CHL Referendums

[Chris]

I think it's time we consolidate our information about what counties will have the CHL Resolution (which asks the votes of that county if they support Concealed Carry) on the ballot this November.

 

I've created a map of the counties I know about so far, please reply if you know about other counties.

 

Remember, because a county is not voting on this resolution it does not mean that they is against CHL, they may simply feel that your rights should not be voted upon.

 

Update 8/19/2008: Kendall and Olge County is now Green

 

Update 8/21/2008: Woodford and McDonough is now Green and Jasper is Yellow

 

Update 8/22/2008: Jasper is now Green

 

Update 8/25/2008: Greene is now Green

 

Update 8/26/2008: Jefferson is now Green

 

Update 8/31/2008: Saline is now Green

 

Update 9/22/2008: Effingham is now Green

 

Update 9/23/2008: Clinton, White, Hamilton, Wayne, Johnson, Williamson is now Red and Franklin is Green

 

Update 2: 9/23/2008: Edwards, Lake, Marshal, Champaign, Calhoun, Carroll, Clay, Cole, Hancock, Henderson, Iroquois, Lee is now Red

 

Update 3: 9/23/2008 Marion, McHenry, Menard, Mercer, Morgan, Randolph, Richland, Sangamon, Washington is now Red

 

Update 4: 9/23/2008 Lawrence, Clark, Cumberland, Jackson, Wabash is now Red and Crawford is Green

 

Update 5: 9/23/2008 DuPage is now Red

 

Update 6: 9/23/2008 Perry, Bureau, Monroe, St. Clair and Stephenson is now Red

 

Update 9/24/2008 Peoria, Mason, Henry, Livingston is now red

 

Update 9/25/2008 Tazewell, Piatt, Shelby, Moultrie is now Red and Union is Green (The Map is now higher quality and smaller file size)

 

Update 2: 9/25/2008 Will is Red

 

Update 9/26/2008 Boone, Jo Daviess, Whiteside, Rock Island, Putnam, Grundy, Kankakee is Red

 

Update 2: 9/26/2008 Stark, Warren, Knox, Fulton, Vermilion is Red

 

Update 9/29/2008 Cook, DeKalb, Ford, McLean, Logan, DeWitt, Macon is Red

 

Update 2: 9/29/2008 Douglas and Edgar is Red

 

Update 3: 9/29/2008 Kane is Red

 

Update 4: 9/29/2008 Christian, Fayette and Montgomery is Red

 

Update 5: 9/29/2008 Bond is Red

 

Update 9/30/2008 Macoupin, Jersey, Brown, Pike, Scott, Madison is Red

 

Update 2: 9/30/2008 Adams, Schuyler and Cass is Red

 

Thanks to sierrahotel53 for the wording list:

 

Illinois State Board of Elections

Referendum List

Election

 

General Election 2008

Crawford County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Cumberland County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Effingham County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Franklin County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Greene County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Jasper County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Jefferson County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Kendall County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

LaSalle County

Shall the General Assembly of Illinois enact legislation in the form of Illinois House Bill 1304 to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

McDonough County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Ogle County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Saline County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Union County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Winnebago County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

General Election 2008

Woodford County

Shall the General Assembly enact legislation to permit the carrying of concealed firearms?

 

Map Completed Everyone else is Red

[BushRat]

Chris,

 

I think this thread will go far and deep like Pro 2A resolution thread.

 

In my view, you might as well put Crook county in red; it will never pass...

[Beezil]

nice work!

 

now, if we can make that map change colors like the national map has over the years

[lockman]

I think it's time we consolidate our information about what counties will have the CCW Resolution (which asks the votes of that county if they support Concealed Carry) on the ballot this November.

 

Who has the proposal in Kane? I have not heard a peep out of my rep even though I update her about every month!

[Chris]

I think it's time we consolidate our information about what counties will have the CCW Resolution (which asks the votes of that county if they support Concealed Carry) on the ballot this November.

 

Who has the proposal in Kane? I have not heard a peep out of my rep even though I update her about every month!

 

I starting to think it was a mistake and it was really Kendall County in the paper.

 

http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=11530

[Chris]

Updated to include Kendall

[Chris]

Updated to change olge to green.

[johnyt101]

I think Rock Island should go red for now because it was voted down in committee...I am pretty sure that it did not get out of committee in Boone either.

[Chris]

I think Rock Island should go red for now because it was voted down in committee...I am pretty sure that it did not get out of committee in Boone either.

 

??

 

I was in the Boone County meeting and it was being looked at by their lawyers and we will probably know more about theirs at the next public safety meeting.

 

What are you sourcing for your information johny?

 

Don't forget this is different than Pro 2a

[whyzdom]

Johny is correct on Rock Island County going red for now. I was at the R.I. County Board Meeting lastnight and they mentioned it had been discussed as a resolution, but that it didn't make it out of Committee. About 10 seconds later, they passed the Pro-2A Resolution which is at least an excellent first step. I will prepare another packet of information once Illinois hits 50% passage of this new Resolution. The reason I am waiting until 50% is that would show that other counties are taking it serious and maybe then Rock Island County will as well.

[Ocellairs]

I was told today by a very reliable source. That Jasper county pass the resolution this past Thursday.

 

It seems it is circulating among the 102 counties to be put on the November ballot.

[Chris]

I was told today by a very reliable source. That Jasper county pass the resolution this past Thursday.

 

It seems it is circulating among the 102 counties to be put on the November ballot.

 

 

I changed the map:

 

Woodford and McDonough is now Green

 

I gave Jasper County a call and they said it hasn't been voted on yet but they discussed it.

[Molly B.]

I was told today by a very reliable source. That Jasper county pass the resolution this past Thursday.

 

It seems it is circulating among the 102 counties to be put on the November ballot.

 

 

I changed the map:

 

Woodford and McDonough is now Green

 

I gave Jasper County a call and they said it hasn't been voted on yet but they discussed it.

It seems odd to me for McDonough Co. to pass this resolution without first having considered the Pro-2A resolution

[Ocellairs]

I was told today by a very reliable source. That Jasper county pass the resolution this past Thursday.

 

It seems it is circulating among the 102 counties to be put on the November ballot.

 

 

I changed the map:

 

Woodford and McDonough is now Green

 

I gave Jasper County a call and they said it hasn't been voted on yet but they discussed it.

 

 

Hmmm, whom did you talk too? States Attorney who sets on the board is the one who told me.

[Chris]

I was told today by a very reliable source. That Jasper county pass the resolution this past Thursday.

 

It seems it is circulating among the 102 counties to be put on the November ballot.

 

 

I changed the map:

 

Woodford and McDonough is now Green

 

I gave Jasper County a call and they said it hasn't been voted on yet but they discussed it.

 

 

Hmmm, whom did you talk too? States Attorney who sets on the board is the one who told me.

 

I talked to the lady that is in charge of preparing their ballot.

[Ocellairs]

Make Jasper Green, it will be on the November ballot.

[Chris]

Make Jasper Green, it will be on the November ballot.

 

Done

[cberan]

Is it just me that thinks this is wierd that this is starting north and working its way south. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around? :Drunk emoticon:

 

Non the less great job everyone, we just have the get the whole state green and educate the people out there.

[Mac]

Wierd or not, I think it is GREAT! Illinois residents are finally gertting the idea that they do need a bunch of Politicians dictating to them what is best for them. I hope that all counties in Illinois at least discuss the resolution and agree to push for Concealed carry for the citizens of Illinois.

 

 

Mac

[hotpig27]

I had to attend our Henry T Rainey Democratic dinner last night. One topic that was discussed was a vile plan by the Republican Greene County Board to put CCW on the ballet.

 

It was alarming to the sheeple last night that this would allow every Tom,Dick, and Harry to run around with guns. After many gasp of shock and shouts of outrage the Deputy giving the speech elaborated more. It would still be against State law so there will not be concealed carry in Greene County even if it passed.

 

He comforted the crowd by telling them it was just a ruse by the Republicans to get all of their little NRA friends to vote with them. He ended his speech with there are more of us Democrats than there are Republicans so we can stop this if we can get the people out to vote.

[lockman]

I had to attend our Henry T Rainey Democratic dinner last night. One topic that was discussed was a vile plan by the Republican Greene County Board to put CCW on the ballet.

 

It was alarming to the sheeple last night that this would allow every Tom,Dick, and Harry to run around with guns. After many gasp of shock and shouts of outrage the Deputy giving the speech elaborated more. It would still be against State law so there will not be concealed carry in Greene County even if it passed.

 

He comforted the crowd by telling them it was just a ruse by the Republicans to get all of their little NRA friends to vote with them. He ended his speech with there are more of us Democrats than there are Republicans so we can stop this if we can get the people out to vote.

 

Did you speak up? I would not have been able to stomach that without comment even if it meant being escorted out of the room. :Angry!: <--gun owner and he votes.

[hotpig27]

I had to attend our Henry T Rainey Democratic dinner last night. One topic that was discussed was a vile plan by the Republican Greene County Board to put CCW on the ballet.

 

It was alarming to the sheeple last night that this would allow every Tom,Dick, and Harry to run around with guns. After many gasp of shock and shouts of outrage the Deputy giving the speech elaborated more. It would still be against State law so there will not be concealed carry in Greene County even if it passed.

 

He comforted the crowd by telling them it was just a ruse by the Republicans to get all of their little NRA friends to vote with them. He ended his speech with there are more of us Democrats than there are Republicans so we can stop this if we can get the people out to vote.

 

Did you speak up? I would not have been able to stomach that without comment even if it meant being escorted out of the room. :Angry!: <--gun owner and he votes.

 

 

No, my wife and daughters had me under a gag order.

 

Actually I thought it was going to be worse than it was. I was watching the States Attorney and some of the local Police Chiefs to see their reactions. The SA did not tip his hand but I could tell two of the Chiefs were not for CCW.

[TTIN]

Is it just me that thinks this is wierd that this is starting north and working its way south. Wouldn't you think it would be the other way around?

 

Non the less great job everyone, we just have the get the whole state green and educate the people out there.

 

Depends on how you look at it,I guess.One would think that it would start in the south,but we don't seem to have the gun problems that our northern brothers/sisters have.So I guess y'all are finally getting tired of being sh1t on,and have decided not to take it anymore.Just my $.02 worth.

[Board9]

I am so proud of the progress that has been made. I wish to thank everyone who has given of their time and money to see that we are given back the rights which have been stolen from us. Some stopped me today and asked if the sticker in my window was for real (illinoiscarry.com RIGHT TO CARRY sticker) and I assured them it was. The checked it out on their Blackberry and were amazed. Look for a new member today I would bet. Thank You all again, and again and again.

[hotpig27]

You can put Greene County in the green for the November ballot.

[Chris]

Greene is now Green

[SirMatthew]

I've been accused of being overly-analytical at times and I may be doing that again now, but I'm getting a little concerned about the CCW ballot issue. Is this for sure going to be on the ballot for the entire state, for those counties which approved the resolution, or maybe not even at all?

 

I was looking at Coach's FOID/Population data along with past voter turnout results and I just don't know how having CCW on the ballot is going to work to our favor. I think we would probably lose if every single county put it on the ballot for all voters to decide.

 

Illinois FOID card holders account for only 9% of the population on average while the U.S. usually has a 50% turnout for Presidential elections. Even if by some miracle every single FOID card holder voted that day while only half of the other population voted, we'd still only account for 18% of the vote. We still wouldn't make up half the vote even if we all had a spouse to vote along side us too, for then we'd only be at 36%.

 

The reality is we can expect only about 50% the FOID card holders (about 4.5% of Illinois population) will show up to the voting booth. It should be higher considering what is at stake and, yes, and I hope it is higher; but it probably won't be higher. For the sake of argument lets say half of those bring a spouse to the voting booth (add another 2.25%). In the least I think we can expect 6.75% of voters to support CCW on that day. How would we make up the difference so we can claim victory?

 

Yes, there are some who support us even though they do not have a FOID card, but I'm not sure of their numbers. I would expect it to be pretty low as nearly everyone I know who supports our cause either has a FOID card or is married to someone who does. Could we expect those additional votes to carry us from 6.75% all the way to victory?

 

The only way I can see this working is if every FOID card holder got no less than 12 non-FOID card holders to commit to a supporting vote. If they all kept their committment then we'd attain 54% of the vote (I think we only need 50%, right?). Having eleven friends help us out with their vote won't cut it as we'll then only be at 49.5%, we would need committments from 12 OR MORE to win.

 

Anyone else have any thoughts or ideas about these election predictions or on how we could gather supporters to help us in the election booth?

[Kenny]

After working the booth at the fair I saw it all. There were a lot of old timers there that said "I've had my shotgun since I was 10 years old I don't use it anymore but I aint paying any money & filling out all the paperwork for a stupid permit to own something that is already mine." There were a lot of people there that do not own guns or ever want to own guns that were all for it because it still benefited & protected them. I have 16 Neighbors that don't have FOID cards or guns that are totally on board with us. Although after this issue came up in Winnebago county 2 of them applied for their FOID cards.

[Board9]

I've been accused of being overly-analytical at times and I may be doing that again now, but I'm getting a little concerned about the CCW ballot issue. Is this for sure going to be on the ballot for the entire state, for those counties which approved the resolution, or maybe not even at all?

 

I was looking at Coach's FOID/Population data along with past voter turnout results and I just don't know how having CCW on the ballot is going to work to our favor. I think we would probably lose if every single county put it on the ballot for all voters to decide.

 

Illinois FOID card holders account for only 9% of the population on average while the U.S. usually has a 50% turnout for Presidential elections. Even if by some miracle every single FOID card holder voted that day while only half of the other population voted, we'd still only account for 18% of the vote. We still wouldn't make up half the vote even if we all had a spouse to vote along side us too, for then we'd only be at 36%.

 

The reality is we can expect only about 50% the FOID card holders (about 4.5% of Illinois population) will show up to the voting booth. It should be higher considering what is at stake and, yes, and I hope it is higher; but it probably won't be higher. For the sake of argument lets say half of those bring a spouse to the voting booth (add another 2.25%). In the least I think we can expect 6.75% of voters to support CCW on that day. How would we make up the difference so we can claim victory?

 

Yes, there are some who support us even though they do not have a FOID card, but I'm not sure of their numbers. I would expect it to be pretty low as nearly everyone I know who supports our cause either has a FOID card or is married to someone who does. Could we expect those additional votes to carry us from 6.75% all the way to victory?

 

The only way I can see this working is if every FOID card holder got no less than 12 non-FOID card holders to commit to a supporting vote. If they all kept their committment then we'd attain 54% of the vote (I think we only need 50%, right?). Having eleven friends help us out with their vote won't cut it as we'll then only be at 49.5%, we would need committments from 12 OR MORE to win.

 

Anyone else have any thoughts or ideas about these election predictions or on how we could gather supporters to help us in the election booth?

The CCW issue will be put on the ballot on a county by county basis. We would like to see as many counties as possible get on board but time is running out. I know many people who do not have a gun in their homes nor do they have a FOID card but they will support the ballot initiative. I am proud of the progress that my county of Winnebago has been a leader in the rights of all of Illinois residents.

Failure will only come from not trying

[SirMatthew]

The CCW issue will be put on the ballot on a county by county basis. We would like to see as many counties as possible get on board but time is running out. I know many people who do not have a gun in their homes nor do they have a FOID card but they will support the ballot initiative. I am proud of the progress that my county of Winnebago has been a leader in the rights of all of Illinois residents.

Failure will only come from not trying

 

I think I can speak for all of us...we're all proud of Winnebago.

 

Your last statement pretty much sums it up and I agree. We gotta try.

 

Thanks!