Kipp Jones Posted November 14, 2007 at 01:31 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 01:31 AM I will be traveling to St. Louis and I am looking to take my Glock with to carry while in St. Louis. Could anyone share the do's and don'ts of flying out of O'Hare with the declarations process? I already have a special traveling case with a TSA lock. I have both the PA & NH permits. Also, anything I need to know while carrying in St. Louis? Thanks.
anonymous too Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:01 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:01 AM Call your airline and ask them for their specifics. When you get to the check-in tell them you are checking a firearm. The agent may need to call a supervisor because they don't know what to do. That's normal. Asking for a supervisor never hurts either. If you're in line and an agent walks by and asks if anyone needs assistance or has special needs, say yes I'm checking a firearm. I know someone who got taken to the front of the line! Get to the airport extra, extra early too(just in case). In general, guns must be unloaded, actions open(you will be showing them at check-in), ammo in a seperate case(your gun case and ammo can be in the same suitcase), and the tag they give you goes in the case. You will lock your case in front of them. Don't know if you should have it unlocked while you're checking-in. Ask. When you are showing your guns, some agents may look at them closely to see if they are unloaded, some don't. They may not want you to even touch them. Just go along with the agent. Remember, the tag goes in the case on domestic flights. Just a note. Airlines sometimes limit you to one handgun case and one long gun case. It seems they don't care how many guns are in a case. You are limited to how much ammunition you can transport(by weight). It may vary by airline. That's all I can think of. Dillon's catalog had an article about flying with firearms this month. The author didn't like having to stop in Chicago. Nobody gets hassled at O'Hare. You're "passing through".
panzermk2 Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:18 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:18 AM RANT ON Yeah I have one, As I fly up 5 times a WEEK. DON"t fly from O'Hare. It tops the list for stolen firearms and United is the worst. The theaving ******* handlers all have TSA keys so your locks aren't worth ****. I routinely have 200 to 500 dollars worth of TSA locked stuff stolen. If you make a stink they threaten to have you arrested and put you on the No-Fly list Why not drive? The drive will be shorter then flying. Yes I know 45 minute flight. But having to be there early for security and all, The insane delay rate at O'Scare and the time to collect you baggage I could leave from the United terminal after drooping you off and drive to St. Lo. arriving to pick you up from KC international before you arrive. If a car is an issue how long are you going to be down there? rent one if time permits. sorry for the rant but I spit on the airlines spend 1200.00 bucks for a last minute booking to Cinci and get treated worse then cattle on the way to slaughter RANT OFF
anonymous too Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:37 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:37 AM It tops the list for stolen firearms and United is the worst. I knew that and had forgotten about it. get treated worse then cattle on the way to slaughter I've been saying the airlines treat us like cattle for years. You wait in a chute to get herded into a waiting pen and then loaded onto a trailer! I won't fly anywhere in the lower 48. I'll drive. Unfortunately I'm going to Alaska before next spring. Guess I'll just insure my luggage.
Federal Farmer Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:48 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 04:48 AM It tops the list for stolen firearms and United is the worst. I knew that and had forgotten about it. get treated worse then cattle on the way to slaughter I've been saying the airlines treat us like cattle for years. You wait in a chute to get herded into a waiting pen and then loaded onto a trailer! I won't fly anywhere in the lower 48. I'll drive. Unfortunately I'm going to Alaska before next spring. Guess I'll just insure my luggage. You can drive to AK.
Ol'Coach Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:40 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:40 AM Unfortunately I'm going to Alaska before next spring. Guess I'll just insure my luggage. Hey, FST...I've always been told that if you go to Alaska, go in March (Spring?)...if the roads arent paved, they're frozen, and all tnat muc and stuff is no problem! When I travel I like to see what's between here and there....close up! Lot of beauty to be missed travelling by air!
anonymous too Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:44 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:44 AM You can drive to AK. It takes a week to drive there. I'm only staying for 3 or 4 days. Two weeks of driving for a couple days when a flight is like 7 hrs? The roads I would be travelling on are plowed year round. I'll make the drive once. When I finally move there. Taking my AR's and handguns right through Canada with me. Just gotta have the right paperwork!
Ol'Coach Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:56 AM Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:56 AM Have a great trip! I'm envious (but I'd drive ) Bramff, Lake Louise, the Canadian Rockies....Geez!
Kipp Jones Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:16 PM Author Posted November 14, 2007 at 05:16 PM RANT ON Yeah I have one, As I fly up 5 times a WEEK. DON"t fly from O'Hare. It tops the list for stolen firearms and United is the worst. The theaving ******* handlers all have TSA keys so your locks aren't worth ****. I routinely have 200 to 500 dollars worth of TSA locked stuff stolen. If you make a stink they threaten to have you arrested and put you on the No-Fly list Why not drive? The drive will be shorter then flying. Yes I know 45 minute flight. But having to be there early for security and all, The insane delay rate at O'Scare and the time to collect you baggage I could leave from the United terminal after drooping you off and drive to St. Lo. arriving to pick you up from KC international before you arrive. If a car is an issue how long are you going to be down there? rent one if time permits. sorry for the rant but I spit on the airlines spend 1200.00 bucks for a last minute booking to Cinci and get treated worse then cattle on the way to slaughter RANT OFF I would really like to bring my Glock with, how do I best go about hiding the gun in my luggage to best protect against theft?
mack69 Posted November 14, 2007 at 07:08 PM Posted November 14, 2007 at 07:08 PM Kipp Jones wrote:I would really like to bring my Glock with, how do I best go about hiding the gun in my luggage to best protect against theft? You can't hide your firearms...THEY HAVE TO BE DECLARED!I have flown numerous times out of OHare and had no troubles at all and I was on United. I told the cattle chute operator that I had firearms to declare and he took me over to a small check in area away from the wall to wall of "regular" passengers. I dealt with the manger in charge of the Airline who ran me through a bit of paperwork then she handed me off to the TSA. The TSA gang did seem a bit confused over what to do but I had the TSA and Airline rules and regs available (and helped them through it). I have heard about the theivery going on at OHare though. I'd definitely take out insurance though just to be safe.
panzermk2 Posted November 14, 2007 at 07:40 PM Posted November 14, 2007 at 07:40 PM The times I have flown with them I printed out the TSA's regs and Uniteds. This will make you scream! The last time I flew with a firearm I declared it to the chute operator. This dipstick handed me the form to fill out to carry on my person on the plane!!!!!!!! I told her I did not understand the form. meaning thats not what I meant about declaring. The dipstick said "don't worry just sign it I will fill it out and you show it to the TSA to get on board". At this time I demanded to speak to a TSA rep before things got even worse
armueller2001 Posted November 14, 2007 at 08:33 PM Posted November 14, 2007 at 08:33 PM OMG!!! You have a gun?? Why, are you trying to like hijack the plane or something?? Guns are soooo scary!! What if its in your luggage and goes off and kills everyone!!!!1111 LOLZ
Kipp Jones Posted November 15, 2007 at 02:58 AM Author Posted November 15, 2007 at 02:58 AM All I am looking to do is not break any laws, avoid confrontation and keep my weapon safe from theft. Does the airline offer theft insurance upon declaring?
anonymous too Posted November 15, 2007 at 06:48 AM Posted November 15, 2007 at 06:48 AM Call United and ask them what their rules are. Here's what their website says: http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,1035,00.htmlFirearms Federal regulations require that firearms in checked baggage or in their own shipping case be unloaded and declared. Firearms are not allowed in carry-on bags. Firearms in checked baggage must be packed in a locked hard-sided bag or gun case. A maximum of 11 lbs. of small arms ammunition is allowed in checked luggage in the original manufacturer's box or securely packed in a fiber, wood, or metal box to prevent movement of cartridges. Here's the TSA's info. http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/a**...orial_1666.shtmYou may only transport firearms, ammunition and firearm parts in your checked baggage. Firearms, ammunition and firearm parts are prohibited from carry-on baggage. There are certain limited exceptions for law enforcement officers who may fly armed by meeting the requirements of Title 49 CFR § 1544.219. Law enforcement officers should read our policies on traveling with guns. The key regulatory requirements to transporting firearms, firearm parts or ammunition in checked baggage are:You must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process. The firearm must be unloaded. The firearm must be in a hard-sided container. The container must be locked. We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain present during screening to take the key back after the container is cleared. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft. You must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition. You can't use firearm magazines/clips for packing ammunition unless they completely and securely enclose the ammunition (e.g., by securely covering the exposed portions of the magazine or by securely placing the magazine in a pouch, holder, holster or lanyard). You may carry the ammunition in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as you pack it as described above. You can't bring black powder or percussion caps used with black-powder type firearms in either your carry-on or checked baggage. We and other authorities strictly enforce these regulations. Violations can result in criminal prosecution and civil penalties of up to $10,000 per violation. Airlines may have their own additional requirements on the carriage of firearms and the amount of ammunition that you may have in your checked baggage. Therefore, travelers should also contact the airline regarding its firearm and ammunition carriage policies. Also, please note that many other countries have different laws that address transportation and possession of firearms. If you are traveling internationally, please check with the authorities at your destination about their requirements.
gunnmen01 Posted January 9, 2008 at 09:45 PM Posted January 9, 2008 at 09:45 PM I flew once with a pistol, 2 years before 9/11 so that wasnt an issue. I declared my firearm in my luggage, the laddy asked if i wanted to carry it with me, told her i wasnt a leo...she said ok and asked me again if i wanted to carry it with me. So i told her yeah i would like to carry it with me...then shes asks to see my badge ( ) told her a second time i wasnt leo.... then she looks at me like its my fault and infirms me that non-leo cant carry on the plane> told her i knew that but since she had offered...TWICE....she dint like that answer. So i go on vacation, coming home i declare it and have no problems this time, pick up my luggage and pistol case I find one of the little slide locks completely broken off and the second one most of the way broken off and my pistol is moved from the velcro strap holding in the middle of the case, all the way over to the side where the slide lock was broken off. So after coming that close to having mine stolen from an airport ill never fly with one again. Next time i go to Tx. to see my bro ill carry one of his for 2 weeks..... gunnmen01
GarandFan Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM Posted January 10, 2008 at 12:03 AM Kipp: Print off a copy of the attached. Recommend you ask United about their policies (or get on the web and print what they have). You should not have to, but you ought to arrive prepared to educate them on the law. Once they are done inspecting your handgun (and case), just bury it somewhere in one of your checked items. There is no tag on your checked bag that says "handgun inside." I know of thefts that have occurred...but it happens with more than firearms. The probability is low. Just go ahead. It's your right. Tell them how it is. MO carry summary:http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/MOSL.pdf Missouri has total state-wide preemption for firearms, their "castle doctrine" is in effect, etc. You can't carry in the usual places... but also can't on buses (go figure) nor in arenas seating 5000 or more.FAA_and_TSA_regulations___traveling_with_firearm_s__07jan08.pdf
Suburbangunslinger Posted January 10, 2008 at 02:49 PM Posted January 10, 2008 at 02:49 PM I wonder if they'd let you take it with your carry on in a unloaded,disassembled state. I don't like O'Hare because everytime we drop my Dad off there for business trips I always wonder if Daley himself is personally checking the baggage.
GarandFan Posted January 10, 2008 at 03:53 PM Posted January 10, 2008 at 03:53 PM I wonder if they'd let you take it with your carry on in a unloaded,disassembled state. Are you being serious? Absolutely not.
Suburbangunslinger Posted January 10, 2008 at 04:20 PM Posted January 10, 2008 at 04:20 PM Well I bet they'll have the same useless law applied when people start traveling via teleport!
GarandFan Posted January 10, 2008 at 04:21 PM Posted January 10, 2008 at 04:21 PM ... when people start traveling via teleport! Probably, but frankly, that's the least of our worries.
Molly B. Posted January 10, 2008 at 08:53 PM Posted January 10, 2008 at 08:53 PM Well I bet they'll have the same useless law applied when people start traveling via teleport!We'll have phasers by then!
Kipp Jones Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:15 PM Author Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:15 PM Kipp: Print off a copy of the attached. Recommend you ask United about their policies (or get on the web and print what they have). You should not have to, but you ought to arrive prepared to educate them on the law. Once they are done inspecting your handgun (and case), just bury it somewhere in one of your checked items. There is no tag on your checked bag that says "handgun inside." I know of thefts that have occurred...but it happens with more than firearms. The probability is low. Just go ahead. It's your right. Tell them how it is. MO carry summary:http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/MOSL.pdf Missouri has total state-wide preemption for firearms, their "castle doctrine" is in effect, etc. You can't carry in the usual places... but also can't on buses (go figure) nor in arenas seating 5000 or more. GF, Thanks. I never ended up traveling due to getting ill on the days I was supposed to go. I will be flying on American in a few weeks so I will go prepared. Any restrictions on the ammo I plan to bring with? I would like to bring about 50 rounds.
GarandFan Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:43 PM Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:43 PM GF, Thanks. I never ended up traveling due to getting ill on the days I was supposed to go. I will be flying on American in a few weeks so I will go prepared. Any restrictions on the ammo I plan to bring with? I would like to bring about 50 rounds. Take it. 50 rounds is plenty reasonable. To avoid hassles, bring it in a factory ammo box (doesn't have to be original box). Technically it's legal to carry loaded magazines but some have reported being hassled over this.
mack69 Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:52 PM Posted January 11, 2008 at 06:52 PM I've done this frequently...in fact a few weeks ago for a job interview in New Hampshire. I have not had any issues. Make sure the ammo is in a factory box (preferred) and do not load the magazines. The other thing I have done is to have the handgun in a small case then stuff it inside your larger luggage.
panzermk2 Posted January 12, 2008 at 06:38 PM Posted January 12, 2008 at 06:38 PM I've done this frequently...in fact a few weeks ago for a job interview in New Hampshire. Vutek?
panzermk2 Posted January 14, 2008 at 03:55 AM Posted January 14, 2008 at 03:55 AM a big employer in NH and one that would keep you here and not have to relocate. Just thought
mack69 Posted January 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM Posted January 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM They are some kind of printer manufacturer or something like that aren't they? Might have to check them out too....
panzermk2 Posted January 15, 2008 at 03:01 AM Posted January 15, 2008 at 03:01 AM I used to work for them, thay have gone into the sh!tter don't waste your time
mack69 Posted January 15, 2008 at 07:59 PM Posted January 15, 2008 at 07:59 PM Thanks for the heads up...
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