Office: Senator 13th District M121 Capitol Bldg. Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-5338 George Shadid D SB2104 Y HB0340 Y shadid@senatedem.state.il.us(309)-353-6276 (309)-353-1819 FAX 410 Court St. Pekin, IL 61554 Springfield Office: Senator 46th District 121C Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-8250 Ira Silverstein D SB2104 N HB0340 N silverstein@senatedem.state.il.us (773)-743-5015 (773)-743-4750 FAX 2951 W. Devon Chicago, IL 60659 Springfield Office: Senator 8th District 121B Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-5500 David Sullivan R SB2104 N HB0340 N senatordavesullivan@msn.com(847)-734-0033 (847)-734-0036 FAX 1699 Wall St., Ste. 123 Mt. Prospect, IL 60056 Donne Trotter D SB2104 N HB0340 N trotter@senatedem.state.il.us(217)-933-7715 (773)-933-5498 FAX 8704 S. Constance Ave., Ste. 324 Chicago, IL 60617 Springfield Office: Senator 17th District 615 Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-3201 Louis Viverito D SB2104 N HB0340 Y viverito@senatedem.state.il.us(708)-430-2510 (708)-430-2610 FAX6215 W. 79th, Ste.1A Burbank, IL 60459 Springfield Office: Senator 11th District 121A Capitol Building Springfield, IL 62706 (217) 782-0054 P.S.--I cleaned it up some. I also removed Kathleen Wojcik, and added John Millner--I think we should hit him hard, since we don't have much of an idea on where he'll come down on this (also, I'd been counting on Wojcik's help, since she voted for both SB2104 and HB0340).
SmershAgent Posted August 1, 2005 at 10:47 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 10:47 PM Thanks for taking the time to filter out these names for us. Obviously the best thing would be for everyone here to do letters and calls for the entire list (both right now and at least once more when the veto session draws nearer). However, if you don't have time for all that, I think focusing on those Senators who cast 1 favorable and 1 unfavorable vote would be the most efficacious. The orange ones who voted "no" twice are hardcore enough that we probably can't change their minds. The ones who voted "yes" twice are more likely to be stable (though reminding them of their duty isn't a bad thing). Those who voted 50/50 would appear to be at least somewhat open to persuasion, as they were willing to cast some pro-RKBA votes. If we can saturate them with polite, well-reasoned, and brief arguments over the next couple of months, perhaps they'll behave reasonably. I'm also crossing my fingers that Sen. Rutherford gets back to use with some ideas about who to lobby the hardest.
mack69 Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:46 PM Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:46 PM Just a quick update to 460's list...Kay Wojcik recently rertired and John Milner has replaced her. His info is below...he also will have an office in the same location as Senator Wojcik. His info is below but I do not have a personal email address.John J. Millner State Senator 28th District 2580 Foxfield Road | St. Charles, IL 60174 630/524-9250 | Fax: 630/524-9251 Schaumburg, IL office(847)-524-0461 514 W. Wise Rd. Schaumburg, IL 60193 State Capital217/782-8192 | Fax: 217/782-4079
45superman Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:54 PM Author Posted August 1, 2005 at 11:54 PM Good eye, Mack--thanks.
45superman Posted August 2, 2005 at 01:54 AM Author Posted August 2, 2005 at 01:54 AM Smersh, I like your idea of putting a specific focus on Senators who voted "Nay" on one of the bills, and "Yea" on the other (I think Ocellairs also mentioned some who did that). Dan Cronin seems like an especially likely "target"--he voted "Nay" on SB2104, and "Yea" on HB0340, and although his district (the 21st Senate District) is near Chicago, he is a Republican. Perhaps we could remind him which side the Republicans' bread is buttered on. Does anyone here live in the 21st Senate District (since a word from his constituents would mean the most)? Blaster, another thing I would like to look into is Senators who voted to override Rod's Wilmette bill veto, and correlate that list against Senators who voted against either of the current bills in question (particularly SB2104). Since they have shown a willingness to defy Rod and his anti-gun agenda, I think there might be some hope for bringing them around to our side on this issue, as well. The problem is, I can't figure out how to find the Senate voting records for that veto (I think I knew at one point, but I've since forgotten). Could you point me in the right direction? Thanks.
45superman Posted August 2, 2005 at 02:18 PM Author Posted August 2, 2005 at 02:18 PM OK--I finally figured out how to find the Senate vote record for the motion to override Rod's veto of the Wilmette bill. Comparing that list to the voting records on SB2104 and HB0340, I came up with 7 names of interest. These are all folks who voted to override the veto, but voted against (or at least failed to vote for) either SB2104 or HB0340. It shakes out like this: Dan Cronin RSB2104 NHB0340 Y M. Maggie Crotty DSB2104 NHB0340 Y James DeLeo DSB2104 NHB0340 NV Steven Rauschenberger RSB2104 YHB0340 NV Dave Sullivan RSB2104 NHB0340 N Donne Trotter D SB2104 NHB0340 N Louis Viverito DSB2104 NHB0340 Y Contact information for these folks (and the other state Senators who are neither solidly pro-gun, and thus unlikely to need much urging from us, or virulently anti-gun, and thus unlikely to pay attention to urging from us) is here.
Ocellairs Posted August 2, 2005 at 04:27 PM Posted August 2, 2005 at 04:27 PM Suggestion please.....by names of the reps or senators...lets mention which political party they belong too.
45superman Posted August 2, 2005 at 04:42 PM Author Posted August 2, 2005 at 04:42 PM Suggestion please.....by names of the reps or senators...lets mention which political party they belong too. Ask and ye shall receive (within reason)--done.
Druid Posted August 2, 2005 at 07:33 PM Posted August 2, 2005 at 07:33 PM Wrote another letter to the Tribune today: This year, our governor had a chance to sign three commonsense gun control bills into law. This legislation enjoyed large bi-partisan support in the house and senate, yet Blagojevich still felt the need to veto them. These gun control laws are the epitome of “common sense” gun law reform. It is now evident that Blagojevich is not interested in common sense, but is a puppet for the radical left wing anti-gun zealots who seem to emanate from Mayor Daley’s office. We would have seen Illinois maintain a database of gun transactions for a length of time that exceed federal law by 90 times. We would have allowed out of state/county sportsmen the ability to drive thru Chicago with firearms in their trunk, without fear of losing them. We also would have allowed law abiding citizens the freedom to trade one gun for another without having to wait several days for it, yet still doing an FBI background check as all gun sales require (yes, even sales at gun shows). These bills are perfect examples of common sense laws, yet our governor gave into political pressure to veto them anyway. The people of Illinois can only hope that his veto gets overturned as soon as possible. These laws will in no way make any community more dangerous as Blagojevich claims, and if it were community safety he cared about, he would do what the majority of other States have done, and pass a concealed carry law in Illinois.
45superman Posted August 2, 2005 at 07:48 PM Author Posted August 2, 2005 at 07:48 PM Very good letter, Druid--let us know if they print it (I don't think I'll hold my breath...).
spec4 Posted August 2, 2005 at 09:08 PM Posted August 2, 2005 at 09:08 PM Excellent letter. I wrote the Tribune a letter to clear up FOID confusion several years ago, and surprisingly, they printed it. For sure their editorial team is anti 2A.Let's see if they print yours.
Druid Posted August 2, 2005 at 09:15 PM Posted August 2, 2005 at 09:15 PM Let's see if they print yours. I hope they print it, but I think it's highly unlikely.
junglebob Posted August 4, 2005 at 01:26 PM Posted August 4, 2005 at 01:26 PM Jpjnnybgood,I noticed your post under this thread. You mentioned contacting Senators Durbin and Obama. They are Illinois's U.S. Senators. We need to be contacting our Illinois State Senators and Representatives. Durbin and Obama have no vote on legislation in the Illinois Senate. It would be nice if they were pro2A (pro second amendment) but even if they were they'd not be able to vote on this legislation.. I think we need to make this clear to everyone, especially those who haven't been involved in contacting our legislators before. This goes both ways, contacting your state senator about voting on a bill in the U.S. Senate is also a waste of time. Deblackia, welcome to the forum.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------A society of sheep must in time beget a govenment of wolves. Bertrandde Jouvene
Johnnybgood Posted August 11, 2005 at 02:13 AM Posted August 11, 2005 at 02:13 AM Junglebob,Look at my post under that one. I got it right in that one.
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